what are your thoughts?
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what are your thoughts?
Unless you have a decade or so of experience I recommend leaving DIN setting decisions to your local ski shop pro or ski team tech. That said, I am pretty certain that competitive skiers do set their DIN differently on skis specialized for different disciplines.
Well, every time I've been to a shop they simply would not say anything about "what type of skier I am", so my question was more towards "should I say I'm a type 3+ skier" if I plan to do more crazy stuff with a pair of powder ski and still have a type 3 setting on an all mountain ski that I will not likely attempt the same kinda stuff I would do with bigger sticks?
Or should I just look for another shop?
I set my bindings just low enough so they won't hurt me when the come off unintentionally and leave them there for all my skiing. That setting works out to about 3+ on the DIN chart. I'm just as likely to risk pre-release by hitting a rough patch at speed or skiing over a bump and landing hard with an immediate need to hamer a turn at high speed on a groomer as I am to jar them loose in an ungroomed forest or bump field, and if they come off at that setting, then they should have come off. If deep snow is making your bindings come off more often, you need to work on some skills; skis need to be pushing your feet, not feet pulling the skis.
In years past, long ago, I did set the bindings at a higer DIN setting for insane speed skiing, and still would, but I don't ski like that any more.
that would be more like for landings, I started to attempt higher jumps and jump off of higher stuff and I eventually release my skis when landing, and most of the time I really didn't want to... I'm thinking I will be more tempted to do that when there is fresh snow since the landing if much more smooth and the skis are bigger, more stable! Not really that my skis are being swallowed by pow!
Long story short... this is my second season skiing, I started using the same din I had last year on my first year as a type two 5.5, skied a few times and I was releasing the skis all over the mountain... went back to the shop and said I was type 3 DIN 6.5, fixed the problem most of the time but sometimes bindings will release if landing hard of a little off balance, not bothering me so far, because this is not very often... but now towards the end of the season I'm trying crazier stuff, so I thought maybe I should set them as a type 3+
This would basically put my DIN range from 6.5 on the all mountain ski, to 8 on the powder ski! There were at least a couple times that I released right after landing and was really pissed off because I had full control! I had a POV, will try to upload later
I will still try to talk to the tech at the shop, unless you guys think this is a stupid idea and I should be the same type of skier no matter which ski or terrain I'm skiing!
I can easily see how skiing rutted runs at speed, landing jumps and otherwise skiing hard and fast in the rough could cause bindings to pop off too readily at a setting of 2 or 3; that's why mine are set to 3+. If you usually ski sedately on well groomed trails, and mind your spill zone (so you're not skiing into someone if you loose a ski or double eject, then there is nothing wrong with setting them at 2 for that skiing either, imo. The only problem with changing the settings is one day you might forget to reset it.
There is a price to pay for the higher setting. The last time I lost a ski. the heel released when I skied through an unseen hole (water spring rising up covered by new snow) at about 40 mph and the ski stayed put. My knee was a little tender for about a week. I had to be carefull kicking off my boots.
On the other hand there is a plus side to 3+ (which is DIN8) for me. The last time I went skiing, I had to zig instead of zag when a fellow skier encroached upon my intended line. He wasn't ahead, and I wasn't ahead. I could have stopped and let him by, but I hate slowing down unecessarily. There was no problem that I foresaw, as I had been down the run before and knew that the roller ahead of me would have me back on the snow well before the trees. What I hadn't counted on was some boarders had belt a kicker right at the crest of the roller (which they had been hitting from the side of the run) that I wasn't expecting and didn't see until the last second. It was a nice little kicker for folks started from nearby and getting up to 15 mph, it was a launch pad for someone suddenly changing direcection and hitting it unexpectedly at about 45 mph. I landed hard a little on the tail of one ski and had to make a hard right, so also a little on one edge. If you have ever watched the Disney cartoon with Goofey learning to ski, that is what it looked like. The ski stayed on, though, and I pulled myself back into position and carried on. If I had turned the bindings down to 2.5 level skier (say DIN 6) , that ski would have come off, and I would have been doing some unitnentional very tight tree skiing on one ski, possibly ending unpleasantly.
How one shop explained it to me, and perspective that I agree with, is the DIN Skier type has a nuance that it is not an indication of skill, but of skiing style and how you intend to ski.
So it should be interpreted as how "aggressive" you intend to ski on those skis, rather then beginner/int/advanced in skill level.
So even an athletic skier coming from another sport, may say: "I'm extremely aggressive, I have quads of steel and am going to legpress the hell out of these skis, set me up as 3", even though skill wise they may only be an intermediate skier.
here the kinda thing I'm trying to avoid by going 3+ instead of 3, might look a little shaky but I was just skiing out after a pretty easy jump and it released after hitting some ice or crust... can't remember
you can see my left ski stuck in the snow when I look back to my friend, but it really didn't get stuck at the time, it simply released! :-(
I see some diverging skis in the video, even before the release. One edge digs in and the ski wants to go one way, the other ski wants to go the other way; they fight. Possible results include ski release, skier injury, or you are strong enough to overpower the skis without injury. I would recommend that you wait until you have had a number of "pre-releases" and incidents where one ski comes off, but the other ski stays on before you up the DIN setting beyond 3. Do not base it on just a few falls; there are lots of ways to fall, and it could just be you felll and the ski stayed on, but the direction of force wasn't the one that could hurt. IN a fall, it is the ski that doesn't release but let's you feel the force that tells you how much force the binding can transmit to your foot (and knee, and leg, and...), not the ski that comes off. For example in the case where I skied through the hole, the binding that released gave me no pain/injury whatsoever, and the ski that stayed on was on the knee that was sore for a while Maybe it was the sudden shock loading of the "stop" from the hole, or maybe it got twisted as I made the effort to fall on the side that didn't (until then) have an injured shoulder.
If I have a shop mount my gear, I fill out my height/weight/skier type/age. I always mark my skier type as "3+" and then in great big, bold letters write "REQUEST TOES SET AT 11, HEELS AT 12". And then I sign beside that statement.
I've never had any issues with shops miss-mounting my bindings.
I have never had a pre-release, but I did double eject while tomahawking down a groomer after hooking an edge last month. That hurt.