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post #1 of 22
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My home resort--Sugar Bowl in the Tahoe region--just starting selling their 13/14 season passes and making announcements about changes for next year. Here are some key changes:

 

1) Season pass prices are going down -- least expensive adult pass is their midweek pass priced at $299 (I think it was $379 last year). I'll use points from their loyalty program to get an additional $50 off my pass for next year.

 

2) They are putting in a new lift this summer. I'm excited about this because there is a section of the mountain with great terrain but currently requires a long traverse over and a long traverse back. For those of you who know Sugar Bowl, the new lift will be over in the Strawberry Fields area.

 

3) No more free lessons and free rentals on "General Admission" days. I'm bummed about this one because it was a great program that no other Tahoe resorts have (that I know of). On most weekdays throughout the season you could get free 2-hour group lessons and free rental gear with the purchase of your lift ticket. Kids aged 4-12 could get the free lessons if they had a season pass. It seems Sugar Bowl is trying to be more price competitive now rather than offering this unique service. I was able to use this feature to convince a number of people to try out Sugar Bowl during the past few years. I hope the change works for them, but I will greatly miss the program (I put my kids in quite a few lessons this year).

 

What about your resort? Season pass prices going up, down or staying the same? Any new lifts or other changes?

post #2 of 22

Massanutten is a little place in northern VA.  They are working to automate more of their snow guns, especially on the lower mountain.  That way they can get in an hour or two of snowmaking overnight to keep the green and lower blue trails in great shape.  About 20 automated so far, out of 250 guns of varying types.

 

Can't count on a 22 inch snowfall in March every year. wink.gif

post #3 of 22

For Alta/Snowbird, being part of the Mountain Collective is new for sure.

post #4 of 22

WB will be taking the Harmony lift and transplanting it to become the Crystal Chair, starting quite a bit further down the mountain.

 

Harmony will become a six pack, to make it more of a cluster at the top, and getting people over to Symphony faster to chew up freshies.

post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

 

Harmony will become a six pack, to make it more of a cluster at the top, and getting people over to Symphony faster to chew up freshies.

I am sure there a bunch of people not happy about Sugar Bowl putting a chairlift in an area that usually kept freshies for days after a storm due to the inconvenient access. I suppose that is one of the downsides of increasing lift access, but in the case of Sugar Bowl it is surely affecting a very small group negatively while positively affecting the vast majority who will now have easy access to some great terrain.

 

There have been some popular threads about the evolving ski industry (pricing itself out of the market, etc.). My goal for this thread was to get a more comprehensive picture of what resorts are promoting as changes/improvements for next season. I found it interesting that my resort is investing in lift access, reducing season pass prices and reducing their investment in ski/snowboard lessons. These seem like good improvements for the experienced skier but are to the detriment of the newer skier who is not yet committed to the sport.

post #6 of 22

Bridger is going to replace the old single post double, Alpine, with two triples.  One will go up a little higher than Alpine and serve blue/black terrain.  From the map that includes the Three Bears.  The other will go farther out to the edge of the ski area and serve green/blue terrain.

 

Will certainly make Bridger and even better place for beginners and intermediates.  Have mixed feelings about it being easier for advanced/experts to get to the trees over there. wink.gif

post #7 of 22

Stevens Pass (has been my home mountain this season) is replacing one of the chairs on the back side.  Will be faster and open up a little moer lift serviced terrain.  They are also glading out some more of the trees back there.  More is a good thing in this case.

post #8 of 22
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Stevens Pass (has been my home mountain this season) is replacing one of the chairs on the back side.  Will be faster and open up a little moer lift serviced terrain.  They are also glading out some more of the trees back there.  More is a good thing in this case.

 

IMO it is a waste of 4 million bucks. No terrain added (or if there is - how they'd do it eludes me). Yet they have been pleading poverty and making all sorts of other fabricated excuses for shutting down lifts left and right on weekdays. There have been a ton of very nice days they've closed all upper mountain lifts by 11:30 AM (and IIRC, sometimes not opened them at all). And in the spring - it has been a game of lift roulette.

 

The glading is a negative IMO. All those trees make for great skiing and a wonderful esthetic. 

 

Rather than the big spend on upgrading Jupiter, which for all purposes never has a line, and glading for no great purpose in my mind - they should stop cluttering most of the front side with stupidly expensive and space consumptive park features and race courses. Then they could have the money to keep the entire mountain open weekdays. And stop cramming regular skiers and riders onto a fraction of the mountain. I'm great with some sane amount of park and some level of race stuff -- but IMO the new management has been totally nuts about these, to the detriment of the vast majority of their customers.

 

I'd pay double the current pass price for a better managed mountain. Sadly, instead, the model seems to be to charge bare bones prices and cut services to the point where it is unclear that weekday skiing there will make sense. No bargain at all in the end IMO.

post #9 of 22

I agree with most of spindrift's analysis.  However, by making Jupiter a high speed lift it will allow yo-yo action over there that really wasn't practical before because the chair is so long for the vertical.  Not worth the reduction in service over the rest of the area or the blocking off of large portions of the hill, but it's at least something.

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

Bridger is going to replace the old single post double, Alpine, with two triples.  One will go up a little higher than Alpine and serve blue/black terrain.  From the map that includes the Three Bears.  The other will go farther out to the edge of the ski area and serve green/blue terrain.

Will certainly make Bridger and even better place for beginners and intermediates.  Have mixed feelings about it being easier for advanced/experts to get to the trees over there. wink.gif

Mt Spokane bought that double chair for 2014. Hope they got a good deal, because they are going out to disassemble it themselves this summer.
post #11 of 22
Well, there is proposal to add another lift on the back side, opening up the Flower Point area to other than just hikers. Unfortunately, it will make Window Pane and Stumptown more accessible as well.
http://skiwhitefish.com/future_projects.php

There is not a lot of vertical or acreage back there, so it means losing untouched powder stashes for those who worked for them. It may mean easier access to the out of bounds Canyon Creek area as well, possibly increasing back country incidents.
post #12 of 22

Sun Peaks will be cutting runs on the Mt. Moressey north face. It has the best timber values on the mountain and lumber prices are good right now. I'm not exactly sure were the runs will be, but it will either be steep or very, very steep. The operations manage told me that SP is tired of being know as just a family/intermediate mountain (85 runs or 58% of the mountain is intermediate, 32% advanced).

 

If true to form, a chairlift will follow in a year or two after they have pulled every stump, picked rocks and planted grass, so it may be next to impossible to do laps for a few years.

post #13 of 22

As mentioned above, Whistler has some big plans in the works. For anyone who's familiar with the WB long-term master plan, it will be more interesting to see if they continue moving forward from here. Upgrading and moving existing lifts isn't as big a deal as putting in completely new ones in new zones. And yes, it's all going to be a double-edged sword: decreased lines vs. early track out.

 

Baker, in contrast, doesn't seem to be planning anything. And being perfectly situated between Whistler and Baker, hopefully that means I get the best of both worlds. :)

post #14 of 22

Sigh. Yeah, you can put me down as lamenting a new chair at Sugar Bowl. A wonderful stash of long-lasting freshies for those willing to work a little, despoiled :-(. 

post #15 of 22

Crystal Chair will be replaced with a new high speed = Crystal is on Blackcomb. Harmony is on Whistler. So there will be 2 fantastic new lifts added to the resort! Not just one. 

post #16 of 22

Red Mt., Rossland B.C., will be adding a chairlift to the former hike to side country on Mt. Grey. A trip there with a following TR is a definite for me for next January.

post #17 of 22

I'm pretty interested to see how being on the Epic Pass impacts little ole Eldora. It already seems like they have really stepped up their pass scanning on the backside lifts, so maybe things are already changing. I guess I ought to have seen this coming. They put in sweet but really pricey lockers in the lodge this season, so that was really the first shot across the bow that things were changing significantly. I'm probably in a very small group of people paying attention to this, but I'm curious nonetheless.

post #18 of 22

I think Heavenly will have omelettes: self serve the ingredients, hand it to the chef, and presto: instant meal.

post #19 of 22

Lift 4 Mid Vail Express will be a 6 pack next season.  More up hill at mid mountain can only help .Especially with a 10 seat gondi unloading at mid mountain . Most skier take Chair 4 to the top

post #20 of 22
At Wolf Creek, the venerable Treasure triple will be replaced with a high speed quad as the first step towards Wolf's really, really ambitious expansion plans. One name being tossed around for the new chair is "Treasure Stoke."

The existing Treasure Chair, a 1983 vintage CTEC, will be retrofitted for modern safety requirments and installed as the Elma lift, running from the base of the Alberta lift up to Summer Day trail skirting the North side of the Waterfall area. This is not expected to happen until at least next year because it needs an environmental assesment. This new alignment will eliminate the long traverse out of the Alberta area back to the base area.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Well, there is proposal to add another lift on the back side, opening up the Flower Point area to other than just hikers. Unfortunately, it will make Window Pane and Stumptown more accessible as well.
http://skiwhitefish.com/future_projects.php

There is not a lot of vertical or acreage back there, so it means losing untouched powder stashes for those who worked for them. It may mean easier access to the out of bounds Canyon Creek area as well, possibly increasing back country incidents.

An update. Although trails are being cut and tower bases installed, the lift will not be completed for the 13-14 season. The project will add acreage in the sense that a portion of the permitted, but not "inbounds" terrain will become "inbounds", so patrolled. Initially I thought, "Meh, 200 acres," until I realized it was more than the total size of where I used to ski back East.. The vertical of the lift will only be 800 feet and for many, it's not adding any terrain because the area was already available for those who were hiking to Flower Point. It will add acreage to the general ski population for a part of the mountain with higher quality snow, making early season skiing a tad less of a snooze.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sharoski View Post

Crystal Chair will be replaced with a new high speed = Crystal is on Blackcomb. Harmony is on Whistler. So there will be 2 fantastic new lifts added to the resort! Not just one. 

 

Harmony is only changing the 4 person chairs to 6 person chairs - same location, so calling is a fantastic new lift is a bit much.

 

Here's where they were digging out the bottom of the new Crystal lift last weekend:

 

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

 

Harmony Chair blurb:

 

 

More about the new Crystal chair.

 

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