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What's a good ski for exams?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello epic skiers
In the process of preparing for a CSIA L3 exam I find myself struggling what ski to train with and/or to use for the exam. This is what I have to choose from: 2007 Apache Recon 168, 2010 Atomic D2 VF 82 in 166 and 2012 Firearrow 74 Edt in 164. I'm 5.7' with 170 pounds. While the old Recons help me to maintain longer runs with smoother and more fluid lines in the bumps, they take away the rebound and energy in short and dynamic turns the other two skis have. The Atomic and more so the Firearrows make the bumps much more brutal and jerky. What are your thoughts on training with a stiffer ski in the bumps. Will it get smoother by adapting technique over time. Should I sacrifice the dynamic of the stiffer ski and use a softer ski for all exam categories? Thanks for any comments in advance.
post #2 of 17

This might not be the answer you're looking for, but of those that you mentioned, which is your favorite pair of skis? Which one would you through in the car without a second thought if you had no idea what you were going to be doing on the hill on a particular day? In the end, ski the ski that you feel the most comfortable on doing the skiing and tasks you need to do for your exams. You know how you ski and how you need to ski. Go with your gut. 

post #3 of 17

....if you're going for L3, ski choice shouldn't matter, 

post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post

....if you're going for L3, ski choice shouldn't matter, 

 

It does to a degree... I certainly wouldn't show up in my powder skis for an exam, but I wouldn't worry about the differences between something like an E-98, blizzard 8.5ti, MX-88, Head Rev pro 85 and the like...smile.gif

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments. I will go with the Atomics as they offer the best of both worlds being softer to begin with and progressively stiffen with bend when engaging the moveable titanium top layer. I'm still wondering though, if there would be a benefit in training to using a stiffer ski (firearrow edt) and trying to adapt/compensate with a more supple approach as a means of refining technique. E.g. the ski will let you know every time you are "off the sweet spot"
post #6 of 17

Just a thought... For example, the FireArrow 84 EDT is a great ski, amazing edge hold, etc.... It's a better hard piste ski than my daily ride, the Rossi E-98. As good as they are though, The E-98 (speaking only for myself) is a more versatile and easier to ski all around'er for our area of the world.  Why? Probably because I have MUCH more time on the E-98 than the FA 84 EDT and I'm just used to it... 'strap it on and forget about it' familiar regardless of the conditions I might find at the hill.  YMM and probably will V. All that said, I'd ask you're TD or other people you've been working with while preparing for your exam their thoughts as they're the most familiar with your skiing.

post #7 of 17
L3? Wow.
If you have to ask, you're not ready.
post #8 of 17
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L3? Wow.
If you have to ask, you're not ready.

 

 

I was almost tempted to say the same, but I'm sure it's more just a case of the willies than anything else. 

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by trees View Post

L3? Wow.
If you have to ask, you're not ready.

 

Nonsense, the OP has a legitimate question & Markojp gave him a legit answer in post #2.

 

Go with the skis you are most comfortable on...  & don't tune them the night before!

 

Good luck,

 

JF

post #10 of 17

On the level 3, you must pass the bumps run, intermediate parallel, and either advanced parallel or short radius. Also your average score must be a 6.

 

My strategy when I take this exam (maybe end of season at Whistler, maybe not) is to use whatever will enable me to pass the bump run. For me this will be a 75mm groomer ski (which I'm comfortable skiing in bumps). One of my friends passed on an SL ski. Another used a much more noodly ski. Lots of people have not passed on all types of skis. I would definitely touch up my edges if there's going to be hardpack (and at this time of year there almost always is in the morning). 

 

Good luck!

post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Just a thought... For example, the FireArrow 84 EDT is a great ski, amazing edge hold, etc.... It's a better hard piste ski than my daily ride, the Rossi E-98. As good as they are though, The E-98 (speaking only for myself) is a more versatile and easier to ski all around'er for our area of the world.  Why? Probably because I have MUCH more time on the E-98 than the FA 84 EDT and I'm just used to it... 'strap it on and forget about it' familiar regardless of the conditions I might find at the hill.  YMM and probably will V. All that said, I'd ask you're TD or other people you've been working with while preparing for your exam their thoughts as they're the most familiar with your skiing.

 

quoted for truth.

 

I passed L3 on a 179cm 85 mm ski with 21 meter sidecut

 

I won the skiing tryout at DCL on a 177cm 98mm 17 meter ski with full rocker.

 

both were full twin tips

 

Its about movements, if you can do the movements on whatever ski your on, you aregolden.

 

If you shapen your edges make sure you de tune them so they are not grabby.

post #12 of 17
Yeah, because passing is all about what ski you're on.
If you haven't figured this shit out by now at this level then, well, good luck.
post #13 of 17
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Yeah, because passing is all about what ski you're on.

 

The OP never claimed to expect to pass because of his/her ski. Obviously there's a skiing standard that one needs to meet to pass. For the OP it's more a case of choosing gear that won't interfere with his/her skills. 

 

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Originally Posted by gladerunner View Post

Hello epic skiers
In the process of preparing for a CSIA L3 exam I find myself struggling what ski to train with and/or to use for the exam. This is what I have to choose from: 2007 Apache Recon 168, 2010 Atomic D2 VF 82 in 166 and 2012 Firearrow 74 Edt in 164. I'm 5.7' with 170 pounds. While the old Recons help me to maintain longer runs with smoother and more fluid lines in the bumps, they take away the rebound and energy in short and dynamic turns the other two skis have. The Atomic and more so the Firearrows make the bumps much more brutal and jerky. What are your thoughts on training with a stiffer ski in the bumps. Will it get smoother by adapting technique over time. Should I sacrifice the dynamic of the stiffer ski and use a softer ski for all exam categories? Thanks for any comments in advance.

 

In re-reading your post, I wonder if your 2007 ski might be a great ski for you but it's noodled out? I would seek out a level 3 course conductor to assess your skiing on your gear and give you feedback tailored to your unique circumstances. No point in burning $250+ on an exam if you won't pass it. Apparently only 3 of the last 50+ people passed the exam at Whistler, and two of those already had half passes going into it. Similar situation a year ago at the end of April exam. 

post #14 of 17
Okay. Then why ask what ski for an exam? I assumed it was to pass.
You would think one would know by this stage what works?!

That said, ski on whatever doesn't interfere with your skills op. There is no magic ski.
Also, it's not brain surgery, it's just skiing. Don't take it or me very seriously.
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for all the comments. I'll be more careful with my subject line next time, since some seemed to just read that and answer it right away. Sorry about repeating myself, the conundrum was, is there a benefit of using a very unforgiving stiff ski for training. I was toying with the thought that it will let you know right a way when you're off. Like staying in balance with open buckles, doing Kung Fu blindfolded etc. & whatever crazy things people do to enhance their training. Since posting this question, I have tried to use a super stiff ski in hard, frozen bumps. It was brutal and certainly encouraged me to work on smoothing out technique, but slowed down my skiing. So, I'm not sure of the benefit just yet. I have skied with a lot of examiners who only use close to FIS standard slalom skis (Rossi SL 9?) and most of them complained about back pain, but for some reason could not let go of a stiff ski. I have never figured out if it was for the challenge or if they were afraid to ask for or ski a softer ski. They were all sponsored btw. Don't want to name names here, they are all well known interski demo team members. My local TD is skiing an all mountain ski, no slalom skis. Thanks again to everyone who answered in a constructive manner.
post #16 of 17
As a lowly L1, I would test on the ski on which you expect to teach.
post #17 of 17

I would reiterate, If you havn't figured it out by now......Pick the ski you are most comfortable on, the ones in the best shape.

It depends on where and when you are taking exams.  Match your ski to the conditions. 

Go talk to a CC or examiner.  I bet they won't be telling you that you will ski better on this ski or that ski, they will tell you something about the way you are skiing!

 

My $0.02 worth.....ymmv

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