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Help me choose: Moment Bibby Pro vs Moment Deathwish vs Praxis Concept vs Line Opus

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Thread Starter 

Looking for a ski similar to the Armada JJ (demo'd) but a bit more of a charger (not much), better in crud and variable and equally as good in pow and groomers.

 

I have a pure groomer ski so I am good there.  This will be in addition to that (Prophet 98).  Digging the Praxis Concept (like the Protest as well - but I don't get a ton of pure pow days - more variable, tree and crud).  The Deathwish seems similar to the Concept - interesting.  Demo'd the Opus - liked it as well.  Love what I am hearing and reading on the Bibby Pro.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

6' tall and 215 pounds.  Intermediate/Advanced.  Ski in Northwest (Schweitzer Mountain & the BC's)

post #2 of 15

Hi Prophet,

 

I think you may like the Bibby's. I tried a pair in 184's, but didn't keep them, they were a bit too stiff for me, but I'm only 5'9 and 165lbs, and I like a softer ski. That said, it skied fine and is definitely a charger. Very good ski.

 

The others, I don't have any experience with, but I'm looking at a Praxis GPO as a possible fun independent ski for me, we'll see if I pull the trigger. 

Enjoy!

post #3 of 15

Blister does good reviews - here's the comparison you want: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/moment-deathwish-vs-praxis-concept

 

I can't speak to the Praxis/Moment comparison. Like I said, I generally like Blister's reviews. However, in contrast to the reviewer, I will say that at 210 to 220 pounds, depending, I have never ever had a tip dive issue with the 187 Concepts. Never sen anyone else have a tip dive issue either. 

 

If you want charge-y and predictable and really sure footed in crud, the GPO is another serious contender. 

post #4 of 15

The Bibby Pro is an awesome crud and powder ski and is a real charger.  I am on the 190.

post #5 of 15

the line opus is very different than the skis you have listed.

 

if you demo'd and loved the opus, consider that.  but is not a charger ski at all.  neither is the JJ.  i dunno man, the rest of the skis on the list are much more substantial that the stuff you have tried and seemingly liked.

 

just for what its worth. 

post #6 of 15

I just bought a pair of overstock 11/12 Praxis Concepts for possibly a similar reason to the OP: a more versatile alternative to my Rossi S7, which I generally like in most conditions but find a bit hard going in really chopped-up, tracked out heavy snow. I haven't had a chance to try them out yet, and I certainly haven't tried any of the others mentioned, although just from reading blistergear's reviews, the Bibby Pro sounds a lot stiffer (and less manoeuvrable when the going gets tight) than I'd want. I haven't quite got the height and weight advantage of the OP, and probably lack in aggression as well. I like blistergear's description of the Concepts being a ski that do most things really well, though it does sound like you need to get to know them.

 

Spindrift, I'm glad to hear you haven't had any tip dive issues with your Concepts -- did you mount bindings 1cm back from the dot? The manufacturer, Keith, suggested I do this, saying the recommended point was a forward mounting suggestion (since I'm not planning to get airborne or ski backwards any time soon). I'd quite like to get it right the first time: don't really like the idea of putting lots of holes in my skis. On the other hand, I also don't want that manouevrability to suffer.

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the line opus is very different than the skis you have listed.

 

if you demo'd and loved the opus, consider that.  but is not a charger ski at all.  neither is the JJ.  i dunno man, the rest of the skis on the list are much more substantial that the stuff you have tried and seemingly liked.

 

just for what its worth. 

I agree! Opus will be very different than the others you listed. I've demo'd the Opus and JJ and they were easy going for me, and I'm 5'5" / 150. You certainly have more power to drive stiffer skis like the Bibby. Maybe the Concepts would be a good compromise.

 

I found the Opus to be a great ski but didn't like how it skis on variable conditions and more firm chopped snow. FWIW I'm considering Influence 115 and Rocker2 115 now.

 

It would be great if you could get a demo on at least one pair of stiff skis, so you can kinda get a feel of how they differ from the JJ or Opus. But another thing is that you ski the Prophet 98, I also ski the P98 and I find it to be really easy to ski and not as stable on variable conditions as well, prefers soft snow than crud, so the case might be that you enjoy soft skis, so you just need to probably go for the bigger sizes like 192 Opus.


Edited by mfa81 - 3/26/13 at 9:13am
post #8 of 15

Yep, agreeing that the Opus is not really what you're looking for. It's pretty much a stouter SFB, definitely more of a powder ski than a crud charger ski. I would add the Influence 115 to you're list instead.

 

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Yep, agreeing that the Opus is not really what you're looking for. It's pretty much a stouter SFB, definitely more of a powder ski than a crud charger ski. I would add the Influence 115 to you're list instead.

 

This orange top sheet is just sick! Really cool!

post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  I think you are correct - I like my P98 for all mountain - good in all - not great in any.  But true un-tracked powder is always scarce but crud and chop is always easy to find.  I think the Opus would be great in the pure pow but I need a ski that is better than my P98 in pow, crud and chop.
 

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Spindrift, I'm glad to hear you haven't had any tip dive issues with your Concepts -- did you mount bindings 1cm back from the dot? The manufacturer, Keith, suggested I do this, saying the recommended point was a forward mounting suggestion (since I'm not planning to get airborne or ski backwards any time soon). I'd quite like to get it right the first time: don't really like the idea of putting lots of holes in my skis. On the other hand, I also don't want that manouevrability to suffer.

 

Mine are on the mark. However, they are also 187s so that may not say much about the 177s. In addition, the mark may have been moved a tiny bit (on any given size)  over the life of the ski as more feedback rolled in for fine tuning. Keith certainly knows his skis. OTOH, he has the dilemma of dealing with two distinct preferences. Folks used to skiing "old school" or "racer style" tend to like to be back a bit. "New school" or "neutral" style  skiers like being a bit forward. If he knows your "specs", he is the guy with the greatest insight into the skis.

 

I believe exotic skis has, and loves, the 177s. I think they are on the mark. A PM might be in order if you want some more insight. If nothing else - exoticskis' reviews and the comments about them here and TGR might be informative.

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

Mine are on the mark. However, they are also 187s so that may not say much about the 177s. In addition, the mark may have been moved a tiny bit (on any given size)  over the life of the ski as more feedback rolled in for fine tuning. Keith certainly knows his skis. OTOH, he has the dilemma of dealing with two distinct preferences. Folks used to skiing "old school" or "racer style" tend to like to be back a bit. "New school" or "neutral" style  skiers like being a bit forward. If he knows your "specs", he is the guy with the greatest insight into the skis.

 

I believe exotic skis has, and loves, the 177s. I think they are on the mark. A PM might be in order if you want some more insight. If nothing else - exoticskis' reviews and the comments about them here and TGR might be informative.

 

FWIW, my concepts are also 187's and also mounted on the mark.  I haven't had any issues with what I'd call tip dive on them.  I know mine are the first gen before the compound camber so echoing what spindrift said, the mark on mine may be different than the current mark, I wouldn't know.

 

I find the concepts to be a very nice balance between nimble/playful and charge-y.  They are very quick in the trees and tight conditions when you need them to be, but also hold up very well in crud, etc., at least at the mere mortal speeds that I ski at.  I've skied other skis at either end of the spectrum, both better charging crud skis and softer more pow-specific skis, and I find the balance that the concept has to work really well for my style and preferences.  That said, I haven't skied either moment ski to compare them for you.

post #13 of 15

I was looking at the Pro Bibby 190, Blizzard cochise or bodacious, I'm 6' 3" 200bls and aggressive, have been on Pro riders with 97mm underfoot which is a stiff traditional camber board. The bibby seems like a good cross of rocker and stiffness as well as the blizzards. what weight are you on the 190 bibby? Ski In CO, Utah, WY. Any thoughts would be great. Thanks

post #14 of 15

I was looking at the Pro Bibby 190, Blizzard cochise or bodacious, I'm 6' 3" 200bls and aggressive, have been on Pro riders with 97mm underfoot which is a stiff traditional camber board. The bibby seems like a good cross of rocker and stiffness as well as the blizzards. what weight are you on the 190 bibby? Ski In CO, Utah, WY. Any thoughts would be great. Thanks

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I am 6'1" and 220. The 190 works great for me but it is coming out next year in a longer size.
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