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Intermediate ski suggestion for east coast female ?

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Getting my girlfriend skis for her 2nd season .

Female Age : 22: 5'7" @ 117lbs
This year she went about 15 times we mostly do hunter and Belleayre in the Catskils with occasional weekend trips to tremblant whiteface and killington .

She had some terrible 130cm 2009 Fischer fires as seasonal rentals

Got her boots Saturday the ones the fitter had her try that she liked the best was the atomic 90 medusas

We ski about 70% on trail 30% off trail in powder (well we would like to ski off trail more on powder and glades but the weather isn't always permitting). We thoroughly enjoy groomers though. We would probably take 1 or 2 trips out west a year .

I was thinking the volkl Charismas may be alittle too stiff for her 2nd year , so going a model or two down. Any suggestions on what size underfoot and what lengths (I was thinking between 160-164?) ? Or even models ? Thanks
post #2 of 9

I think a ski with some forgiveness is nice, not too stiff, like you said. Rossignol Attraxion 6 (next season they're renamed 'Unique'), Rossignol Temptation 78 maybe? Salomon Enduro XT 800?

 

Lengthwise around 165 I would say, certainly if you go for a ski wil some rocker in it.

 

If you can get your girlfriend to pose your question on www.theskidiva.com, you might get better/more suggestions. All girl there, who know a lot about women-specific skis.

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Great advice ill tell her to sign up thanks
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Specifically I'm lost between the chiara and the viola by volkl .

The chiara has a 79 instead of 77 underfoot . That's the only difference I notice . Is there anything else ?
post #5 of 9

Yuik -

 

Not to knock you off the Volkls but having just gone through this similar experience with my wife I'll add my two cents - take it for what its worth.  First I'll tell you a few things I learned about women specific skis - they have more differences than just the colors / graphics.  Women "carry" (center of mass is aft of mens) their bodies different therefore the flex pattern of their ski needs to be different.  I'm only sharing that with you because it was news to me.  The other thing I will mention (having said the above) - colors / graphics matter with women (at least my woman).  Now she is not a "fashionesta" or anything but she definitely had opinions about how her skis looked.  They were not THE deciding factor but all things being equal the tie breaker was "I like how they look".  The last thing - let her demo  and demo and demo.  Especially if she is just figuring out skiing - to me an intermediate skier is one who is figuring it out (as opposed to beginner, "hasn't begun to figure it out" or "never will figure it out" and expert who is someone "that HAS figured it out").  This is the stage where trying a lot of different skis is great because its really easy to determine which ones enhance your technique and make you a better more confident skier which is exactly what an intermediate skier needs (in my opinion).

 

In the end - my wife chose (not my first choice as I'm not a fan but that's MY opinion) K2 super model series (I forgot which one but can check if you like).  She said she feels more confident on them (coming from Atomic Beta Carves) and watching her ski she looks like she has improved significantly since she begin to ski on them (the last half of this year) - she has gone from "slarving" her turns to pretty close to carving and skiing much more difficult terrain with confidence.

 

Again, I'm not trying to knock you off the Volkls and maybe you already know all of the above - but I just thought I'd share my own wife / girlfriend / so experience.  In the end - its awesome that we have this sport we can enjoy together.  Have fun!!

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I would question why you are only considering Volkl.  There are so many companies that make skis that are as good and in some cases better than Volkl.  But, if you really want to stick with Volkl, try to get her on a pair of RTM77 or 80.  Volkl says they're for advanced skiers but when I demoed the RTM84 I really felt like it was pretty easy to just relax and cruise along, but if I wanted to "up my game" the skis would respond accordingly.  These things are ridiculously easy to ski on or off piste.  Other than that, consider the Nordica Belle to Belle or the Atomic Affinity Storm or Pure.  If possible she really needs to demo some skis so she can pick what she likes.

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

I would question why you are only considering Volkl.  There are so many companies that make skis that are as good and in some cases better than Volkl.  But, if you really want to stick with Volkl, try to get her on a pair of RTM77 or 80.  Volkl says they're for advanced skiers but when I demoed the RTM84 I really felt like it was pretty easy to just relax and cruise along, but if I wanted to "up my game" the skis would respond accordingly.  These things are ridiculously easy to ski on or off piste.  Other than that, consider the Nordica Belle to Belle or the Atomic Affinity Storm or Pure.  If possible she really needs to demo some skis so she can pick what she likes.

Sadly I don't really know much or had someone close to me that knew much about skiing , most of my friends snowboard. Volkls marketing made it easy for me to figure out what would be logical upgrades

I started on ac10s unlimited
To ac50s
To a pair of racetigers when I started doing gs and then I picked up a pair of tigersharks for rec sking.

It was easy to tell what lines would do what based on their website .

For me I can't really tell what a 124-78-100 vs a 126-75-108 would do differently . So it's hard to tell which ski is more for groomers vs powder when comparing skis between brands . Also I can't tell what would be heavier and harder to flex between brands .

I was between the volkl Tierra but I saw some women had issues turning them an they felt heavy to get in and out of the turns on that skidivia site . I am thinking the 2013 chiara would be better because it is 20% lighter and releases from turns easier .

We looked at the k2s and the graphics look really nice like the Chiaras . She is just afraid of getting an intermediate ski and by the end of next season wishing she had something more stable at high speeds . (She was really surprised that the rentals she had felt bulky her first day this year vs on her 6-7th day feeling very sketchy at higher speeds)

The way she put it was along the lines of " I want something that won't require an exponential increase in energy to get edge to edge (ie not too heavy ) however I'm afraid if I get something too intermediate marketed it won't hold an edge well once I am doing steeper verticle "

Mind you we live in north nj and ski in NY and VT so it's mostly artificial packed snow we encounter for 80% of the year .
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I have both the volkl Fuegos and Tierras (the older versions of the Allura and Charisma), both are the 161cm. I also ski eastern mountains, mostly groomers with the occasional venture into the trees.  I enjoy both of them, but I am also heavier than your girlfriend so have an advantage when it comes to muscling around a heavy ski. I know they have lightened up these skis in the more recent generations, but Volkls are kind of known for being heavy and rather unforgiving skis. I will echo that demoing is very important, because I think you and she will find that she might prefer a softer ski (read: more forgiving for progressing skiers) and also a shorter ski than a 160. A jump from 130 to 160 is huge! I think she will find she is happier in the 150-155 range. While you give up a bit of stability at speed, you gain a lot in maneuverability (critical both on busy groomers and in the trees). *Caveat being that yes, if the ski is rockered go a bit longer* I'll also second that a post on theskidiva will get plenty of responses! 

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Thanks for the
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Originally Posted by marymack View Post

I have both the volkl Fuegos and Tierras (the older versions of the Allura and Charisma), both are the 161cm. I also ski eastern mountains, mostly groomers with the occasional venture into the trees.  I enjoy both of them, but I am also heavier than your girlfriend so have an advantage when it comes to muscling around a heavy ski. I know they have lightened up these skis in the more recent generations, but Volkls are kind of known for being heavy and rather unforgiving skis. I will echo that demoing is very important, because I think you and she will find that she might prefer a softer ski (read: more forgiving for progressing skiers) and also a shorter ski than a 160. A jump from 130 to 160 is huge! I think she will find she is happier in the 150-155 range. While you give up a bit of stability at speed, you gain a lot in maneuverability (critical both on busy groomers and in the trees). *Caveat being that yes, if the ski is rockered go a bit longer* I'll also second that a post on theskidiva will get plenty of responses! 
thanks for the response and we have done alot of ski diva reading . We are going to demo some and figure out where to go from there .

Thanks everyone for the insight
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