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post #91 of 128
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Originally Posted by SkiersLeft View Post

we'll be waiting on that data! :)Hey, an obvious question but ......... any other Bridge owners out there care to add to the discussion? Do your skis have the same thin P-tex issue or is this just an isolated case / mfg defect??

 

2011 Bridges (white topsheet with colored child like graphics and black bases) have skied them for two seasons (about 15 days on hardpack, trees, and some good stuff) and have had three tunes and no core shots.  Have been very pleased so far.  

post #92 of 128
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

So, he should only buy skis from companies that produce the skis they design and sell? That's what you are saying?

No I'm saying that if base and edge thicknesses truly matter to OP, maybe he should buy a ski that has among the thickest, from a company he can call up and talk to that probably made them. He seems like that's what he's looking for and would probably be far better served by doing so.

I've noticed the same attention to durability, to be honest. The last pair of dynastars I demoed I returned with five core shots, and I skied no different from the shot-free bros I had been beating the shit out of at the time- and bros aren't even close to the most bomber indies IMO. It's just apples to oranges and if that's what you want, you probably aren't going to be satisfied with the other end of the spectrum.
post #93 of 128
Sorry for terrible writing, mobile is killing me.
post #94 of 128
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

No i
No I'm saying that if base and edge thicknesses truly matter to OP, maybe he should buy a ski that has among the thickest, from a company he can call up and talk to that probably made them. He seems like that's what he's looking for and would probably be far better served by doing so.

I've noticed the same attention to durability, to be honest. The last pair of dynastars I demoed I returned with five core shots, and I skied no different from the shot-free bros I had been beating the shit out of at the time- and bros aren't even close to the most bomber indies IMO. It's just apples to oranges and if that's what you want, you probably aren't going to be satisfied with the other end of the spectrum.

What brands and models do you ski? how long have you had them? how many days roughly per year on each pair? just wondering if you are satisfied with the skis you select.  Seems I heard you say you made some new purchases.

 

 

I'm going with the theory that the Bridge is made overseas, not in the German factory, and may have had a problem with a grind run or two; or the ski was ground without the OP's knowledge at any of several junctures (highly possible).

post #95 of 128

Were these made in China?

In the Völkl factory, or in the Volkl knock-off factory?

If in the Völkl factory, were the rejects bought on e-bay?

 

Just wondering.

post #96 of 128
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

What brands and models do you ski? how long have you had them? how many days roughly per year on each pair? just wondering if you are satisfied with the skis you select.  Seems I heard you say you made some new purchases.

 

 

I'm going with the theory that the Bridge is made overseas, not in the German factory, and may have had a problem with a grind run or two; or the ski was ground without the OP's knowledge at any of several junctures (highly possible).

 

My money's on the overheated base scraped to the be-jezzus, add a core shot, do nothing for a long time, let everything get wet and rust, attempt a poor repair, then complain.

post #97 of 128
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

What brands and models do you ski? how long have you had them? how many days roughly per year on each pair? just wondering if you are satisfied with the skis you select.  Seems I heard you say you made some new purchases.

 

 

I'm going with the theory that the Bridge is made overseas, not in the German factory, and may have had a problem with a grind run or two; or the ski was ground without the OP's knowledge at any of several junctures (highly possible).

 

My money's on the overheated base scraped to the be-jezzus, add a core shot, do nothing for a long time, let everything get wet and rust, attempt a poor repair, then complain.



Yeah my money is on this scenario as well .
post #98 of 128

The OP, as far as I can tell, had NOT told us where he bought them or how....  so who knows... 

post #99 of 128
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Originally Posted by pdiddy View Post

The OP, as far as I can tell, had NOT told us where he bought them or how....  so who knows... 

He says he bought them new. They have never been tuned as far as he knows. Did he buy them from a shop that did a new ski tune that he didn't know about? Who knows? He did try to warranty them.  Where were they repaired and what techniques and materials were used? We don't know that either. We also don't know the time line--when the damage was first noted, when the repair was attempted, and how long he's skied on them since.Given that nobody believes anything he says  and given the amount of baseless speculation and abuse in some of the responses I doubt he is going to tell us anything more. I certainly haven't examined every ski ever made but I haven't seen any where you can see the internal structure of the ski through the base.  Seems likely that either something happened to the ski that he doesn't know about or there was a one-off manufacturing defect.  Maybe they came warped out of the press and were overground to flatten them. Obviously there has been damage to the skis since the attempted repair--the OP says he kept skiing on them, since Volkl wasn't going to warranty them and he couldn't get a repair to work--but that has nothing to do with the underlying problem, if there is one. And I imagine he will keep skiing them as long as they work--why shouldn't he? 

post #100 of 128

feel sorry for u, but I did also got a brand new volkl couple months ago . new carving ski rtm 73,   made in germany.  yet it was not performed as well as my new heads caddy that i just bought weeks ago. (i am fm CT, intermediate skiier) , maybe its the width issue i guess.  anyway compare to others facts I prefer the caddy better.

post #101 of 128
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Originally Posted by Joe Pang View Post

feel sorry for u, but I did also got a brand new volkl couple months ago . new carving ski rtm 73,   made in germany.  yet it was not performed as well as my new heads caddy that i just bought weeks ago. (i am fm CT, intermediate skiier) , maybe its the width issue i guess.  anyway compare to others facts I prefer the caddy better.


The width issue?? Lol . This has nothing
to do with this guys problem .
post #102 of 128

I'm a little befuddled by all the talk about edges, rust, beat to shit, etc. Who cares? That's like me finding a rat tail in my soup at McDonalds and someone telling me that I should have gone to a 4-star restaurant, because the soup would have been better. McDonalds should still take care of me, as a customer, for their problem (the rat tail).

 

Taking the OP at his word:

1) he bought them new

2) they haven't had a base grind before

3) the photo shows very thin base material

 

I'd have a problem with that thin of a base material also.

 

However, the OP will have a hard time warrantying, because he didn't handle the problem when it first arose - he didn't send photos of the thin base material to Volkl/shop right when the core shot happened, instead he got them repaired, continued to ski on them, and is now complaining once the core shot has ripped out and further damage has happened.

 

It does sound like Volkl responded to him, saying that the thickness of the base material looked normal, which, IMO, is a load of bull. That sort of response from Volkl is pretty rediculous, and a good reason to never buy from Volkl again.

 

OP, you'd be better off buying from a company that takes pride in the durability of their skis - Praxis, ON3P, PMGear and Moment. These 4 companies are well-known for having thick edges, thick base material, and using some of the hardest base material they can find. If you want another manufacturer's skis, request specs on base material thickness, style (i.e. hardness), and edge thickness. I too have been pretty displeased with the thickness of base material and edge material of the major brands, but, then again, I ski hard and don't like to baby my skis. I also go to a shop that I trust - one that prides itself in grinding as little as possible (or not at all) when tuning, specifically to increase longetivity.

post #103 of 128

Agree completely with above post.


Pictures look like thin base.

Volkl replied it looks normal.  They didn't say 1) these look counterfeit 2) factory rejects 3) overground too many times.  Maybe that's just a generic response, but then that's also their bad for not investigating or explaining more thoroughly.

 

Stuff about edge rust or bad maintenance causing his coreshot to fallout does not take away that his thinness of the bases.  If we're fishing for metaphors, I'd say this is similar to blaming the victim for a crime.

 

Overall, his post to explain why he would buy again; as well as good info to pass along that his experience.

 

If you want to refute the OP, someone shows a coreshot of their same volkl ski where the base material looks thicker.

post #104 of 128

Assuming that everything the OP told was in fact true (personally, I'm very skeptical given both the general tone and the non-response responses to legitimate questions, but that's  just me), that still leaves the ridiculous demand that we categorically condemn anything and everything Volkl ...... based only on one single poorly explained data point.  How scientific!!

post #105 of 128
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Originally Posted by Joe Pang View Post

feel sorry for u, but I did also got a brand new volkl couple months ago . new carving ski rtm 73,   made in germany.  yet it was not performed as well as my new heads caddy that i just bought weeks ago. (i am fm CT, intermediate skiier) , maybe its the width issue i guess.  anyway compare to others facts I prefer the caddy better.

 

WTF? heads caddy? WTF?

post #106 of 128

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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post

Assuming that everything the OP told was in fact true (personally, I'm very skeptical given both the general tone and the non-response responses to legitimate questions, but that's  just me), that still leaves the ridiculous demand that we categorically condemn anything and everything Volkl ...... based only on one single poorly explained data point.  How scientific!!

 

It's unfortunate a few people ran their mouth off at him for non-relevant issues. I think that kind of condemned us to the lack of data/information by chasing him away. I, for one, would be very interested if this thin of a base is common for Volkl (quality control issues or not). If so, I would certainly avoid Volkl skis like the plague - I need something that can stand up to some abuse. I guess we won't know till someone else has the same problem.

post #107 of 128

I had a set of Nordica flat skis that had a delam issue last season - very near the binding heel. Though I pretty much expected the ski manufacturer to blame the binding installation work due to proximity, I still had the dealer/shop pull the bindings off and send the skis back for the manufacturer to inspect them under warranty (it was just under 12 months).

 

I received a brand new set of skis back! My conclusion was to never underestimate the ability of a brick and mortar dealer/shop to get skis replaced under warranty...

post #108 of 128

That does look like a near see-through patch of based material down the middle of both skis. Hard to tell for sure what's going on in the pics. 

 

Also looks like some fishy treatment by the OP (rust) and repairs (not done properly).

 

It may well be that the OP got a lemon, or a shop sold "new" skis with a base grind they didn't mention that went terribly wrong. But it looks the OP kinda blew it by not dealing with the problem the first time it was encountered. It's kinda like getting a few hairs in your meal, spotting the first one a few bites in-- then eating the rest of the dish, piling the hairs on the side, until there's only 10% of the meal left. Then calling the waiter over to complain. 

 

Still feel bad for the OP, and still think those bases look unreasonably thin-- no matter how they got that way.

 

As a side note, I missed the line-break hyphen on one of the Jarden company trademarks and saw something that gave me a giggle: Pot®. 

post #109 of 128

OP, I had a 3" 3/8 wide shot on my Volkl G3's the green ones. I had two shops try and fix them. Both repairs popped out.

 

I bought some Epoxy P-Tex, cleaned the area really well, used some corse sandpaper on the metal used a small torch to pre-heat, dripped the epoxy in. Skied the skis another season then sold them. My repair never came out.

 

It's not the ski, it's the shop.

 

BTW I've been on Volkl's since 1999.

post #110 of 128

Not to sure about this one. I have sold and worked on Volkl for over 15 years and have never seen a thin base from them. Not saying it can't happen, just never seen one. We have a full demo line of the ski in question as well as a few of the same model year floating around. Upon inspecting all our skis, I am not sold on this came from the factory this way. I am not buying the zero tunes. The owner might not have known but this looks exactly like a base that has been rolled over the stone a few too many times. With that aside any time something goes wrong that the customer feels is a warranty, he should have had them in the shop for inspection. There is no way Volkl would even take a look at the skis given condition of the edges. No warranty for skier neglect. Hard to say now that OP got sad and ran away. Might have a lot to do with the way he reacted to this in the first place with both the shop and Volkl. O well the world may never know.    

post #111 of 128
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Originally Posted by Brian Lindahl View Post

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It's unfortunate a few people ran their mouth off at him for non-relevant issues. I think that kind of condemned us to the lack of data/information by chasing him away. I, for one, would be very interested if this thin of a base is common for Volkl (quality control issues or not). If so, I would certainly avoid Volkl skis like the plague - I need something that can stand up to some abuse. I guess we won't know till someone else has the same problem.

This is weak. The OP is using a sample of 1 to argue that he'll never trust Volkl again, and you're buying into it. Just think about the possible explanations: 1) Most or all Volkl bases, or say Bridge bases, are like this, and the rest of us just haven't noticed it. 2) He got a lemon, and is assuming it's representative. 3) He may think it was new, or he may have forgotten a few tunes, but it was ground down long after Volkl made it. 

 

I can't think of other explanations. Can you? Then unless you accept (1), you're contradicting yourself...

post #112 of 128
It's a combination of the base being thin and Volkl denying the warranty saying 'this is normal' per the OPs claim (not that I'm taking it at face value). If they denied his claim for other reasons, and would replace a ski with such thin base, then avoiding Volkl wouldn't cross my mind. Probably has more to do with the shop than the company though. A good shop will always take care of their customer.

Regardless, this is why I like ON3Ps if they have a shape/flex I want. 1.8mm thick bases, 50% thicker than the industry standard 1.2mm. Only ONE other company in the entire industry uses 1.8mm - PM Gear. Praxis is marginally thicker at 1.4mm and everyone else uses 1.2mm. Though all of these Indys (and Moment, Icelantic, and a few others) use 4001 which is significantly tougher than extruded or 2001, which is used by almost everyone else. I'm not aware of a single big name that used 4001, and yes, the difference is very noticable. 4001 doesn't absorb wax as well, but thats well worth it for freeride skis, IMO.
Edited by Brian Lindahl - 4/6/13 at 5:46am
post #113 of 128
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post


Actually they don't. Both companies are owned by Darden, that same conglomerate that serves up barely edible food at fine dining joints like Olive Garden and Red Lobster. And also unfortunately owns Marmot.

No way, the same people serving up the bait and switch  shrimp and Italian delicacies that my Grandma wouldn't serve the Irish neighbors owns Marmot??? Something fishy with that. Say it ain't so.

post #114 of 128
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Oops, my bad. I got Darden and Jarden confused.

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post #115 of 128

It does make me wonder how many rails he rode, and if that's the real reason the base is so thin.

post #116 of 128

im running with an MFGR fault here . anything that could have got under the sole during manufacture could cause this and now its exposed it will only get worse etc. Those edges dont look like they have had much love and i think  Volkl might have something to say about that etc. Only they will know what type of defects they get during and after manufatcure etc. dont think you will every clean out that rust properly.  Looks like these are for early season rock runs. Pity as Volkl are a 1st class rail.

post #117 of 128
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Originally Posted by ski=free View Post

Again, under normal skiing I got these core shots because of the thin fragile bases and maybe other defects. The Ptex repairs did not hold because of thin Ptex and perhaps other reasons. Because Ptex didn't hold water got in and made it worse. It all started with thin fragile Ptex.

Anyone that doesn't think the Ptex is unusually thin especially for a freeride ski will not understand me or I them.

Dude, no company covers impact damage!! Volkl doesn't manufacture the base material and like all the other ski companies in the world they buy their base material from just a couple of suppliers in Europe. My point is that no matter what ski you buy you're going to get pretty much the same base material. Quit hitting stuff and suck it up and go buy another pair of skis. 

post #118 of 128
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Originally Posted by cruddog View Post

Dude, no company covers impact damage!! Volkl doesn't manufacture the base material and like all the other ski companies in the world they buy their base material from just a couple of suppliers in Europe. My point is that no matter what ski you buy you're going to get pretty much the same base material. Quit hitting stuff and suck it up and go buy another pair of skis. 

no ski company does, but several online retailers do: Backcountry.com for example.

post #119 of 128

The two most likely explanations are: 1) a lemon, which can happen to any brand, at anytime, in which case the OP handled it ...... poorly, and 2) there's more to the history of the skis than we were given, in which case the OP handled ..... stupidly.  I actually lean towards the first possibility as the most likely, but the OP needs to be less emotional/immature and more rational.  

post #120 of 128

How ever you cut it, the skis have had the shit beat out of them and should of have been sent in for warranty long before there were in this dilapidated condition.

 

THE MOMENT THE OP DECIDED THE BASES WERE TOO THIN & defective,  HE SHOULD HAE TAKEN THEM BACK TO THE RETAILIER HE PURCHASED THEM FROM FOR WARRANTY RETURN. Not continue to torture the skis. And the bases were not repaired properly, which would have stopped some of the additional damage. Ya gotta use metal grip on that kind of repair.........................................PERIOD!

 

I skied VOLKLS for many years and had skis warrantied (but for other reasons) bent, even lost one in the backcountry and they found me a mate at the warehouse from another returned pair and GAVE IT to me, YEP free!

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