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post #1 of 27
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Here is a question I never thought I'd have to ask.

 

Back story first:

Great morning!  Both a Special Edition DPS 99 Pure, and their new bindings, Trab Race, @ 140g, showed on FED EX this morning.

 

Rushed them both over to my local shop where i've had a dozen skis mounted, three of them different and esoteric race bindings, other shops in our area likely never see.  Only minor problems to date.  Seems they hadn't seen the Trabs either..which is just a Dynafit clone and uses Dynafit race jigs.

 

Well, I ran out of luck today.  They miss mounted the heels, and my boots won't go in.  No way now to use the binding I had intended for this project.  Can't even redrill them and keep my mid sole mount point.

 

We are talking $1800 @ retail for the set up.  And the most expensive and deliberatly choosen rig I have ever put together.  I waited almost a year to get this pair.  A month cash out from order to delivery.

 

I understand people make mistakes.  Not a big deal as long as it is handled appropriately.

Here is my delima.

 

First,  it is a Special Edition ski (bright green) and not likely to be replaced with the same.

 

2nd....I wouldn't have bought the same ski in the stock color of bright orange.

Not a fan of multiple holes in my skis.  Even less so in THIS ski.

 

What would you do in the same situation?

 

I'm actually more pissed that I have to wait till they open at 10AM tomorrow to even pick up my boots, during what is likiely the last big winter storm cycle this year.  Not getting to ski this last storm on the new skiis?   Man, that is REALLY insult to injury :)

 

Anyone have a easy answer?


Edited by Dane - 3/19/13 at 10:42pm
post #2 of 27

Start mounting your own skis, perhaps?

 

I find I do a better job at being accurate than any shop, because it´s my ass on the line if the mount fails, and I take my sweet time doing it. Tech speed bindings (without FW pressure adjustment) are tricky, though. "Dry mount" first (enter tech toes with boots, stuff the heel pins into your boot heels with Dfit shim), then mark with a sharpie on the topsheet where the heel has to be, then where the toe has to be, use a mount template from bindingfreedom to align the ski center and drill holes. One extra mount within the limits of safe standards (10mm hole center-hole center) won´t hurt your skiing, but will affect resale value. 

 

Is there room for another mount on the midsole mark on the ski? If so, let the shop remount, under your supervision, do it yourself and have the shop comp you lots of sweet stuff, like tuneups and whatnot, but if not, and the people at DPS really believes the midsole mark is the way to go, make the shop buy you new skis, different color or not. I get your frustration on the situation, and wish for you the best solution possible.

 

Mounting your own skis is, in the beginning, a sweaty, frustrating hell, but gets a lot easier with each time you do it. Practice on 2x4s, it´ll make perfect.

 

Good luck!

post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 

Thanks, good suggestions.  BTDT mounting and it is always a better mount.  But it is so easy to do it right if you have the propper jigs and take your time.  Good idea though on your own mounting for expensive gear and if you have the right tools and know how. 

 

But that isn't an option on this ski, no room to remount with mid sole of boot to ski..   I may have found a solution of sorts by using a La Sortiva adjustable plate and adding  2 new holes, may be four.  Without weakening the ski is the hope.   But at least I can get boot and ski centers squared away  .  Or better yet if the Trab adjustable Race version  drops into the same holes...that would work and only add 80g.  I'll know more tomorrow.

 

If not I'll be skiing a skinny tangerine I guess.

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post #4 of 27

Tangerines have feelings, too, you know. wink.gif

 

And yes, easier to do with proper jigs, but by no measure impossible without. 

 

I do think limited edition colorways/graphics on skis is in general a silly idea, but that´s just me. The exceptions would be On3p´s Grizzlycorn and Pillowfight graphics a few years back. 

post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 

Be honest now...

 

......you just don't like green with a off set '70s era racing strip :)   Sad because the bright green skis make a better picture I think.  DPS generally has some really dull cosmetics. Battleship grey?  Dead and dull red?  Now there is some great artistic inspiration  for photos :-)   Tangerine is sounding better all the time!

post #6 of 27

Offset racing strips are the tits, so no problem with those. I meant in general, that limited edition graphics are stupid. Why make a graphic limited? Can´t you just make the limited into a standard, then go with that?

 

Up here, in Tromsø, Norway, where people use the bus to get to the BC, I´ve seen a couple of the regular graphic around, and in real life, they look great. 

 

Never had seen those greens with the racing strip before, thank you. They look very pretty. 

 

Just figured out another solution, but that involves a new set of holes, so bear with me - binding freedom plates. Just make sure you´re getting the right ones for your Trabs. They add about 7mm of stand height, which isn´t too bad, a wider mount pattern, which with any tech binding is a good thing, and you can take the bindings off easily for transportation. Another plus with this solution is that you could mount wherever you´d want on the ski, as the plate hole pattern is a lot wider than the toe and heel of the tech bindings´.

post #7 of 27

Here is a suggestion I just thought of but have yet to hear in any of the multitudes of internet mismount bitch threads.  Usually the mount is off center or not on the desired line.  Your situation is a bit odd because if I understand correctly, the BSL is a tad too small.  So, here is what I would try.  Would a change in your boots to a half size smaller mondo with a liner that still fits your foot be a solution?  Perhaps some sweet custom fitted new boots at no charge might solve the problem?  I guess it depends on how much too small they drilled them, but might be worth a try?

 

FWIW, when I purchase used skis with bindings that are on the small side I usually move the toe forward unless they are WAY small.  But, I have small feet so that usually isn't a problem for me. 

post #8 of 27

If they had your boots and skis I am at a loss as to how this happened. Now normally I hate this style of tread. Most people get way to greedy with wanting the shop to get them all new gear. This is a new one. I have managed many back shops over the years and the key thing is how they handle the miss mount. I'm still confused as to how this happened. If they had both the skis and the boot I am floored as to how they botched this one. The extra set of holes on the heel is not that big of a deal for the ski, but having to remount the rest of the toe and heels is a little sad for the new ski. Just trying to think about what can be done, How far off is the heel for the BSL? 

post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Here is a suggestion I just thought of but have yet to hear in any of the multitudes of internet mismount bitch threads.  Usually the mount is off center or not on the desired line.  Your situation is a bit odd because if I understand correctly, the BSL is a tad too small.  So, here is what I would try.  Would a change in your boots to a half size smaller mondo with a liner that still fits your foot be a solution?  Perhaps some sweet custom fitted new boots at no charge might solve the problem?  I guess it depends on how much too small they drilled them, but might be worth a try?

 

FWIW, when I purchase used skis with bindings that are on the small side I usually move the toe forward unless they are WAY small.  But, I have small feet so that usually isn't a problem for me. 

Ski boot shells don't come in half sizes so I don't follow your suggestion. However a different make of boot might have a different BSL.

post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 

Ya, sorry.  Just venting some here.

 

They did indeed have my skis, boots and bindings.  I can stomach just about anything.  The truth is always a good place to start.  "I fooked up, sorry".  BTDT myself a time or two in and out of the shop.  In this case the blame went to "the binding.....and no directions in English".  Then after a quick look see of my own it was obvious that they simply didn't know what guage to use on the heel placement. (yellow Dynafit stick)   So I ended up with an zero tolerence fit and too short of BSL between bindings.  And most importantly, no release.   I was told by two employees that it was the "binding's fault".  The first time I took it in stride..on the second I was ready to blow a fuse.   Ya, freakin kidding me? 

 

Smaller boot is the best option so far :)  Sadly I can't fit in the next size smaller shell down to a 28 from a 29.  Boots are the Dynafit TLT and a 10mm BS drop so that wouldn't work either.  But basic idea is good :)

 

Turns out I do have another pair of boots, Dynafit One PF-TX. Which is 3mm shorter.  I need something like 3.5 may be 4mm.  So that boot is very close and would likely work.   If you have mounted Dynafits..what was missed is the little yellow spacer/guage stick on the heel piece.     

 

The binding is a Trab race tech binding.  Like all the other tech race bindings they have to be perfect on the mount.  Either get it right or you are screwed.  I thought this shop could hadle the job...knowing full well they were NOT a typical mindless mount.  We actually had that discussion prior when I drop the gear off.  I made that exact point when asked.  "It's NOT a normal, quickie mount."    I offered beer and a tip to get it perfect. (but I always offer a free 6 pack and a cash tip to get it perfect)

 

What sticks in my craw is I bought the skis and bindings to use specifically with my TLTP boots.  Not my DYNAs and Not my Ones or Zero4s.  Some serious coin involved (for me) to put this rig together.  And I like my gear set up correctly from the get go.  This was to be as light and as versital as a 100mm rig could be.  A super light weight touring rig that I now either redrill and add a adjustment plate or use smaller but heavier boot.

 

That a part it simply chaps my ass when you have a $1800 rig that you paid $$+ per gram and now this.  Done right it adds 16oz per foot with the smaller boots.   1# per foot MORE to an other wise 6 # total rig, that included boots, bindings and 10mm under foot skis.  Now it is a 8# rig?  Not going to happen.

 

Plug the 4 holes and add the adjustable plate drilling 4 more seems to be the only realistic option. 

  .

post #11 of 27

However this turns out, make your next ski purchase demos with adjustable pre-mounted bindings. Done and done.

post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Abox View Post

However this turns out, make your next ski purchase demos with adjustable pre-mounted bindings. Done and done.

 

Not sure why anyone would ever do that.  To me that is like buying a used car from the Dollar rental fleet.   Teh plate I'll add is 40g.  The extra 4 holes per ski?  Free!

post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Dane View Post

 

Not sure why anyone would ever do that.  To me that is like buying a used car from the Dollar rental fleet.  

 

Fewer moving parts.  And you can buy top of the line skis with a single season on em.  I bought Line Prophet demos last month...they showed up on a Monday and I was having a great day on them on Wednesday.  No muss, no fuss.

post #14 of 27

Will the adjustable trab heel fit the holes or is that gonna add too much weight ???

 

http://skitrab.com/de-ch/c-15-tr-race-bindings/102-adjustable-back-tr-race.html

 

and yeah I hate when shops do this too

post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 

The adjustable heel only adds 60g compared to the plate but the heel height is too much with out having to stack up the toe.  It is a good thought though, thanks.

post #16 of 27

So why does Trab call their binding a "race" binding? Who is it that races in Dynafit boots?

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

So why does Trab call their binding a "race" binding? Who is it that races in Dynafit boots?

 

 

I guess Sun Peaks hasn't caught up with the rest of the world?  Likey the guys in the red suits and on Trab race bindings are the Canadain National team.  It aint hockey and a good percentage of them on "race" binding and I'd bet 99% of them with Dynafit  capable boots.

 

 

 

Just so you understand on what the RACE bindings are capable of check this out :

 

http://www.getstrongergolonger.com/journal/2013/3/16/my-otter-body-experience.html

post #18 of 27

It happened to me in the mid 90's with a pair of straight ski Rossi slaloms...back then lifter plates were the

rage so they told me they filled the holes with epoxy and put the lifter plates on for free. What could i do?

It didn't matter in the long run, skis seemed fine.

 

skis were 198's and a tad long for me as the moguls were getting tighter with the shape ski craze, So i stopped using

them couple years later. (still in basement!)

post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Dane View Post

 

 

I guess Sun Peaks hasn't caught up with the rest of the world?  Likey the guys in the red suits and on Trab race bindings are the Canadain National team.  It aint hockey and a good percentage of them on "race" binding and I'd bet 99% of them with Dynafit  capable boots.

 

 

 

Just so you understand on what the RACE bindings are capable of check this out :

 

http://www.getstrongergolonger.com/journal/2013/3/16/my-otter-body-experience.html

Yup, I never heard of Alpine Touring Racing before now, so I learn new things on EpicSki.com all the time.

Sun Peaks just has speed skiing where the skiers just go straight down hill, no turns and 175kph.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

Yup, I never heard of Alpine Touring Racing before now, so I learn new things on EpicSki.com all the time.

Sun Peaks just has speed skiing where the skiers just go straight down hill, no turns and 175kph with baggy clothes and twin tips.   And of course the speed is correct, their Iphone sez so..........

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post #21 of 27
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End of story?

 

Shop  bought the skis.  Paying my full invoice from DPS.

 

Mistakes happens..how you fix it is the what counts.

Hopefully  I'll never be in that situation again.

post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

Yup, I never heard of Alpine Touring Racing before now, so I learn new things on EpicSki.com all the time.

Sun Peaks just has speed skiing where the skiers just go straight down hill, no turns and 175kph.

 

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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

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This is an FIS speed skiing event with rubber suits, fairings behind the skiers calfs, special aerodynamic helmets and 240cm skis. Course record is 176+kph through a speed trap. There used to be an annual event in Colorado but now Sun Peaks is the only North American venue (other races are in Europe, principally at Les Arcs) with the event being staged annually since the mid 1980s. Speed Skiing was a demonstration event at the 1992 Olympics in France where several racers from Sun Peaks competed.

post #23 of 27

So ScotsSkier I guess you learned something new on EpicSki today as well.

post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Dane View Post

End of story?

 

Shop  bought the skis.  Paying my full invoice from DPS.

 

Mistakes happens..how you fix it is the what counts.

Hopefully  I'll never be in that situation again.


Bought as in they gave you money, removed the bindings, and took the skis??  Or, bought as in.. gave you the money you paid for the skis and let you keep them as is?

post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 

They gave me a check.  I gave them the skis.

I left with my boots,bindings and a check for the cost of the skis..

post #26 of 27

Disappointing.  Now, you have to start all over again..frown.gif  But at least they paid for their mistake..

post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

 

This is an FIS speed skiing event with rubber suits, fairings behind the skiers calfs, special aerodynamic helmets and 240cm skis. Course record is 176+kph through a speed trap. There used to be an annual event in Colorado but now Sun Peaks is the only North American venue (other races are in Europe, principally at Les Arcs) with the event being staged annually since the mid 1980s. Speed Skiing was a demonstration event at the 1992 Olympics in France where several racers from Sun Peaks competed.

yeah, i know what it is, seen them running it at Les Arcs.  We also had some events in Scotland in late 80s

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