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Cham 97 or Cham 107 as a Colorado All-mountain ski?

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So I'm looking at getting a new pair of skis amidst the end of season sales, and and pretty well decided on either the Cham 107 or Cham 97.  I got to demo the 107's, mostly groomed, some crud, and loved them, including the polarizing pin tail. 

 

That being said, I'm looking for something that will be a solid quiver of one.  I do most of my skiing at Breck, Mary Jane, Copper and A-Basin, and though I do love charging the back bowls, bumps and trees are going to happen. I'm 5'9", 140 - was thinking either the 97 in a 178 or the 107 in a 175.

 

I'm coming off the Nordica Patron's at 185, which were fine, but my hopes for powder were ambitious, and I just didn't dig the twin tip. They were also VERY much not ideal in tracked out conditions or moguls.

 

Anyone have any thoughts?  Thanks!

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I am five pounds lighter and two inches shorter. If I were skiing Mary Jane a lot I'd pick the 97 @ 172cm. That's just me. Others like Dawg tend to go long. You're not a bruiser, so you want to be on something that you can bend all day comfortably and not have to be "on" every moment.
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I'm  6 ft 170 lbs and have the Cham 107 184 cm. With the rockered tip they don't ski that long. I skied the my Chams for 4 days out in Vail a couple of weeks ago and 2 of the 4 days it snowed maybe 4-5 in. and 2 days I was on mostly groomed. In the fresh snow they are fantastic and when it gets cut up the tip just rides up and over the chop.

 

But what I most most surprised about was how good they were even on groomed snow. Not a race carver but you can carve on these skis and have a great time even when there is no fresh snow. I am very pleased how versatile these skis are. They are a blast to ski and I am very happy with them.

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I think the 97 would be more practical along the front range.  

post #5 of 8

Although even the wider Cham 107 is a better crud ski than the Nordica Patron, your extreme displeasure with being pushed around in crud suggests you ski the Cham 97, one of the smoother crud skis made. You don't mention your age; younger feet and ankles do better with the 107 in set up conditions, less pain from torque of the ski.


Edited by davluri - 3/19/13 at 8:16am
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I like a narrower ski for the front range.  So far, 89 is the widest I've found I'm happy with as a daily driver, so the 97 is going to be better than the 107 in my thinking.  It's all about the bumps on the front range, IMO.  Skiing Breck, Mary Jane, Copper and A-Basin, we hit a LOT of bumps on a typical day.  Even trying to hit the steeps and trees as much as possible you can't help but to spend a significant portion of your day in the bumps.

 

My theory is almost every 97-107 will ski pow, crud and trees fairly well.   It's the bumps that really separate the skis for a front range expert skier.   Some skis are good in the bumps and many are pretty bad.   Most reviews we read don't give enough weight to how well a ski performs in the bumps.  Again, just one guy's opinion.  I also tend to be skeptical when folks say a ski is good in the bumps.   Unless I know that reviewer can zipper line top to bottom at Mary Jane, I tend to discount their comments.  

 

Am I off base here?  I'd love to hear thoughts from other CO skiers.

 

All that said... have you tried the Cham 97?   I haven't, so before I bought it for the front range I'd spend a day at the Jane on both the 172 and 178.   You'll either love it or hate it, and you'll find the right length for you.   Good luck!

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I like a narrower ski for the front range.  So far, 89 is the widest I've found I'm happy with as a daily driver, so the 97 is going to be better than the 107 in my thinking.  It's all about the bumps on the front range, IMO.  Skiing Breck, Mary Jane, Copper and A-Basin, we hit a LOT of bumps on a typical day.  Even trying to hit the steeps and trees as much as possible you can't help but to spend a significant portion of your day in the bumps.

 

My theory is almost every 97-107 will ski pow, crud and trees fairly well.   It's the bumps that really separate the skis for a front range expert skier.   Some skis are good in the bumps and many are pretty bad.   Most reviews we read don't give enough weight to how well a ski performs in the bumps.  Again, just one guy's opinion.  I also tend to be skeptical when folks say a ski is good in the bumps.   Unless I know that reviewer can zipper line top to bottom at Mary Jane, I tend to discount their comments.  

 

Am I off base here?  I'd love to hear thoughts from other CO skiers.

 

All that said... have you tried the Cham 97?   I haven't, so before I bought it for the front range I'd spend a day at the Jane on both the 172 and 178.   You'll either love it or hate it, and you'll find the right length for you.   Good luck!

 

tball...I generally agree. My dailies for Vail for years now have been 88-98 (Mantra, Mythic Rider, Elan Apex). I've yet to try anything over 98mm in the waist that makes me happy for mixed conditions (mix of groomers, bumps, crud, pow....)

 

I tried the Cham 97 and liked it, but didn't have enough time on it to post an opinion other than to say it carved nicely on groomers and small-medium bumps with light snow on top.

 

I've tried several skis over 100mm on front side conditions and have found them all to be planky & ponderous. I break out my s7s for powder days only.

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I think a lot would depend on the snow year.  In 2008,  I skied my 194 Legend Pro's and XXL's almost all year.   These last two thin seasons, I've put a lot more days on shorter, narrower skis.

Do you have any skis other than the Patrons?  Even an old pair of SL's would make the 107 a much more practical choice.

 

I trashed a lot skis this year. So I just picked up a slightly used GS ski w/bindings for $125/shipped.

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