Originally Posted by oldgoat
In other words you don't have the statistics to back up what you say.
In other words I couldn't look things up on my cellphone.
Here are government numbers showing accidents and deaths per 100M vehicle-miles over time: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf
In 2009 there were 1.14 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles, or 16.13 per 100K registered drivers (nationally).
Some more numbers, also showing DUI stats:
In 2009, 22% of fatal automobile accidents involved a driver with a BAC over .08.
Some numbers on ski/snowboard injuries:
"Medically significant" injuries are those which require medical treatment or keep a person from skiing for at least one day. For every 1000 ski area visits, about three will result in an injury serious enough to require immediate medical attention. (By comparison, the injury rate for football is 810/1,000 participants, while tennis has an incidence of 30/1,000 players.) In a typical year there are about 135,000 medically significant snow sport injuries in the U.S. Many studies estimate that up to 40% of all injuries go unreported. One study calculated there may be as many as 500,000 skier/snowboarder injuries each year. At this rate of injury for the average skier who skis 14 days a year, the individual chance of injury each year is approximately 14%.
During the past 15 years, there has been an average of 34 deaths per year among skiers and snowboarders. During 1999-2000 season, 30 fatalities occurred out of the 52.2 million skier/snowboarder days reported.
Whilst they usually receive media attention, deaths due to participating in a snow sport are thankfully very rare indeed. The most complete data series on fatalities comes from the USA. From the 1991/92 to the 2003/04 season inclusive, a total of 469 traumatic deaths have been recorded within the boundaries of ski resorts in the US. Deaths from any other cause (including heart attacks) are not included in these figures. 58 of these deaths were snowboarders and 401 were skiers. A total of 650.7 million skier days took place during these 13 seasons giving a death rate of 0.71 deaths per million skier days (or one death every 1.4 million skier days - really exceptionally low).
The very latest point data available is also American and comes from the 2008/09 season when 39 fatalities occurred out of the 57.4 million skier/snowboarder days reported for the season. Thirty of the fatalities were skiers (19 male, 11 female) and nine of the fatalities were snowboarders, (8 male, 1 female). Among the fatalities, eight of those involved were reported as wearing a helmet at the time of the incident. The rate of fatality converts to .68 deaths per million skier/snowboarder visits.
Collisions of all sorts account for 90% of all fatalities - trees are the most commonly struck object accounting for some 60% of all fatalities. Collisions with other persons account for about 10% of all fatalities.
In a comprehensive 10 year study from Canada looking at all such injuries, an incidence of 0.06 severe injuries per 1000 skier days was derived (ref McBeth et al, American Journal of Surgery, 2009). ...The NSAA in America report that in the 2008/09 season in America, there were 44 serious snow sports related injuries. Twenty-one of these affected skiers (17 male, 4 female) and fifteen were snowboarders, (12 male, 3 female). Among the serious injuries, 12 of those involved were reported as wearing a helmet at the time of the incident. The rate of serious injury in 2008/09 was .77 per million skier/snowboarder visits.
So you're looking at ~.7 deaths per million skier/snowboarder days vs. 1.14 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles.
These are not directly comparable numbers, since I don't know what a 'driver-day' should actually be. I drive about 15-20K miles per year, probably over ~250 days, so that's something like 70-75 miles/day that I drive. I drive a lot, so let's say maybe 50 is average. That would give you 1.14 deaths per 2M 'vehicle days', or 0.57 deaths per million 'vehicle days'. If the average 'day' is more like 25 miles then you'd double that figure.
The injury rate for snowsports is about 2-3 per thousand days, with serious injuries quoted there at ~.77 per million days. From those automotive stats it looks like there are about 30x more accidents that cause injuries than fatal ones, so that would be ~30 injuries per 100M vehicle miles.
So with the same 50 miles/'day' comparison, you'd get:
Snowsports (all injuries): 2000-3000 per million days
Snowsports (serious injuries): 0.77 per million days
Driving (all injuries): 15 per million days
I guess I have to retract my earlier statement. Depending on how you compare skier-days to driver-days, driving may be statistically about as likely to kill you overall as skiing, and you're more likely statistically to get some kind of injury skiing (though serious injuries are relatively rare).