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Are twin tips right for me?

post #1 of 11
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I am looking into purchasing my first pair of skis and am wondering what are some good ones to check out. I just have no idea what to look for and what brands are good and which I should avoid.  I am leaning towards twin tips, mainly because I like the way they look.  I have used a pair of elan exar wide 160's and elan twin tips 135(all the rental shop had, way too small).

 

 

  1. Where in the world are you skiing? I am in NH, so most of my skiing is going to occur in the northeast with maybe a trip out west if I can find the time.  

  2. What kinds of terrain do you prefer (groomed runs, moguls, race course, park'n'pipe, trees, steeps, backcountry/sidecountry) I wouldn't say I have a preference when in comes to terrain, I do ski patrol on my snowboard and intend to do it on ski's as well once I get to that level so I want ski's that can handle all terrain.

  1. How many days a year do you ski? This season, I have been on my board/ski's atleast two times a week and at the most 6 times a week.

  2. How advanced are you as a skier? well, I have only skied two times so far but I am already turning well and have done the double black diamonds at the mountain I work at, I am just not the fastest yet.

  3. What's your height and weight? I am 5'11" and 150lb's.

 

I intend to go talk to my local ski shop to get there input but would love to see what you guys/girls have to say as well.

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 11
You patrol on a board???? How can you manage a sled or a traverse
on a board???? Just wondering, because maybe I'm blind
but I have never seen patrol on anything other than
skis.

Twin tips are park skis, so you don't kill yourself
when you launch or land switch. Some people ride them
for fun, but again, I've never seen any one in the Northeast
ride them as their everyday ski.

It seems you should be looking for a sturdy all-mountain ski, and that is
not going to be a twin-tip. Walk over to a patroller on skis. Ask what they have.

The way more important first step is what have you done about your boots?

Cheers!
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Yup I patrol on my board. Handling a sled isn't that tough just use things like shorg radius turns and side slips. We have a handful of patrollers on mountain with boards.

As far as what other patrollers are using i have talked to patrollers using standard all mountain skis as well twin tips so it seems like either could work.

As far as boots I plan to go to a local store and get fitted since I am already sick of rental boots
post #4 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allison Matura View Post

You patrol on a board???? How can you manage a sled or a traverse
on a board???? Just wondering, because maybe I'm blind
but I have never seen patrol on anything other than
skis.

. . .

I imagine it depends on where you are.  There are several patrollers at my little mountain who board.  Also at other mountains in the southeast and Mid-Atlantic.  Fun to watch them train.

post #5 of 11

Hey Maverick42,

 

It sounds to me like you're looking for a solid All-Mountain ski. Something with a little bit of early rise in the tip, and a decently wide platform to stand on. As far as twin tip vs. flat tail, that's really all up to you. A lot of people might say you don't want a twin tip because they're meant for freestyle tricks, but in reality a good twin tip can hold its own anywhere on the mountain. Chances are you won't want any metal in your skis yet, so really the difference between some twin tips and flat tails skis is pretty minmal. 

 

Now, let's get into some suggestions:

 

1. 2013 Bizzard Bushwacker- These skis are a solid 88mm underfoot, have a bit of early rise, and a full wood core. These would be ideal for you right now as they're narrow enough to be able to handle, yet wide enough for you to go off trail when you have to. The full wood core provides solid support for your skill level, and the exclusion of metal ensures that they won't be too stiff for you. I'd recommend the 166cm length for you, though the 159cm would be a bit quicker for you to pick up skiing with.

 

2. 2014 Rossignol Experience 88- These skis are essentially Rossignol's Bushwacker. Next year's model will mark the third year of the Experience series, and they get rave reviews year after year. The waist on these is an 88, and they're also a full wood core. The big difference between these skis and the Bushwacker, is the Experience has a lower turn radius (quicker, easier turns), and the Bushwacker uses Blizzard's FlipCore (easily the most stable rocker construction on the market). Plus, this is the 2014 model, so you'll likely be the only one riding these at your mountain until next year. I'd recommend the 162cm length in this ski.

 

3. 2013 Atomic Alibi- This is an example of a Twin Tip ski that can handle skiing the whole mountain just fine. These skis are a bit wider in the waist, coming in at 95mm, so that's definitely something to consider. That width might be a little bit too much at first, but it seems like something you could work into pretty quickly, given you've already skied a couple of double black diamonds. They also feature Atomic's All Terrain Rocker, which means they've got early rise rocker in the tip and tails, with camber underfoot. These would be a great choice if you think you'll be checking out powder stashes on your skis. In that sense, the wider waist gives these the upper hand compared to the Bushwacker and the Experience 88. I'd recommend the 168cm here, but you'll have to be ready to step up to the plate, or you'll find these skis a bit cumbersome.

 

4. 2013 Volkl Bridge- This is another All Mountain Twin Tip that would satisfy your needs. It's very similar to the Atomic Alibi, except the rocker profile is a bit different. On these skis, you'll be getting Volkl's full rocker, which means these skis have a continuous, low rocker profile from tip to tail. There's no camber underfoot, so they won't be able to grip the ice or hardpack on firm days quite as well as the other choices. The benefit to this ski is that it's super easy to turn, and it'll handle some of the soft snow when you're ready to search that out. Plus, it satisfies your attraction to a twin tip ski. I'd recommend a 163cm length in this ski.

 

Obviously there are a lot of other choices out there that could work for you. Another ski worth mentioning would be the Dynastar Cham 87. Feel free to ask any questions, and good luck with the search!

 

Matt w/ Skiessentials.com

post #6 of 11

An all mountain twin or crossover park ski could be more maneuverable in alot of situations encountered by patrolers. They are also a fun all mountain ski, and are quite capable of ripping. I know a few patrollers who use them for those very same reasons. I have spent most of my time lately on the Nordica El paco in 14.5 @ 169cm. They are very fun sticks and could be skied easy or hard. I recommend mounting them or any twin traditionaly aft of the centerline (classic) if used more for all mountain than park.

 

I also like the Bushwacker alot. I have the the 2012 173, and think for what I'm trying to use it for I would be happier with the 166. I would say at your size the 173 would be perfect because I am your weight but only 5'5" so sometimes they get away from me.

 

Welcome to epic, And btw I am seeing alot more patrolers on boards all over the NE


Edited by vwr1vwf - 3/18/13 at 7:06pm
post #7 of 11

Patrollers get an awesome deal on these. They look like a pretty good all mountain ski, will they do anything exceptionally well? Probably not, but for the purposes and situations you can find yourself in while patrolling I think these would be a pretty nice asset. 

 

http://www.surfaceskis.com/hardgoods/collab/savelife/index.html

post #8 of 11

Oh please, oh please...is there any video of a patroller on a board doing a serious traverse?

I can think of a few trail sections at Sugarbush that would require ditching the board and walking it.

 

Really? Really, really? I'm asking the guys at SB this weekend. And it is entirely possible that there are some on boards,

and I just haven't seen them.

 

Cheers!

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiessentials View Post

Hey Maverick42,

 

It sounds to me like you're looking for a solid All-Mountain ski. Something with a little bit of early rise in the tip, and a decently wide platform to stand on. As far as twin tip vs. flat tail, that's really all up to you. A lot of people might say you don't want a twin tip because they're meant for freestyle tricks, but in reality a good twin tip can hold its own anywhere on the mountain. Chances are you won't want any metal in your skis yet, so really the difference between some twin tips and flat tails skis is pretty minmal. 

 

Now, let's get into some suggestions:

 

1. 2013 Bizzard Bushwacker- These skis are a solid 88mm underfoot, have a bit of early rise, and a full wood core. These would be ideal for you right now as they're narrow enough to be able to handle, yet wide enough for you to go off trail when you have to. The full wood core provides solid support for your skill level, and the exclusion of metal ensures that they won't be too stiff for you. I'd recommend the 166cm length for you, though the 159cm would be a bit quicker for you to pick up skiing with.

 

2. 2014 Rossignol Experience 88- These skis are essentially Rossignol's Bushwacker. Next year's model will mark the third year of the Experience series, and they get rave reviews year after year. The waist on these is an 88, and they're also a full wood core. The big difference between these skis and the Bushwacker, is the Experience has a lower turn radius (quicker, easier turns), and the Bushwacker uses Blizzard's FlipCore (easily the most stable rocker construction on the market). Plus, this is the 2014 model, so you'll likely be the only one riding these at your mountain until next year. I'd recommend the 162cm length in this ski.

 

3. 2013 Atomic Alibi- This is an example of a Twin Tip ski that can handle skiing the whole mountain just fine. These skis are a bit wider in the waist, coming in at 95mm, so that's definitely something to consider. That width might be a little bit too much at first, but it seems like something you could work into pretty quickly, given you've already skied a couple of double black diamonds. They also feature Atomic's All Terrain Rocker, which means they've got early rise rocker in the tip and tails, with camber underfoot. These would be a great choice if you think you'll be checking out powder stashes on your skis. In that sense, the wider waist gives these the upper hand compared to the Bushwacker and the Experience 88. I'd recommend the 168cm here, but you'll have to be ready to step up to the plate, or you'll find these skis a bit cumbersome.

 

4. 2013 Volkl Bridge- This is another All Mountain Twin Tip that would satisfy your needs. It's very similar to the Atomic Alibi, except the rocker profile is a bit different. On these skis, you'll be getting Volkl's full rocker, which means these skis have a continuous, low rocker profile from tip to tail. There's no camber underfoot, so they won't be able to grip the ice or hardpack on firm days quite as well as the other choices. The benefit to this ski is that it's super easy to turn, and it'll handle some of the soft snow when you're ready to search that out. Plus, it satisfies your attraction to a twin tip ski. I'd recommend a 163cm length in this ski.

 

Obviously there are a lot of other choices out there that could work for you. Another ski worth mentioning would be the Dynastar Cham 87. Feel free to ask any questions, and good luck with the search!

 

Matt w/ Skiessentials.com

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by vwr1vwf View Post

An all mountain twin or crossover park ski could be more maneuverable in alot of situations encountered by patrolers. They are also a fun all mountain ski, and are quite capable of ripping. I know a few patrollers who use them for those very same reasons. I have spent most of my time lately on the Nordica El paco in 14.5 @ 169cm. They are very fun sticks and could be skied easy or hard. I recommend mounting them or any twin traditionaly aft of the centerline (classic) if used more for all mountain than park.

 

I also like the Bushwacker alot. I have the the 2012 173, and think for what I'm trying to use it for I would be happier with the 166. I would say at your size the 173 would be perfect because I am your weight but only 5'5" so sometimes they get away from me.

 

Welcome to epic, And btw I am seeing alot more patrolers on boards all over the NE

Thanks for the suggestions guys, I really appreciate it as I have no idea what good skis are.  do you happen to have any suggestions that are in a lower price bracket? 600 is a little above what I can afford right now.  I am willing to use a cheaper ski/binding combo for a while to be able to get the best boots for my feet. are there any boot brands that I should avoid?

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust View Post

Patrollers get an awesome deal on these. They look like a pretty good all mountain ski, will they do anything exceptionally well? Probably not, but for the purposes and situations you can find yourself in while patrolling I think these would be a pretty nice asset. 

 

http://www.surfaceskis.com/hardgoods/collab/savelife/index.html

 

I have seen a pair of these in our locker room but am not sure whose they are.  I will ask around tomorrow and see if I could try em out for a day.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allison Matura View Post

Oh please, oh please...is there any video of a patroller on a board doing a serious traverse?

I can think of a few trail sections at Sugarbush that would require ditching the board and walking it.

 

Really? Really, really? I'm asking the guys at SB this weekend. And it is entirely possible that there are some on boards,

and I just haven't seen them.

 

Cheers!

 

I am probably not the best person to be answering these questions as I am still a new patroller(this being my first season) so I will leave it up to others to answer your questions. But my intentions when I made my original post was not to start a debate as to the merits of patrolling on a board versus skis.  I was/am just looking for suggestions on skis and other gear as I am unfamiliar with the equipment.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions, I really appreciate it!  

post #10 of 11

So I meant to respond with a few cheaper options that you have available, but yesterday was a powder day, so that got put on hold for obvious reasons. I apologize for that, but I'm sure you understand. Anyways, back to business. Here's a few more suggestions that would work for you, that are a bit cheaper in price, mostly because they're past years models. Keep in mind too that if you like any of these skis, we're currently offering 10% off and Free Shipping within the Continental U.S. over at Skiessentials.com.

 

1. 2012 Rossignol Experience 83- These are a narrower version of a ski I mentioned in my first post. It's still a highly capable all mountain ski, but it's 83mm in the waist rather than the 88. These skis are going to have a lower turn radius so you'll be able to pick up skiing pretty quickly, and you'll find these super easy to maneuver. They've also got a bit of early rise in the tip, so they're capable of staying above the crud and light snow. I'd probably stick with the 160cm length for now, but you should consider the 168cm if you're looking to really progress your skiing skills.

 

2. 2012 K2 Sight- These are a pretty solid price point ski that would work for you. It's 85mm in the waist, a twin tip, and has a little bit of early rise. These skis are definitely softer than the Experience 83, so taking them to higher speeds (when you get there) might be a bit shaky. That said, you'll have no trouble learning how to ski on these, and they're a great, affordable option for you first pair. I'd recommend the 159cm length in these.

 

3. Demo Skis- Right now we've got a good selection of Demo skis, from both this year and past years. These skis have all been use up at Stowe, but most are in great shape. Either way, we give a call to every customer who orders a demo, just to make sure we're on the same page in terms of the ski's condition. Right now we've got a great deal on the Atomic Theory Demo Ski, packaged with a Marker Griffon Binding. The total on that comes to $449.10 for the ski and binding.

 

I hope this helps! There's a lot of good skis out there for you, and by checking out some skis from the last couple of years you'll definitely save a bit of cash. Feel free to message me directly or give us a call if you have any more questions!

 

Matt @ Skiessentials.com

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiessentials View Post

So I meant to respond with a few cheaper options that you have available, but yesterday was a powder day, so that got put on hold for obvious reasons. I apologize for that, but I'm sure you understand. Anyways, back to business. Here's a few more suggestions that would work for you, that are a bit cheaper in price, mostly because they're past years models. Keep in mind too that if you like any of these skis, we're currently offering 10% off and Free Shipping within the Continental U.S. over at Skiessentials.com.

1. 2012 Rossignol Experience 83- These are a narrower version of a ski I mentioned in my first post. It's still a highly capable all mountain ski, but it's 83mm in the waist rather than the 88. These skis are going to have a lower turn radius so you'll be able to pick up skiing pretty quickly, and you'll find these super easy to maneuver. They've also got a bit of early rise in the tip, so they're capable of staying above the crud and light snow. I'd probably stick with the 160cm length for now, but you should consider the 168cm if you're looking to really progress your skiing skills.

2. 2012 K2 Sight- These are a pretty solid price point ski that would work for you. It's 85mm in the waist, a twin tip, and has a little bit of early rise. These skis are definitely softer than the Experience 83, so taking them to higher speeds (when you get there) might be a bit shaky. That said, you'll have no trouble learning how to ski on these, and they're a great, affordable option for you first pair. I'd recommend the 159cm length in these.

3. Demo Skis- Right now we've got a good selection of Demo skis, from both this year and past years. These skis have all been use up at Stowe, but most are in great shape. Either way, we give a call to every customer who orders a demo, just to make sure we're on the same page in terms of the ski's condition. Right now we've got a great deal on the Atomic Theory Demo Ski, packaged with a Marker Griffon Binding. The total on that comes to $449.10 for the ski and binding.

I hope this helps! There's a lot of good skis out there for you, and by checking out some skis from the last couple of years you'll definitely save a bit of cash. Feel free to message me directly or give us a call if you have any more questions!

Matt @ Skiessentials.com

Hey matt,

Thanks for the response and I completely understand. I was on the mountain figuring out powder skiing and tried my hand at skiing the trees.

Right now I think the k2s and the atomic demos are most in my budget now. I think 168 would be the absolute biggest ski I would feel comfortable on. I have really only used 160s and feel pretty confident on them.

I will probably send you a link to some of the skis I had been looking at to get your input.
Edited by maverick42 - 3/20/13 at 11:03am
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