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FX 84 or Sultan 85 for Spring Conditions?

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Leaving for Park City for the last week of March.  I'll be bringing a pair of 180cm Bushwackers for slush and any fresh powder (I don't own "real" powder skis..)  These were a lot of fun in sunny Spring conditions in Vermont last weekend.

 

I'm having the "what other skis to bring" dilemma...I have FX 84s (176cm) and Sultan 85s (178cm) that I'm considering.  The few times I've skied the FXs (on firm but not too hard conditions) they have been fun.  They are really quick and agile and have a surprising amount of power, but I've read the FX 84s can wimp out in Spring soft snow/crud conditions.  

 

The Sultans are in the quiver but I haven't fallen in love with them...probably because I take them out during the worst conditions we see here during the year (which can be bad!)...real hardpack crap, ice after rain, etc...so I'm wondering if they would shine more in some better conditions out west.

 

So I have no experience with these skis in conditions I might see next week.  Any thoughts/experiences on thee two skis for Spring conditions?  (I Usually avoid trees, but I like to ski varied terrain.)

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 8

My $0.02 ... neither is sufficiently different to the Bushwackers to fit your purpose.

 

If you're looking for a spring slush ski, go for a wider ski with some early rise and set them up with a serious base structure.  If you're after a ski for the refrozen morning groomers go much narrower (like 66-72mm) with some sidecut and some pop out of the turn, and set them up with a sharp side edge bevel.  If you're after something that splits the difference between those two skis you're right on the money with your Bushwackers.  Go skiing and have fun.  If it gets sloppy demo something wider to suit.

 

Have a great trip.

post #3 of 8

That's a very similar "quiver"...

post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies....

 

Goldsbar:  Skis in the 80-90 width range are what I mostly prefer for where I ski and how I ski, and I think the three skis I mentioned are not as similar as you might think, despite similar dimensions (especially in the tail...all are 110mm).  I ski mainly in the East and rarely catch a huge powder day.  These and a couple of groomer skis I own make up my quiver and give me different experiences on the slopes.  I don't think a quiver has to be broken down into a hard snow/all-mountain/powder trio.  If I lived in the West, maybe I would think differently.

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Leaving for Park City for the last week of March.  I'll be bringing a pair of 180cm Bushwackers for slush and any fresh powder (I don't own "real" powder skis..)  These were a lot of fun in sunny Spring conditions in Vermont last weekend.

 

I'm having the "what other skis to bring" dilemma...I have FX 84s (176cm) and Sultan 85s (178cm) that I'm considering.  The few times I've skied the FXs (on firm but not too hard conditions) they have been fun.  They are really quick and agile and have a surprising amount of power, but I've read the FX 84s can wimp out in Spring soft snow/crud conditions.  

 

The Sultans are in the quiver but I haven't fallen in love with them...probably because I take them out during the worst conditions we see here during the year (which can be bad!)...real hardpack crap, ice after rain, etc...so I'm wondering if they would shine more in some better conditions out west.

 

So I have no experience with these skis in conditions I might see next week.  Any thoughts/experiences on thee two skis for Spring conditions?  (I Usually avoid trees, but I like to ski varied terrain.)

 

Thanks!

The Sultan 94 is really versatile. I like it; it would work well for what you propose, especially if you have gotten a good grind and structure on them.  Don't ski them straight out of the wrapper without a grind first: the stock "tune" can't even really be called that.  

 

The FX84 is a stronger ski than the 94 or Bushwacker, so you don't have to worry about that.  I find the 84 to be more engaged at the tip than the other 2, more powerful at the top of the turn, more stable too and better in crud at speed.  A great ski all around.

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The Sultans are in the quiver but I haven't fallen in love with them...probably because I take them out during the worst conditions we see here during the year (which can be bad!)...real hardpack crap, ice after rain, etc...so I'm wondering if they would shine more in some better conditions out west.

I'm in the East like yourself and have the Sultan 85 (172 for 155 lbs) as my bring everywhere ski.  Thoughts are:

 

  • Can handle just about anything well enough but not nearly perfect - not wide enough to surf powder (obviously), too wide and soft to be great on firm groomers
  • Can actually charge fairly well in soft conditions - don't believe you need some super long and wide ski for such antics
  • Really good on the spring snow
  • Not bad in the trees but again, not nearly optimal

 

My thoughts are that I'd like to get a 98ish for next season as that's narrow enough to be OK on soft groomers and wide enough to get a little surfy on pow for someone at my weight.

post #7 of 8

Just bring the Bones and ski.  You can always demo a wider pow ski if you get a lucky spring dump, or a narrower carver if conditions get super hard.

 

My guess is the Bonafide will be fine for most everything you'll see.

 

Mike

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I've decided to take the Fx 84s along with the Bushwackers.  I'll take both to the mountain each day....I can rent powder skis if necessary.  (You never know...VT just got over a foot last night!)

 

Thanks for all the feedback.

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