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Is a 98 mm waist ski a bad idea for eastern small hill skiing?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 

Sorry...I should know better than to start a thread like this.

 

Been wracking my brains over new skis.  Have it down to Prophet 90 or 98.  I have skied both (well actually the previous version of each) and like both.  Currently on k2 PEs that are getting old.  90 percent of my skiing is at my home "mountain" that's all of 900 feet of vertical and usually hard or groomed...but if there is snow in the woods we will be there.  Enjoy the bumps unless they are ice.

 

So...first, is a 98 mm ski just plain overkill?  Yeah, we take a trip west as often as we can, and hit northern VT now and then, but that's the 10%.

 

And...since I skied the prior versions, how big a difference does the early rise make on the 98 from the 100?

post #2 of 27

I would go with the 90 or even an 85 waisted ski if I only had one pair of skis and skied the east 90% of the time, which pretty much describes my skiing.  A good 80-90 width all mountain ski will handle just about any terrain we usually see, even trees when they are avaiable.

 

I own a 98 waisted ski and would not want it to be my only ski on my smaller hills.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #3 of 27

Looks cool, skis OK, but 80 skis much better on typical groomed.  I like a tighter turning ski for smaller vert skiing.  SL or cheater is best.  But, I admit I like the look of powder specific skis.  I find myself giving up some performance for the steeze factor when NASTAR is not running and there aren't any good bumps either..  It can be fun to rattle around on fat skis when you don't really need them..

post #4 of 27

I much prefer my 98 on a typical slushy day here in the midwest than my 70. I do put both of them in the minivan when I go just in case. Of course there are 98's and then there are 98's. I get much more comments about them on the lifts, so your skiing better look good. In 2013, a hard snow biased 98 is not overkill in my opinion.

post #5 of 27
98 waist is not a good choice for Eastern US skiing . Period . Go narrow
with good ice grip . Volkl is a good choice
post #6 of 27

Yes

 

75-85mm is where I would be if I only could have one pair ( eek.gif ) to use in New England.

post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the sanity check. I see a lot of people on 98's here in the east, even at small hills.  I liked both the Prophet 98, and the Bonafide, but as fun as they were I couldnt' really see having them as my every day ski - but was getting caught up in the hype a bit.

 

Rossi - yep, pretty much stick to one pair.  I'll keep my PE's for rock skis, and go with the Prophet 90's...maybe a little wider than some people would like for a one-ski eastern, but I like the extra stability of the wider ski. Going to the PE's when I did gave me the confidence to really improve my skiing.  I"m just not motivated to have a quiver - I have to tune and wax four pairs for our family, plus my snowboard (!), and that's enough for me - with a quiver I'd spend more time tuning and waxing than skiing.  

 

Unfortunately my local shop is out of Prophet 90's (and 98's) so I"m going to pick it up online.  Found it for $489 including Solly Z12 bindings -- not the flashiest binding, but it's what I'm using now and it works fine for me.  

 

The worst part is by the time I get them we'll probably only have one decent weekend left at our local hill.  I hear vermont is lovely in the springtime :)

post #8 of 27

Have a look at the Rossi e83 or the Blizzard Magnum 8.0 Ti.

These are two of my current favorites for all around Northeast fun.

post #9 of 27
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I hear vermont is lovely in the springtime :)

 

Gore should be able to make it a week or two into April, unless they decide to shut down sooner for $ reasons, or we get a lot of rain. 

 

Both Sugarbush and Killington are offering $200 spring passes to ski the rest of the season.  I am seriously considering buying the Killington spring pass for me and my son.  Last year, after Gore closed, we skied 2 days at Killington and one day at Sugarbush.  I figure if we ski 4 days the pass has paid for itself.

 

STE

post #10 of 27

98 is solid, hoinestly a 100 underfoot ski is perfect for all condidtions.  dont let old people convince you into getting a 85mm wide ski :)

post #11 of 27

"...100 is perfect for all conditions."    For all people, no doubt!  ROTF.gif

post #12 of 27

I think it depends greatly on the ski and as jellybean pointed out 98 works great in slush.  I think if you choose a ski that's stiff enough and has enough a shape (sub-20m turn radius) a 98mm ski is a very viable option.  One of the guys I ski with would rather ski his Bonafides than his MX83's at the local hill 95% of the time.

post #13 of 27

http://lineskis.com/skis/blend-1213  the primest ski for everything

post #14 of 27

I've only got 6 days on my new Mantras at Shawnee Peak (1200' vertical), and have to say that they have been entirely enjoyable. Lots of soft snow 2 weeks ago and wicked firm (a.k.a. ice) last weekend. 

 

My old Kendos are also very enjoyable on the same hill, but the extra width of the Mantras hasn't been a hindrance in any way. 

 

So I say go for it if you want the wider ski, but even if you settle for something in the 88 range, you wont go wrong with that either.

 

I will say that the Mantras felt a little slower edge-to-edge when I did a citizens GS race a few weeks ago.

post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post

"...100 is perfect for all conditions."    For all people, no doubt!  ROTF.gif

Fashionable people who live for their look, anyway.

 

But seriously, this is Epicski. The correct answer to any gear question, from skis to helmets to jackets, pants, gloves, undies and accessories is: Spend your money on boots.

post #16 of 27

Can you get away with a 100mm ski in the east as your everyday ski, sure.

 

Will you enjoy skiing on said 100mm ski everyday, I don't think so.  Icy hard conditions happen regularly in the east and 100mm ski isn't going to handle solid ice well.  You likely could get down the hill, but wouldn't be likely to have much fun doing it.

 

90mm is reasonable as long as it's a turny 90mm ski on firm snow.  Something under 20m radius as others suggested would work.  I'd also make sure it was tuned at least 2 side, 1 base, and preferably 3 side and 1 base for the hard stuff.

 

Something 80-90mm in the waist is a good compromise as long as you keep the edges sharp and don't expect it to carve like a race ski.

 

I'm skiing the Kastle MX88 as my everyday ski and it's working out great.  Would I want a wider ski here, probably not, but I do occasionally wish for a narrower race type ski.  I keep them tuned at 3 base 1 side and they ski great on everything other than boilerplate ice.

 

Mike

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by slipshod View Post

Fashionable people who live for their look, anyway.

But seriously, this is Epicski. The correct answer to any gear question, from skis to helmets to jackets, pants, gloves, undies and accessories is: Spend your money on boots.

well obviously you've never skiied on blends or soulriders...its not about looks hahahahah you people crack me up
post #18 of 27

After you've recovered from cracking up, perhaps you could enlighten us further - is it best to wear a flat-brimed baseball cap twisted sideways to the left or to the right?

post #19 of 27
Well aren't you a bit cranky and judgemental today...i don't even wear flat brims skiing, so take your hate somewhere else, one love
post #20 of 27
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Well aren't you a bit cranky and judgemental today...i don't even wear flat brims skiing, so take your hate somewhere else, one love

 

Notice if you will, he said he didn't wear one SKIING....not that he didn't wear one. roflmao.gif

post #21 of 27

If  you think that's hate, you're in for a real rude shock when the real thing comes along.

post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by JAHRASTAFARI View Post


 hahahahah you people crack me up

 

I've seen this "you people" notion in a few posts from you now.  Perhaps you should take a look at TGR or NS forums, you may find those a bit better suited to your outlook.  That's not an insult, honestly; it's simply a piece of advice you should consider that may make you a bit happier at the end of the day.

 

Good luck regardless.

post #23 of 27

Ease up folks.  I think it's a nice change to get some ounger freedoggers posting here.  No park rats no cry! 

post #24 of 27

Park rats, absolutely; baseless attitude/judgement ....... not so much

post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post

Park rats, absolutely; baseless attitude/judgement ....... not so much


And you were so analytical and objective about everything when you were 12 right?rolleyes.gif

post #26 of 27

Definitely not!  Fortunately, however, I had the benefit of older and wiser souls that did me the favor of smacking me upside the head wink.gif, so I wasn't a complete twit.

post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 

In case y'all missed it, I went with the Prophet 90's.  Had to order online as all sold out locally.  They arrive Wednesday!  

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