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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

So it looks like things are now 3 months into the acquisition by Mountain News Corporation.  Is anyone noticing a difference?

 

I myself have not been as involved in the forum, or skiing for that matter, for the last several years.  What I notice is that apart from a few long term die hards, most of the people I met, admired and befriended no longer post here on a regular basis.

 

This used to be a great place to meet new people who had something to say, find others to ski with, ask questions about gear, get hidden tips on resorts.  When it made the jump to the new format a few years ago, however, I noticed a general decline in interest.

 

Maybe it's just due to the decline of the blogosphere in general.  People just don't seem to take the time to write thoughtful posts or respond anymore.

 

The fact that Vail Resorts now "owns" the website is probably less relevant.  I'm not even sure Vail is aware they own it, apart from a few trademark lawyers.  And it doesn't look like Mountain News is either.  If you go to their website they haven't added a press release.  But then they haven't updated their press releases since 2011 and the link no longer functions.  Also, MNC has only posted here twice since they bought it.

 

I expect this site to enjoy the same kind of benign neglect, and I think it is sad that people don't hang out here anymore.

 

So thanks to everyone I have met here over the years, you know who you are.  And pm me if you are interested in staying in touch.

 

Kaj

post #2 of 14

Still here Kaj!  And while many frequent posters of the past don't post as often or at all, some do and there's some interesting and cool new ones.  I've had the pleasure of meeting some of the new ones and still a great group to for this skier.

 

I'm still skiing out west fairly often, so drop me a line if your going to be doing any skiing in the near or long term.

post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by viking kaj View Post

 

I expect this site to enjoy the same kind of benign neglect, and I think it is sad that people don't hang out here anymore.

 

So thanks to everyone I have met here over the years, you know who you are.  And pm me if you are interested in staying in touch.

 

Kaj

Many that you have met now connect via PM, e-mail or by phone and still manage to get out on the hill together in smaller groups in Summit County.  

 

Most no longer post.

post #4 of 14

I am sorry, but I am confused. The point of this post was, why? You seem to contradict all of your points through the post. confused.gif

post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by viking kaj View Post

So it looks like things are now 3 months into the acquisition by Mountain News Corporation.  Is anyone noticing a difference?

 

I myself have not been as involved in the forum, or skiing for that matter, for the last several years.  What I notice is that apart from a few long term die hards, most of the people I met, admired and befriended no longer post here on a regular basis.

 

This used to be a great place to meet new people who had something to say, find others to ski with, ask questions about gear, get hidden tips on resorts.  When it made the jump to the new format a few years ago, however, I noticed a general decline in interest.

 

Maybe it's just due to the decline of the blogosphere in general.  People just don't seem to take the time to write thoughtful posts or respond anymore.

 

The fact that Vail Resorts now "owns" the website is probably less relevant.  I'm not even sure Vail is aware they own it, apart from a few trademark lawyers.  And it doesn't look like Mountain News is either.  If you go to their website they haven't added a press release.  But then they haven't updated their press releases since 2011 and the link no longer functions.  Also, MNC has only posted here twice since they bought it.

 

I expect this site to enjoy the same kind of benign neglect, and I think it is sad that people don't hang out here anymore.

 

So thanks to everyone I have met here over the years, you know who you are.  And pm me if you are interested in staying in touch.

 

Kaj

 

As predicted more of the same. We march forward. For all the saber rattling about leaving, I don't think many have because of the ownership change. Overall the number of page views and posts for EpicSki continue to grow, I just think less people from when you joined are involved. I've only been here since 2009, so I was after the change to Huddler. I do notice looking at the all time top posters many are no longer active (ssh, Bonni, Yuki isn't around much), but others like crgildart, philpug, cirquerider, and trekchick continue to push the post count onward and upwards. New blood like myself join in and we continue to grow as a community. 

 

It happens, you can only read so much about skiing without getting bored and eventually some people move on and don't post much anymore. A shocking number do lurk and read though. 

post #6 of 14

Viking Kaj

 

Why, specifically, have you discontinued posting? Perhaps someone could start a poll aimed at those who are now quiet to determine the most prevalent reasons for not posting, but, we are all individuals and big people who really don't need to post on an internet website. I think it a little shallow to state "I don't post because people I enjoy don't post". 

 

My opinion is that the change to Huddler may have had some rough spots, but, the old platform was,.....well.....old and needed upgrade. The Mountain News change, has not changed anything I've noticed. I believe at some point, most will just move-on or lurk, and, be replaced with new voices. No big deal.

post #7 of 14

Hi Kaj. It's nice of you to stay attuned to the happenings here at EpicSki. I too have noticed a decline in posting behavior of members as their tenure increases. I think we run out of things to say. I know my post count and content quality have declined, but that's okay, others are putting so much good stuff into these forums, reviews, galleries, articles, etc. that it's all I can do to keep up with it. The joint is jumping. Gatherings are going strong. We had a nice one at Blue Knob, another in Northern Vermont, and coming up next Bridger-Big Sky-Moonlight Basin March 25-29. I guess it all depends on one's perspective if EpicSki has improved with time.  

 

 

 

 

 

Does it matter who owns EpicSki -- or how we keep it going -- so long as it continues to exist?

post #8 of 14

Considering over 50 people are headed to Montana next week (not exactly the easiest place to get to) I'd say there's still plenty of interest.

post #9 of 14

Kaj, nice to see you drop by. No doubt the site is evolving as are its members.  I think if we ran an age poll today we would see a shift to a younger demographic than we had five years ago.  We have tried to keep existing members involved in creating content of interest and have brought in younger staff members like Tyler and DeAnn to try to reflect the changes that naturally occur as a community ages.  Some retire, more take their place, and we no longer use modems or BBCode.  th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

I think you'd find more is the same than different, and you will always get back out proportional to what you put in.  As far as changes in ownership, I haven't seen anything at all from where I sit, and I see most everything.

post #10 of 14
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I am sorry, but I am confused. The point of this post was, why? You seem to contradict all of your points through the post. confused.gif

 

I'm Oblio, pointless.  Just me and my dog arrow...

 

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post #11 of 14
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Viking Kaj

 

Why, specifically, have you discontinued posting? Perhaps someone could start a poll aimed at those who are now quiet to determine the most prevalent reasons for not posting, but, we are all individuals and big people who really don't need to post on an internet website. I think it a little shallow to state "I don't post because people I enjoy don't post". 

 

 

 

A few years back my then 17-year-old daughter was the subject of on line stalking due to someone who saw her picture posted on Epicski.

 

Since then I have kept an eye out on the site, but it kind of dampened my enthusiasm for things.

 

What I have noticed is that a lot of the people I knew and used to ski with no longer post, and haven't for quite some time.

 

Kaj

post #12 of 14

^^^ Did you have a different user name closer to your real name back then?  I sometimes wonder if the benefits of putting ourselves out on public display on the internet are worth the risks associated with crack pots becoming obsessed with us instead of someone else.  However, my kids have already been on public television, the local news, and other very public news outlets with credits mentioning their full names.  I see the risks as not that different than the risks of leaving the house for anything else.  I do suppose that any links here from the multitude of Vail owned resort pages could increase fresh traffic quite a bit around here..

 

 

Remember the "Phone Book" scene from The Jerk?

 

post #13 of 14
Hi VK--good to "see" you around here again.

I tend to agree with you that it seems most at Vail Resorts may not even realize that they own EpicSki.com. There have been no changes whatsoever, as far as I can tell, in editorial direction or content. In fact, as you point out, Mountain News Corporation (subsidiary of Vail that officially owns EpicSki) does not even mention or link to EpicSki on their site, that I can find--not even in the "Internet Content Distribution for Ski Resorts" section or the "Media Partners" links page. That surprises me, actually, but I'm not sure it disappoints me.

There is one interesting document on the Mountain News website that describes their own relationship with the Parent Company (Vail) since they themselves were purchased by Vail Resorts in 2011: Vail Resorts Conduct Protocol with Mountain News Corporation

Excerpts:
  • "The Vail Resorts family of companies ... and Mountain News Corporation ... have adopted the following protocol to preserve the editorial independence of MNC and to promote credibility of all of MNC’s products:
  • "MNC will treat Vail Resorts’ hotels, resorts, businesses and properties ... in the same manner it treats businesses that are competitive with
    Vail Resorts."
  • "Vail Resorts will not interfere or exert any influence on MNC’s editorial coverage of VR Properties or VR Competitors."
  • "Employees and representatives of Vail Resorts may not discuss MNC editorial content with MNC staff ..." [with certain specified exceptions]

This "hands-off" editorial policy by Vail is refreshing, and has apparently extended beyond Mountain News Corporation to its own subsidiaries--namely, EpicSki--as promised.

As far as I can see, EpicSki is virtually unchanged since being bought by Vail, other than perhaps enjoying somewhat deeper pockets to help finance continued improvement when opportunities arise. Editorially, there is no pressure whatsoever that I've seen from Vail to influence content, in any way. I think that's a good thing, allowing EpicSki to continue to provide an unbiased source of information for skiers everywhere.

Now, if we could only get rid of the Internet and its associated "noise" levels....

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Best regards,
Bob
post #14 of 14

Hey VK, you will find quite a bit of banter on some of the newer area's like "what are you drinking?" Which isn't just about booze, there's a lot of good conversation there, The Politics area is always fun and for a politics section, its pretty respectful and civil. It also has some good threads that are less political in nature but thought provoking.  The Picture of the day section is a gem. Beyond pictures, its a great way to see where other's live and play. Its one of my favorites. So I would suggest that even for lurking sake, take a look at some of the newer non-ski areas. Good stuff.  

 

Cheers! 

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