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post #31 of 74
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Pretty much only people on tech bindings who aren't exhausted from carrying the extra weight.  biggrin.gif

Hey we aren't all iron men! tongue.gif

post #32 of 74
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

Those are Dynafit bindings, I'm pretty sure they're the Vertical ST with a maximum release value of DIN 10.  eek.gif   


Well, the French don't value life like more civilized countries do.  wink.gif

Great video, thanks!


Pretty much only people on tech bindings who aren't exhausted from carrying the extra weight.  biggrin.gif

I would bet those toes re locked out in a "you fall, you die" scenario.

But we can keep posting that video in every thread desperately wishing for it to be relevant to the conversation at hand.
post #33 of 74
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Those are Dynafit bindings, I'm pretty sure they're the Vertical ST with a maximum release value of DIN 10.  eek.gif   

Well, the French don't value life like more civilized countries do.  wink.gif

Great video, thanks!

Pretty much only people on tech bindings who aren't exhausted from carrying the extra weight.  biggrin.gif

I would bet those toes re locked out in a "you fall, you die" scenario.

But we can keep posting that video in every thread desperately wishing for it to be relevant to the conversation at hand.

 

Yeah, his toe pieces were locked, but that only affects the lateral release, not the forward release.  You can still go over the handlebars and come out of the heels with the toe pieces locked.

 

 But so what?  People skiing YF,YD stuff crank their bindings release way up, no matter the brand.  Point being, you can count on Dynafit bindings even the ones that only go to 10.  

post #34 of 74

There is one thing I'm not getting with all my AT world ignorance! Wouldn't a solution like SI&I drastically limit the boot options?

 

What kinda alpine din bindings is compatible with say Dynafit or Scarpa's most used boots?

post #35 of 74

Have limited backcountry experience, but I find myself agreeing with Whiteroom and Bob L. Seems like the answer to a question that only a small number of people will ask and then buy: Why can't I have a very versatile, no compromise, touring setup for my burly 130 flex alpine boots with no walk mode? The ad could pattern after a Marines commercial, the few, the strong, the indifferent to pain. Hmmm. Maybe it'll be the new sexy resort Duke setup that never sees a pair of skins...

 

Or will they be willing to use their current touring boots but make them DIN spec for the alpine toepieces, and then accept a no-compromise downhill binding with a compromised boot? 

 

Seems like more of the One Ski to Rule Them All gamechanger, only now a binding. Persistent fantasy so we don't ever have to make choices...wink.gif

post #36 of 74

It was mentioned earlier in this thread but no one posted the link, here's Marshal's super indepth review of the Dyna Beast.  Also a very educational read about bindings in general and tech vs. DH, etc.

 

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/update-dynafit-beast-16-at-binding

post #37 of 74
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It was mentioned earlier in this thread but no one posted the link, here's Marshal's super indepth review of the Dyna Beast.  Also a very educational read about bindings in general and tech vs. DH, etc.

 

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/update-dynafit-beast-16-at-binding

That was an excellent write up. To me, the benefits just don't outweigh the cost. For a grand I could have a damn nice, COMPLETE, touring setup. Whether it's an A/T binding or this new plate system(assuming I already have the alpine binding of choice).

 

The question for me is, is it possible to modify a regular alpine boot to accept a tech toe piece? Keeping in mind that it would strictly be used for skinning only.

post #38 of 74
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The question for me is, is it possible to modify a regular alpine boot to accept a tech toe piece? Keeping in mind that it would strictly be used for skinning only.

 

It's probably not something you'd want to try.  That's what the Tecnica Cochise line and upcoming K2 boots are for (both can do DIN / Tech bindings).  And I think the Lange XT will have swappable soles in next season's version.  Not sure if Solly Quest Max and Fischer Ranger Soma are doing the same or not.  They aren't racing level alpine boots but some are as stiff as your average free ride boot.

post #39 of 74
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The question for me is, is it possible to modify a regular alpine boot to accept a tech toe piece? Keeping in mind that it would strictly be used for skinning only.

 

Not really, but you can buy boots with swappable alpine/tech soles.  

post #40 of 74

Scarpa Freedom would be another option next season

post #41 of 74
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The question for me is, is it possible to modify a regular alpine boot to accept a tech toe piece? Keeping in mind that it would strictly be used for skinning only.

 

Possibly, but why would you? I can't imagine skinning far with my alpine boots.

post #42 of 74

You guys really have done nothing but glaze over the info about this "solution".
 

post #43 of 74
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You guys really have done nothing but glaze over the info about this "solution".

 

Please, do add something that doesn't "glaze over" then.  

post #44 of 74
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You guys really have done nothing but glaze over the info about this "solution".
 

 

I think it's a great no compromise solution for long tours and hard-core / powerful downhill skiers.  I just don't think there will be much of a market for it.

post #45 of 74
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Please, do add something that doesn't "glaze over" then.  


 

See how easily the inserts question is answered.

post #46 of 74
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

 

Please, do add something that doesn't "glaze over" then.  


 

See how easily the inserts question is answered.

 

Well, I'll be.  That's the first I've ever seen of that.  Know anyone that's used that or seen any tests?  Kind of puts me in the mind of those Salomon touring boots that failed pretty badly a few years ago.  

 

I'm off to google up some research on those.  

 

Edited to add: awfully new system/procedure from what I've been able to pull up so far.

post #47 of 74
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See how easily the inserts question is answered.

Nice! Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm a small guy, so soft alpine boots work for me. I've done quite a bit of hiking in my boots without even loosening them and have had no problems so far. If I could get them to accept the tech toe I think they would work. I also live in the east so the tours would not be as long as they are out west.

post #48 of 74

Well that video glazes over how the tech insert is made and how the pin holes are attached to the plate.

Care to add the donut hole?

 

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The question for me is, is it possible to modify a regular alpine boot to accept a tech toe piece? Keeping in mind that it would strictly be used for skinning only.

150$ : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/299047004/siandi-alpine-ski-touring-system

 

post #49 of 74
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Nice! Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm a small guy, so soft alpine boots work for me. I've done quite a bit of hiking in my boots without even loosening them and have had no problems so far. If I could get them to accept the tech toe I think they would work. I also live in the east so the tours would not be as long as they are out west.

Where do you tour in the east? ADK's tours can be long and brutal.

post #50 of 74
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Nice! Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm a small guy, so soft alpine boots work for me. I've done quite a bit of hiking in my boots without even loosening them and have had no problems so far. If I could get them to accept the tech toe I think they would work. I also live in the east so the tours would not be as long as they are out west.

 

Well, if you're a small guy then the downhill performance compromises of a light AT boot would also be less of a compromise.

post #51 of 74
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Where do you tour in the east? ADK's tours can be long and brutal.

If I were to get a setup made probably around Stowe and Bolton, maybe Camel's Hump. When I hiked Stowe about a month ago there were a bunch of guys coming up the back side and it looked like a real nice skin.

post #52 of 74
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Well, if you're a small guy then the downhill performance compromises of a light AT boot would also be less of a compromise.

True, but that would also mean new boots, more money. 

post #53 of 74
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Didn't mean to post three times in a row but I forgot to post this article I came across.

http://www.wildsnow.com/9353/cast-ski-binding/

post #54 of 74
I can't believe you fossils aren't talking about the next step- heel slider plates too.

Imagine having ONE pair of bindings for all your skis, and the ability to click them in in about 20 seconds? How about using the same ski for resort and touring? You could swap between full dh and low tech bindings in the same amount of time.

Or we could all just be Internet nitpickers
post #55 of 74
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I can't believe you fossils aren't talking about the next step- heel slider plates too.

Imagine having ONE pair of bindings for all your skis, and the ability to click them in in about 20 seconds? How about using the same ski for resort and touring? You could swap between full dh and low tech bindings in the same amount of time.

Or we could all just be Internet nitpickers

 

Why would you want only one pair of bindings? th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #56 of 74
They're expensive??? If I could use the same bindings on all my skis by just buying the female plates, that's pretty huge.

That said its really more about the ability to swap from alpine to full low tech to me. I only really ski one pair of skis anymore, so being able to swap between my FKS and my low techs in a few seconds without effecting the flex of the ski or messing with inserts would be infinitely awesome. Otherwise it's 15 mins of messing with screws and loctite tape in a cold parking lot, or bringing two sets of skis.

It does crack me up that everyone acts like shaving down a little vibram to use AFDs is impossible though.
post #57 of 74
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

Well, I'll be.  That's the first I've ever seen of that.  Know anyone that's used that or seen any tests?  Kind of puts me in the mind of those Salomon touring boots that failed pretty badly a few years ago.  

I'm off to google up some research on those.  

Edited to add: awfully new system/procedure from what I've been able to pull up so far.



YOU DO NOT SKI DOWNHILL ON DH BOOTS INSERTED BY THIS PROCESS.

It is for uphill only, and completely for people who want the low tech stride uphill and also want to use the FKS on the downhill in the current iteration of the system.



I must say- I'm continuously baffled at how misinformed people are on this whole CAST thing. It's really not all that complicated. I'm kind of heartbroken that people are just waving off this extremely well thought out and executed plate system because it isn't exactly what they want right off the bat though. Shame. I really hope this emerging technology doesn't go to the wayside because people are so freakin shortsighted and Internet jaded to just expect instant perfection nowadays.
post #58 of 74
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

I can't believe you fossils aren't talking about the next step- heel slider plates too.

Imagine having ONE pair of bindings for all your skis, and the ability to click them in in about 20 seconds? How about using the same ski for resort and touring? You could swap between full dh and low tech bindings in the same amount of time.

Or we could all just be Internet nitpickers


No way dude, this is EpicSki.  I want a whole quiver of different bindings that I can use on any one pair of skis.

 

Seriously though, imagine the travel possibilities if you have a quiver of skis and one or two sets interchangeable pair of bindings you'd actually pack in your boot bag and stack the skis packed in a one pair ski bag or sport tube..

 

Not talking about tap inserts either, instead a snap on type interface..

 

You're a welder right?  How strong/solid do you think that product is?

post #59 of 74
Hey DoWork! Good to see you here So you're saying one doesn't ski downhill with the tech inserts?
Well that is a big misconception. Makes sense cause you wouldn't be able to get your heel flat + tech plate holes adhesion to boot is something I wonder about.

What about these toe plate tech inserts with a straight Dynafit setup??
post #60 of 74
Cgril, VIST has had Speedlock for years. If they weren't so quirky Italian you might see a lot more around. Very quick binding change heel and toe. There is a plate though.
One of several:
http://www.epicski.com/t/97969/vist-bindings-speedlock
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