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Volkl P50 GS Racing

post #1 of 45
Thread Starter 
Ski Make: Volkl
Ski Model: P50 GS Racing
Ski Length: 173cm
Snow Conditions Used In: wet granular/ice
Number of Days Used: 1
Your Ability: expert/racer
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 10
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 60ish
Other Skis You Like: Elan SLX, Salomon 3V, Rossi 9S, Rossi 9X
Your Height/Weight: 5'7"/150

Well i decided to give them a whirl... I found this ski to have very good edgehold and be able to be turned on a dime. It was very light weight and VERY soft. It felt like there wasnt enough ski underneath me even though the edges held. It seemed that i could easily over power it. I would like to try the 178cm length in order to see if it is more ski. If you were looking for a ski to use as an all mountain or everyday cruiser ski in the east i would say to try this ski in a short length like the 173. It does turn well and it does lock into a turn, but i cant see myself racing on it and being fast, it jsut didnt feel like much ski. I think that i would enjoy a pair for free skiing because they do everything very easily. Although due to their light weight and light tip and tail they tend to get kicked around if you arent paying attention. Usually the more you put into a race ski the more you get out, but this ski did not have those properties. They seemed to do everything for you and if you tried to push them they didnt like it, but you wont find yourself washing out of turns, they had edgehold comparable to previous GS skis i have been on. If i were to race on volkls i would not be on this ski, its just not fast. Im sure their sandwich construction stocks are more energetic, and less mushy feeling.



ps. I traded skis with a volkl/Rossi skier and he was reluctant to give me my Elan SLX's back to me.
post #2 of 45
I've got a new pair of 182cm P50GSR's with the motion system. I haven't tried em yet. I'm having a hard time putting aside my Rossi T-Power 9S's.
I am also wondering if I made a mistake in not getting the race stockers.
I'll give my 2 cents when I've tried them.
post #3 of 45
Thread Starter 
Sure they arent 183's?? Good luck with them, i would have gone with the P50 stock - not race room - stock, vertical sidewall, the whole bit. Depending on what kind of racing youre doing it may not be a huge issue, and if youre using them for all mountain skiing you will enjoy them. I just didnt find them to be a great course ski for how i ski. Good luck with yours. I'll probably get to run courses on them (and others) this season so ill keep reporting.
post #4 of 45
Let me shed a bit of light here. Volkl doesn't have "race room" skis anymore. They are either race stock or they aren't. Contrary to what Heluva has found, I think the P50s are fast, light, quick, and full of energy. By light, I mean they ski light, not lightweight to pick up. As usual, they also have phenomenal edge grip.
I have found a few limitations of the ski..... slow speeds and soft snow. The harder the snow, the better the grip and rebound. Also, the skis need to go fast. They really don't come alive until you're up to speed.
I have the race stock model and my wife has the store stock. The race stock is definitely a bit stiffer, but the flex pattern seems consistent between the two. The dimensions are identical, and the construction is very similar under the topsheet. Although the store model has a cosmetic cap, it is just that, cosmetic. Underneath is the trademark Volkl wood, metal torsion box construction.
Both models ski very similarly, although the store model is a bit more forgiving, versatile and better in softer snow. In my opinion, very few people require the race stock ski, myself included. Its nice to have, and its performance in the course has been great, but I'm sure I would be just as fast on the store model. As would most people.
post #5 of 45
HeluvaSkier, do not try the 178, try the 183cm for your weight. Volkls have a more traditional feel and should be long. As UP racer said, complaints are usually about how much effort and speed are required to wake them up. I am 165 lbs and ski the F1 at 188cm. This year I am on GS:11.21 which feels quicker in the arc (initiation, etc) but Volkl still has the edge in grip and same stability. (Note: I am referring to last season's F1).
post #6 of 45
Thread Starter 
Yo UP, there are race room and race sotck volkls. And they are totally different skis. They produce the regular model skis for stores, then they produce a ski with similar construction but different dimensions as the race room ski. Last year they had the slalom with the same construction and topsheet but the race room/stock, as you call it, had that goofy tip on it. Volkl also makes a real ski... aka vertical sidewall, no cap, no 3D sidecut, no titanium tubes er whatever they throw under the top sheets to make the top have a profile. they are just a plain real race stock ski, no motion nothing. And i suspect that those skis would ski more solid than the P50 i tried. If you dont believe me make a trip to Snow Country in Rochester NY and take a gander at them yourself... or travel to a race, USSA, USCSA and see the athletes on them... or you could always free ski with Fred, the head eastern race rep for technica and volkl, and look at the slalom and GS skis attached to his feet. Those are some real boards. If its okay with you, those are the ones id like to try. Now if those are the skis you own then first of all congrats on possibly finding a good ski from volkl, and second, learn your company and its offerings. You didnt think that all the top USSA racers that are sponsored and the D1,2, and 3 college racers that are sponsored are all on the same ski youre on did you?? Just because your ski has that yellow sticker from the race room with flex #'s on it doesnt make it a race stock ski.

Anyhow back to the task at hand. You saw my review, yes i skied plenty fast enough. I thought they were soft and too light weight (not the feel i mean the ski itself - but they do ski light too - as in they dont like to be powered so much). they did have edgehold, i'll give them that, and they were very smooth, but a race ski... not quite. Thats why i want to ski on the true race stock boards in a length around a 180, just to see how they ski. If i find a pair to get on ill report back. Probably the motion plate attched to a stiffer ski wouldnt feel so mushy, it deffinitly is at home on a GS ski though (versus slalom).

Oh one more thing, no one is out on volkls this year, at least not for racing. I found one pair of new ones on the feet on an instructor and racer, but he races on his rossi race stock boards (yep vertical sidewall and sandwich construction here too). The shelf model volkls just arent that fast anymore, maybe at one time they were, but not anymore. they may have a following and thats great, but there are much better skis on the market right now that will get you down the hill a lot faster than on volkls. Try some other skis UP, you'll see what i mean, you'll be screaming for anything but a volkl in the race course. In the mean time, the rest of the non volkl skiing population will be screaming by you in the course. When the seconds are what counts, being brand loyal is not important.
post #7 of 45
Yo, Heluva,
everything I said in my above review still applies..... You are right, last year Volkl did have a "race room" ski. This year they do not. They have store stock or World Cup. Mine are World cup. No motion system, no cap, vertical sidewall, flat topsheet,sandwich construction, World cup Piston Plate. And everything I said in my above post still applies. They are very similar to the store model. More stable, better grip, stiffer, but a similar feel. Underneath the EnergY profile, wrap around sidewalls, motion rails etc. (which are done for marketing) Volkl store skis are a sandwich construction underneath it all.
As far as your comment on no racers being on Volkl.... that was kind of a broad, unfounded, ignorant comment. Maybe at your ski area, or in your region, a lot of racers aren't on Volkl. Where I ski, lots of racers are on them. Around here, virtually no one skis on Atomic. But I wouldn't be so presumptuous to assume that that is the case everywhere. Often, junior racers end up on the skis their local shop carries and the most popular skis are the ones the "fast, older kids are on." This pattern continues until the hot, fast youngster with a different brand comes up through the ranks and changes everyones mind. "It must be the skis."
I know you think that you need the same level skis as Hermann Maier to be fast, but I find it hard to believe that a 145 pound superstar like yourself finds "store" skis "mushy." I hope your FIS points are under 50. Then I'll put some stock in your reviews.
post #8 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hey, they felt mushy, shoot me. Okay, in western NY, i havent seen anyone on volkls this year. Race stock skis are so easy to get anymore and so much better of a ski than a store ski that nearly every racer i know is on them. Even you ski on them, and im certain that you arent at the level of any world cup racer, nor are many of the other people that ski on race stock skis. This doesnt make them bad skiers, and it sure as hell doesnt make them not worthy of the equipement. Many of the racers on race stock skis are incredible skiers, and by the time they are your age they will ski better than you will ever skied in your life.

When it comes right down to it, im just not fast on volkls. I dont ski what the next guys skis on. I havent seen anyone with my same skis on all season. I ski on what makes me fast. That just happens to be Elan for Slalom and Salomon for GS. If i was brand loyal id still be on all Salomon skis, or all Elan skis. In my area no one is on either of them. Mostly this season its rossignol, dynastar, and fischer. There are a few others thrown in the mix here and there but thats the majority. I look foreward to racing the guy on his volkls this season if he in fact races on them instead of his rossis. Dont doubt my ability either. You would be sadly mistaken if you thought that my technique and strength were not enough to ski on a volkl gs ski. If you saw me ski you would probably be re-evaluate your own skiing technique. And if not, then youd recognize that i am capable of telling what i like in a ski and what i dont like, because i make them work. If youre still to blind to see then let the clock decide. I might sound cocky but you shouldnt cross that line and assume anything about me without seeing me ski first. And just because i only weigh 150 pounds should mean nothing, cuz you dont know.

post #9 of 45
Could you send me an instructional video? I'd like to re-evaluate my own skiing technique. Once someone gets to be my age, everything starts to go. First the memory, hearing, muscles deteriorate. I figure it would be best if I just started fresh.
I've already been on the horn to see if I can round up a pair of Ivica Kostolic's Salomon's. And I'm not talking about the normal, world cup stock. I mean the actual ones he skis on. I think only those will be high performance enough for me. In the meantime, if you really want to evaluate a good pair of Volkls, you should try to get a hold of a pair of Sonja Nef's skis. You're about her size...
post #10 of 45
FWIW-most of the racers where I ski are on volkls this year.
post #11 of 45
Thread Starter 
For not knowing much, you have a lot of talk. But i think my time is better spent on the hill. I refuse to waste my time arguing with a masters racer who is pissed cuz he never made it. Nor do i think i have to prove my ability over an online forum. I evaluated the skis, you made assumptions about my skiing which are far from correct. I'm not sure if youre insecure about your skis or your skiing at this point. Quite frankly i dont really care so much, my review stands, as does my experience with volkl race skis. Maybe the 178 or 183 ski better than the 173, i would guess that they would feel more stable and like more ski. Anyhow, I'm not impressed with you at all. True good skiers dont go around shooting off their mouths about how wonderful they are, cuz someone's always better, and insults cuz i dont like your skis, come on get a life. Go find some junior racer to pick on at your hill or something; go harass them about how they ski, tell them how good you are compared to them... is that your competition level?? There are a lot of people that sit silent in this forum too, while you shoot off your mouth about how "perfect" your technique is. Not you or anybody else here needs to know how i ski. I dont really care. If you think youre the best then hey by all means sit at home in front of your computer with a big smile on yer face and say youre the best skier out there; hell why dont you change your epic ski profile to "the best skier ever."
I'm out, gotta go train after my final tomorrow so i can be at your level of skiing, HA.

ps. BG, do you ski at Lab?? i see youre from syracuse. one of my team mates told me that the Lab team was running a lot of SLX's this year, she trained with them in Tremblant over thanksgiving. Not sure what they are on for GS though. Togenburg has always seemed to be a big Volkl hill. Last year Kissing-Bridge was too but they seem to have dwindeled this year, giving way to a lot of dynastar. the first race this year will be interesting to see what people from the different hills are on. Is K2 still big over there too??
post #12 of 45
[quote]Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Dont doubt my ability either. You would be sadly mistaken if you thought that my technique and strength were not enough to ski on a volkl gs ski. If you saw me ski you would probably be re-evaluate your own skiing technique.

I'm not the one who said that. In fact, I haven't even really mentioned my ability. Just my opinion on skis. Fact is, I rarely race at all anymore, but I enjoy it.

.....so, your points ARE under 50?
post #13 of 45
Thread Starter 
Won't let it die will you. Just keep coming back for more?? You doubted how i skied on the volkls so dont pretend you didnt. And when the points are under 50, you will be the first person i inform, infact at the end of this season i will send you a copy of all of my finishes if it means that much to you. Although, how well i free skied on a pair of skis should not be determined by my finshes, but it could prove my point. I just didnt think the skis were that fast. You seem to have taken it rather personally, now if you built the ski id understand that. But for real, come on now, its just a pair of skis.
And get back to work and stop coming back here every half hour to see if i taunted you any more, you must have something better to do, i got a physics final to study for. I'll hit you back tonight if i get the chance, if not, you might have to wait a few days... go skiing or something.
post #14 of 45
Boys, Boys, Boys...lets all play nice.

If you are serious about your racing then without exception you should ski on whatever stick the clock says you're fastest on...period. If you are casually competitive then use whatever ski puts a smile on your face. It's really no more complicated than that.

However, you don't need to be a WC racer to reap the benefits of a race-stock ski. There's no denying the exponentially greater edge-hold and power of real ski. In most cases the retail ski is a mere shadow of its stock counterpart.

I'm a fairly big guy at 6'2" 200lbs and along with many other racers, have overpowered retail GS skis. Last year I had a chance to test a lot of race skis on the same day, in the same rock-hard course in Europe. The Rossi 9X was an absolute joke. It felt like a limp noodle groomer cruiser that had no business in the gates. Any competent racer would easily arrive at the same conclusion. The Salomon 2V was the same story. I tried it at home at it felt like a smooth high-speed rec ski. When I tried the race-stock version I was quite impressed with its grip and power. It turned out to be a totally different ski. I had my FIS points in the low 90's in 1989-90 and have been to the Masters Nationals three times. I'm a cheap hack by elite level standards but can certainly appreciate and competently use a stock ski.

At last years JO's there were an awful lot of kids on stock skis and they were pretty damn quick. I don't think they were out of line or "posing" by using top shelf skis. Any coach worth his salt is not going to let his kids use equipment that will hold them back. So, clearly you don't have to be monster to benefit from a better constructed ski. (As an aside, a much bigger problem than the use of stock skis is the fact that too many racers are using boots that are waaaay too stiff for them. It's comical to see the number of people who can't flex their boots. I digress)

The shelf models are made for the masses, not necessarily serious racers. It's no secret that a solid racer skis technically better and more aggressively than your avaerage Joe non-racer. The average Joe may have bought the retail race ski because he can overpower the companies rec. race ski. It only stands to reason that the racer, who skis exclusively on fast, icy and difficult courses can overpower the retail race ski hence, he needs something more.

In my opinion, I think that people have an attitude about race-stock skis simply because they are not available to the public. If they were sold on the shelves right next to the normal race skis nobody would be questioning anyone elses "worthiness" to own them.

Undeniably, some retail GS race skis are completely undewhelming and not nearly enough ski when pushed (Rossi, Dynastar, Salomon). That's a fact. Other companies make retail GS skis which are mother f***ing beasts that demand skill and power to stay on top of (Stockli, Elan, and to a certain degree, Nordica). Sometimes a race-stock board is the appropriate choice. (Notice how I diplomatically omitted Volkl from either catagory )

Again, if you are highly competitive test as many skis as you can during timed runs. If you do that your choice will be made by the clock. If you are not as serious then buy whatever the hell you like. Some skis are better than others.

By the way, if this is any indication of what racers think of a ski, Elan in completely out of their race skis for the year as of last week. Perhaps other companies are also out, I don't know, but Elan is for sure.
post #15 of 45
I already know your opinion on Volkl.
They work well for me. I'll just leave it at that. I haven't skied most race stock skis, but I totally agree about the unimpressive ones (rossi, dynastar, and salomon) Good skis, but lacking in the course. One ski I have tried in a stock version is the Fischer. Everyone raves about that ski, but I don't find it to be that great. (the slalom, on the other hand.....sweet!)
Anyway, I guess that's why there are so many ski companies, everyone skis a little different.
Well, washed up masters racer signing out...

P.S. --bad news for me, I got evaluated by one of our local coaches..... I'm a heckuva skier at absolute best.
post #16 of 45
Why don't you boys get together in a room and flail one another with your purses. After that, you can stick out your tongues at each other and diss each other's fashion sense.
post #17 of 45
I would, but it will have to be after the holidays. I just got my nails done for a Christmas party.
post #18 of 45
Hey Greg,

Go easy on the "masters racer" comments...ouch [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Go check out one of the NY Masters races and watch the Sarkis brothers and Pepi Neubauer. Those guys will show you that matsers racing is not just for pretenders

PS. I have about 10 days on the SLXT's and they are stupid good. I sold my 154 and 162's and scored two more pair of 160 T's for next year. They rip the groomed stuff like no other and just beg to be fed more power in the gates. They always seem to have something left no matter how hard you push them. I honestly think that it might the greatest ski ever made. Oh yeah, I'm happy to report that there are no signs of reverse camber.
post #19 of 45
Thread Starter 
Good, im glad to hear that, i havent been on mine yet. Ive just been skiing the regular 154's. They rip as well, i cant wait to ski the T. I left them at home after thanksgiving because hauling all of that equipement for such a short time is just a hassle, and i wasnt going to be doing any serious training. How does the T compare to the regular model? Just so i know what to expect from them. The first thing i do when i get home providing the snow is up to par is taking some runs on both of my race skis. I'm really excited about the stock Salomon GS ski; at a 182 it should be a crazy fun (and fast) ski. Tomorrow is the last final!!!! Then im on the slopes for 3 weeks straight, mostly training slalom.

Oh U.P., if i cared how you skied i would come give you lessons, but you dont see me doing that do you, so DROP IT. Good god youre worse than a young teenaged snowboarder that won't stop yelling from the lift at every person that skis by.

When i try the race stock P50's ill start a new thread and maybe ill put in a disclaimer or something so no one is offended by my experience with their skis.

post #20 of 45
Heluva-yup I ski at Lab. I haven't noticed too many of the racers on Elans-but I haven't been looking too hard-I did notice a bunch of them on Volkls sunday. Seems like atomics were the favored ski of the team until 3 or 4 years ago-then they switched to volkls and they've been on 'em since-volkls & tecnicas. K2s & dynastars seem to have disappeared around here.
post #21 of 45
Thread Starter 
I guess there are a lot of elans up that way, the rep i got mine from said that he sold a lot of them there and my team mate said that a lot of the kids had them in tremblant. Just as long as none of the college racers are on them id ont dont care... i like not to have to compete with other people who have my skis... Youre right thougha bout atomic and volkl being popular there. Both skiers on our team last year from Lab, both had a pair of volkls. One of them had Atomic 9.20's for GS as well, the other girl had rossis for slalom... seeing many of those around?? If i see one more rossignol at greek peak i think i might vomit, entirely too many of them bouncin around; But i spose its better than Elan . There was a lot of atomic out of there last year, especially from the coaches and instructors. I remember a few of them at the Heib at Greek.
Okay, back to the books.
post #22 of 45
Hi All:
May I add an analysis on this topic which is backed up by some research and not dependent on my own narrow opinions?

In order to evaluate which skis are fast and which are not, examine who is winning FIS points and on which gear. Below is a summary of men's points in DH, GS and SL: this data is from the latest FIS points list issued on 1/3/03 at

FIS Points and ski brands
Event: DH

EBERHARTER StephanAtomicLangeAtomic
STROBL FritzSalomonSalomonSalomon
AAMODT KjetilNordicaNordicaTyrolia
WALCHHOFER MichaelAtomicLangeAtomic
TRINKL HannesHeadLangeTyrolia
CAVEGN FrancoHeadAtomicTyrolia
KROELL KlausHeadTecnicaTyrolia

Event: GS
VON GRUENIGEN MichaelFischerLangeMarker
MILLER BodeRossiNordicaRossignol
EBERHARTER StephanAtomicLangeAtomic
COVILI FredericSalomonSalomonSalomon
RAICH BenjaminAtomicLangeAtomic
CUCHE DidierAtomicLangeAtomic
NYBERG FredrikSalomonSalomonSalomon

Event: SL
KOSTELIC IvicaSalomonSalomonSalomon
VIDAL Jean-PierreDynastarLangeLook
MILLER BodeRossiNordicaRossignol
SCHOENFELDER RainerFischerNordicaAtomic
ROCCA GiorgioNordicaNordicaRossignol
SCHILCHEGGER HeinzAtomicLangeAtomic
KUNC MitjaElanLangeAtomic

Please note that no FIS points are won on Volkl for men in the top seven competitors in each desipline. An examination of FIS points, deeper into the standings that the top seven, will reveal a stronger Fischer presence, equal to Atomic. Rossignol is winning some SL points. Volkl is only reperesented in the women's standings.

However, the choice of skis and binding plates in the World Cup may not provide the best guidance for racers at levels below Nor-Am and Europa Cup. quoting from an article in Ski Racing last year, titled Bingings and Plates 2002:

"Do you need World Cup plates?

It’s easy to think you’re getting duped when a factory rep tells you that you’ll be better off on their in-line plate than their World Cup plate (particularly if he doesn’t have any World Cup plates to sell you). But these days, companies make an array of plates to serve different segments of the racing population.

Different levels of skiers place different demands on their equipment. On the men’s World Cup, racers are pulling some four Gs on a surface that’s almost always ice. Though that’s what Salomon’s Hangl plates were designed for, numerous clubs put pressure on U.S. race director Billy Farwig to import them, even though he warned they were $270 a pop. When the shipment of 80 finally arrived, “Half of them said they didn’t want them anymore because they were too expensive,” said Farwig. “And half of the ones that bought them wanted to trade them back for our other plate because they didn’t like the way they skied.”

The moral: Heed the wisdom of the experts. And be careful what you beg for."

My point is that perfectly carved turns are faster than turns that must be forced by a racer that is not on a firm enough course and not at high enough speeds. It may be that a Volkl which is better suited to women on the World Cup is also best suited to getting off clean turns in the course for the rest of us also.

Finally, we all know that if we were to race against a top World Cup racer on a pair of so called "recreational racing" skis, and any of us on a pair of top-end World Cup level racing skis, that racer would whip my, and your ass. So the critical variable is not the ski but the skier. We should insure that our skis are tuned and waxed perfectly. Not too stiff or too long and then get our minds off the equipment and pay attention to strength, timing, and course technique.

Go fast,
Crimson Dynamo
post #23 of 45
That is a damn good reply. You make some great points and I totally agree. Volkl is a better ski for racers who are lighter weight and not as strong as the top world cup men. What a great thing..... a true, world cup race ski that isn't so stiff as to be unusable for the recreational, (albeit washed-up) masters racer. All along, I've maintained that Volkl may not be the best race ski in the world. But it is the race ski that works best for me. I'm not as big as most world cup men, will never be anywhere near as strong, and god knows I'll never have the technique and skill they have. Add to that the fact that I don't ski on hills that are as steep or icy, don't reach the speeds they do, and believe it or not, whoever sets the course on our thursday night beer league doesn't set it as turny as a world cup course (our 77 year old racer might not appreciate it). Here's a little known fact.... Most world cup guys are skiing on 193 to 198cm skis for GS. Does that mean I should? I'll tell you right now, I can't. Not strong enough, not good enough. I ski on the length (and ski), that the ladies do.... and I'm fine with that. By all means, anyone who is as stong as, and skillful as Stephan Eberharter should be on skis of his caliber. Unfortunately, most people that need the same skis he does are out skiing right now, not sitting at work, in front of a computer screen. (damn job!)

As a side note to +mike+ and Heluva: I finally got to try the GSX. Sweet ski... verrrrrry damp. It stays glued to the snow. Good snap once you get it up to speed. It does require a lot of speed to come alive. It powers through any surface inconsistency like it isn't there. Great edge grip. I can't wait to try the SLX.

another side note: I tried a K2 GT6 Patriot (race stock).....

Totally sucked..
post #24 of 45
Thread Starter 
Someone told me that the K2's werent a bad ski per say, btu they were slow for some reason. A top racer at Holiday last year was on all race stock K2's and tried a race stock nordica and was almost a full second faster in the GS course that was set that night, after several runs he was consistantly faster on the nordica skis, which i believe he is racing on this season. So it goes to show that people ski on what they are fast on.

ps. i am planning on trying stocklis race skis and fischer race stock skis. I hope they arent too far ahead of my Elans because im on three pairs of SLX's right now...
post #25 of 45
I didn't want to do this to you, Greg, but after seeing you use this term on several different occasions, I figured it was one of your favorites...... so, here you go, the correct spelling:

per se
Pronunciation: (")p&r-'sA also per-'sA or (")p&r-'sE
Function: adverb
Etymology: Latin
Date: 1572
: by, of, or in itself or oneself or themselves : as such : INTRINSICALLY

post #26 of 45
Thread Starter 
Oh my god!! A grammar expert at on online forum!! Incredible!! I hope everyone else is as impressed as i am. Wow that was amazing. I didnt realize you had a DICtionary. So you correct my spelling and grammar with the online webster's DICtionary, and ill correct your skiing for you. Fortunately i probly dont need a book for that. I am aware of how to use that word, but if you havent noticed we type here how we talk, which is what makes it a forum. you butt into your conversations with people and correct their grammar?? I wasnt even slamming your beloved volkls in that post either, so that was a little rude. But, we expect no less from the little hill's cocky nastar pace setter, who can beat the J5's and the 80 year-old couple who race for fun on saturday mornings. You gotta get a life and get out and ski; or are you too good for that now too? Send me some cassettes or something that will correct my grammar. Im sure you can put something together while youre sitting at your computer waiting for my responses. I'll listen to them when im on the lift... ya know skiing... you should do it once in awhile. Take your DICtionary with you so you can bore your fellow chair passengers with your stunningly quick mind. But before you get off the lift make sure you insult their skiing, tell them that they arent worthy of their race stock skis, and then shove yer DICtionary up your @ss so you dont drop it when your volkls chatter down the hill.
I'm out, gotta get up to ski im the AM.

[ January 06, 2003, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: HeluvaSkier ]
post #27 of 45
Glad I could be of help. I realize that we all write how we talk, and often shorten things up for the sake of saving time. But it actually takes more effort to write per say, than per se. So I assumed that you weren't familiar with the correct spelling. (sorry) That is a term that people hear all the time, but sometimes don't see it in print. As I said before, I've noticed that you have used the term on several different posts. I thought you, as a college student would like to take every opportunity to increase the power of your written word. Sorry if I struck a sour note.
As far as skiing goes, I wish I could get out a bit more, but this pesky job keeps me glued to this damn computer. Plus, I'm in the process of remodeling our front room, so that takes up more of my free time. On top of all that, my first child was just born January 4th! I'm sure that will cut into my skiing (for a while anyway). So here I am, sitting at my desk, reading about skiing. I'd much rather be out there.
I would like to thank you for responding so enthusiastically all the time, it does provide excellent entertainment and makes the workday move a bit faster.
Once again, sorry if I hit a nerve.
post #28 of 45
Well, I finally got a chance to ski on my 183cm P50 GSR's (non race stock). They are great cruisers! I think they will be good for low key recreational racing. The Motion System in the lifters delivers an eerie feeling. The edges just hold and resist letting go. Having said that though, the skis do feel like they are lacking something that I formerly associated with Volkl race skis. Call the feel of the skis a feeling of lightness if you want or lack of beef but it seemed to me that that they lack the feeling of stength yet suppleness that I associate with a ski with a metal top plate. Ecountering roughness in the surface at speed the skis seem to get knocked around where a true racing ski ought to just hang in there. My old P20 RS Supers were just rock solid, unshakeable at speeds that would freak me out on these skis.. These skis feel like they may not have it in fast aggressive skiing. Now I'm really beginning to regret not buying the race stock version.
post #29 of 45
I have now had an opportunity to ski both my wifes (regular) and my (race stock), in a course. There is quite a difference. You hit it right on the head regarding stability. The race stock version powers through surface inconsistency like it isn't there, while the store version gets bounced around a bit.
Do you have the Piston? Believe it or not, it does make a difference.
post #30 of 45
I do have what they call the "motion system" with the piston. These came with the lifter plates installed on the skis. I noticed that those the shop was installing on race stockers were on top of a separately nounted race plate. The tech indicated those offer a slightly higher lift plus some adjustability lacking in Volkl's piston setup. I haven't gotten much time on these skis yet but I would say the piston does work. I found it hard to break the skis loose (on a relatively smooth surface). Excess energy tends to be absoprbed by the piston and then returned to the ski.

I don't know why a reputable mfr like Volkl would make a race ski that is not a race ski. This was not always the case with them. My understanding was that they used to make all their race skis on the same assembly line or shop. Race -room skis were just carefully hand selected and prepared from the stock race skis. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. I wish I had known before making my purchase.

Just another example of how a mfr's rep and quality can cycle I guess.
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