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Looking for a damp 88ish Ski

post #1 of 19
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What I am looking for might not exist, but I'm hoping to find a ski that meets most of these requirements.

 

I seem to a like a ski that is damp and stays glued to the snow. I like the no speed limit feel of my MX78, though I don't generally ski that fast. My typical EC runs can be steep for a bit (where I like a ski easy to turn to keep speed in check) followed by long run outs where I will let them fly. So I don't want a ski with only one turn shape.

 

My MX 78's fit this fine. But, I would like something easier in the bumps and EC trees. I think I want something without the square tail for this reason.  Probably some rocker too, but I don't want to give up too much edge grip. I like grip when it's steep.

 

Float is not important, I have a fatter ski. Crud busting would be more important.

 

5'9" and 190lbs, I need to get on my bike more.

 

Been reading too many reviews.  All look like maybes.  No particular order.

 

        Nordica Steadfast

        Elan 888

        Blizzard Mag 8.5

        Dynastar Outland 87

        Rossi E88

        Volkl Kendo

 

I know. DEMO.  Not likely to happen.  Time and availability has been an issue and will be for the rest of my season.  I'm also comfortable buying now and selling them next season if I make a poor choice. 

post #2 of 19

Kastle MX88 ought to be your choice but if I recall it does have a squarish tail.  I think the Elan 888(Apex) is fairly damp, but it has a flat square tail.  I love my Nordica Steadfasts with their turned up tail but they are not damp, very lively and light.  Can't say anything about the others.

post #3 of 19

Find a Head Monster 88

 

or these. I skied a pair at a Demo a couple of years back. Great ski although the Rep had it mounted with a race plate.

 

The flow ride tip acts kinda of like tip rise.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Head-i-Peak-88-SW-Skis-169cm-Flat-NEW-/300793295863?pt=Skiing&hash=item4608ad73f7

post #4 of 19
I've found the Nordica Fire Arrow extremely damp (I think even too much). So the next width iteration (if that exists) should be too?
 
The Outland 80 Pro is damp, so I'd give the nod for the 87
post #5 of 19

I was thinking MX88 as well (I own it), until you nixed the square tail and have the 78 anyway.  

 

The Outland 87 is definitely more maneuverable; felt very friendly and forgiving, but I felt it gave up too much hard snow grip for a sub 90mm ski, that would be a deal breaker.

 

The Kendo felt like a dead-er MX88, similar ski with less quality.

 

Haven't been on the 8.5, but I own the 8.0Ti 179.  Great grip, great softer snow and off piste maneuverability, definitely strong enough for your size (I'm 5'11", 190).  Based on what you want out of this hypothetical ski, you may be looking at the 88mm Brahma; it and the 8.5 seem to be within spitting distance of each other in qualities, and since you can't demo, the $100 cheaperness might help mitigate blind date worries.

 

Of course, you should bin the idea of any of these skis and just buy Scott's The Ski!  No really;

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/118601/review-2014-the-ski-by-bobbie-burns-and-scott

 

I thought it was excellent.  If I wanted a mellower, easier turning ski than the MX88 that currently occupies that slot in the quiver, but still had harder snow skills and definitely had resale value, this would be near or at the top of the list.

 

I wish you well.  Not being able to try first leaves you with picking one of the nine skis mentioned so far (and doubtless more to come) without so much as dinner and peck on the cheek, oy vey!

post #6 of 19

I really like my 178 E88.  I've skied on it nearly everyday this season at JH.  I'm about your size, but maybe a little lighterwink.gif.

post #7 of 19
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I really like my 178 E88.  I've skied on it nearly everyday this season at JH.  I'm about your size, but maybe a little lighterwink.gif.

 

I'm 6' (1,82 m) and 185 lbs (85 kg), naked, and I am really considering the E88. Demoing is tough where I am in Europe, though. Quite a few reviews state that this ski skis quite short. So, should I be on the 178 or on the 186? I am right in the middel myself and I'm pretty sure I can handle the lenght technique-wise. What do you guys think?

 

One more thing: other than the graphics, any changes in this ski for 2014? I like the current graphics better and once the new model goes on the shelves, the 2013 will probably make for a better deal...

post #8 of 19

The Kendo would be my choice as a damp East Coast all mountain ski. I have demod it in a 177 and loved it. I'm a level 7,  5'9' 195. 

post #9 of 19
"I'm 6' (1,82 m) and 185 lbs (85 kg), naked, and I am really considering the E88. Demoing is tough where I am in Europe, though. Quite a few reviews state that this ski skis quite short. So, should I be on the 178 or on the 186? I am right in the middel myself and I'm pretty sure I can handle the lenght technique-wise. What do you guys think?" Yeah, go for the 186 .......... and put some clothes on.
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and put some clothes on.

 

I will wink.gif

 

Thanks for the advice

post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Find a Head Monster 88

 

or these. I skied a pair at a Demo a couple of years back. Great ski although the Rep had it mounted with a race plate.

 

The flow ride tip acts kinda of like tip rise.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Head-i-Peak-88-SW-Skis-169cm-Flat-NEW-/300793295863?pt=Skiing&hash=item4608ad73f7

Although 169cm  is too short!  Find a 175cm

post #12 of 19

I demoed both the 178 and the 186.  I could ski both, but chose the 178 because I wanted the ski to be "easier" for teaching.  It's a great teaching ski!  I don't think I would like the 186 as much as the 178 because I don't find that the 178 let's me down in any way.  I don't think it "skis short" at all.  I ski pretty fast on groomers in long turns and am agile in bumps and trees with short turns.  I'm 5'10 175 lbs.  I ski almost every day.  I've skied this ski on both hard pack and knee deep powder with no issues on or off-piste.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by FairToMiddlin View Post

I was thinking MX88 as well (I own it), until you nixed the square tail and have the 78 anyway.  

 

The Outland 87 is definitely more maneuverable; felt very friendly and forgiving, but I felt it gave up too much hard snow grip for a sub 90mm ski, that would be a deal breaker.

 

The Kendo felt like a dead-er MX88, similar ski with less quality.

 

Haven't been on the 8.5, but I own the 8.0Ti 179.  Great grip, great softer snow and off piste maneuverability, definitely strong enough for your size (I'm 5'11", 190).  Based on what you want out of this hypothetical ski, you may be looking at the 88mm Brahma; it and the 8.5 seem to be within spitting distance of each other in qualities, and since you can't demo, the $100 cheaperness might help mitigate blind date worries.

 

Of course, you should bin the idea of any of these skis and just buy Scott's The Ski!  No really;

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/118601/review-2014-the-ski-by-bobbie-burns-and-scott

 

I thought it was excellent.  If I wanted a mellower, easier turning ski than the MX88 that currently occupies that slot in the quiver, but still had harder snow skills and definitely had resale value, this would be near or at the top of the list.

 

I wish you well.  Not being able to try first leaves you with picking one of the nine skis mentioned so far (and doubtless more to come) without so much as dinner and peck on the cheek, oy vey!

Curious about your Outland Demo. Any idea how the tune was?  Trying to stay with this year's skis as the sale prices should negate my need to demo a 2014. I have found if I get a killer deal  in March/April and end up selling it Xmas time I usually get my money back. So while not convenient, I don't take too much of a hit.  If I buy something hot and new, it's will drop in price like every other ski.

post #14 of 19
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I demoed both the 178 and the 186.  I could ski both, but chose the 178 because I wanted the ski to be "easier" for teaching.  It's a great teaching ski!  I don't think I would like the 186 as much as the 178 because I don't find that the 178 let's me down in any way.  I don't think it "skis short" at all.  I ski pretty fast on groomers in long turns and am agile in bumps and trees with short turns.  I'm 5'10 175 lbs.  I ski almost every day.  I've skied this ski on both hard pack and knee deep powder with no issues on or off-piste.

How are the E88's at slower speeds. Forgot to mention in my first post that I would like a ski that doesn't need major speed to enjoy.  Solid intermediate Wife and Child slow things down when I'm not alone. Though, I'm typically alone midweek.

post #15 of 19

Anybody -- does the Fischer Motive 86 meet his criteria?

 

Also, related question:  some skis are described as "lively" or "playful" (e.g., Line Chronic) -- is that the opposite of "damp"?

post #16 of 19
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Also, related question:  some skis are described as "lively" or "playful" (e.g., Line Chronic) -- is that the opposite of "damp"?

 

Pretty much.

post #17 of 19
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Also, related question:  some skis are described as "lively" or "playful" (e.g., Line Chronic) -- is that the opposite of "damp"?

 

"Lively" imo is closer to being the opposite of "damp".    The opposite of damp is somewhere between "lively" and "nervous".

 

 

"Playful" can mean a lot of things, including 'easy to pivot-steer', 'easily changes turn shape', 'easy to get on and off edge', 'easy to store energy in with the inside leg and thereby get rebound through transitions'  none of which have much to do with damping or lack thereof.     Yes, I've skied some skis I would describe as damp and playful.    (Some Fischers, some Nordicas come to mind here).   This is not a contradiction.   Playfulness is a property of how the ski reacts to your inputs.    Dampness is a property of how the ski passes ground reaction forces back to you.

 

Is 'lively but not playful' possible?   IMO, yes.   (I'm looking at you, Salomon Xtra Hots).

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Originally Posted by FairToMiddlin View Post

I was thinking MX88 as well (I own it), until you nixed the square tail and have the 78 anyway.  

 

The Outland 87 is definitely more maneuverable; felt very friendly and forgiving, but I felt it gave up too much hard snow grip for a sub 90mm ski, that would be a deal breaker.

 

The Kendo felt like a dead-er MX88, similar ski with less quality.

 

Haven't been on the 8.5, but I own the 8.0Ti 179.  Great grip, great softer snow and off piste maneuverability, definitely strong enough for your size (I'm 5'11", 190).  

 

I wish you well.  Not being able to try first leaves you with picking one of the nine skis mentioned so far (and doubtless more to come) without so much as dinner and peck on the cheek, oy vey!

Curious about your Outland Demo. Any idea how the tune was?  Trying to stay with this year's skis as the sale prices should negate my need to demo a 2014. I have found if I get a killer deal  in March/April and end up selling it Xmas time I usually get my money back. So while not convenient, I don't take too much of a hit.  If I buy something hot and new, it's will drop in price like every other ski.

 

It came from a solid shop, likely a good tune; felt predictable in the soft stuff I found.  It was likable, just felt like a milder ski that (at my weight) didn't have the grip and speed limit I hope for from a <90mm ski, I was on the 178.  I also don't like system-binding only skis, I'm a special needs child and have to stick to flat skis for the most part.

 

For this year's stock fitting your needs, I would spend my cash on the 8.5.  What length will be up to you: 174 or 181, it's a little weird, I think.

 

Then again, I know or know of guys that rock the Kendo and the E88 and swear by them; I like Miller Lite, by buddy likes BL.  We're back to the perils of not test driving... sounds like you have the system down for consequence-free spring buying, throw a dart and enjoy.

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by FairToMiddlin View Post

 

It came from a solid shop, likely a good tune; felt predictable in the soft stuff I found.  It was likable, just felt like a milder ski that (at my weight) didn't have the grip and speed limit I hope for from a <90mm ski, I was on the 178.  I also don't like system-binding only skis, I'm a special needs child and have to stick to flat skis for the most part.

 

For this year's stock fitting your needs, I would spend my cash on the 8.5.  What length will be up to you: 174 or 181, it's a little weird, I think.

 

Then again, I know or know of guys that rock the Kendo and the E88 and swear by them; I like Miller Lite, by buddy likes BL.  We're back to the perils of not test driving... sounds like you have the system down for consequence-free spring buying, throw a dart and enjoy.

Ok, that whole Miller Lite thing has me second guessing any recomendations you may make. wink.gif IPA's all the way. Hence me being 5'9 and 190lbs.beercheer.gif

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