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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I've been demoing a lot of skis lately in vastly different and often rough conditions.

Here's a list:
Blizzard Bonafide 180
Blizzard Cochise 185
Volkl Mantra 184
Armada TST 192
Rossi 2012/2013 Super 7 188
Rossi Experience 98 180ish
Dynastar Cham 97 184....
And one other.

So, the Bonafide is phenomenal, like two rocket ships on your feet. I would've preferred the size up but these things are awesome. They hold an edge and rock over and through everything at an insane speed. Not the most forgiving ski I've ever been on, but that made me need to step my game up.

The Mantra was similar to the Bonafide, I like the Bonafide a tad more, however.

I'm not even going to review the Cochise because i think the ski they rented me was so beat up that it wouldnt hold an edge, plus it was an icy and shitty snow day. The TST was way too long and I'm going to skip over this ski as well.

The Rossi Experience was a ski. Just average to me.

The Dynastar Cham was pretty sweet, forgiving but stiff on the back side. Plowed through the shittiest crude with no problem and held a sharp edge.

The 2012/2013 Rossi Super s7 was awesome. Held surprisingly well on groomers and was great off piste .......... But, wait, then I got to try something few have seen..... The 2013/2014 Super 7 188. I can't even begin to explain how amazing this ski was. It skied groomers like an all mountain ski, cruised through the shittiest snow on the shittiest day when off piste, and left me walking into the mountain store saying, WOW. I tried this yesterday and drove home from a horrible snow day with a huge smile on my face. The differences are in the lighter nature of the ski... I think they switched out steel inlay for carbon fiber. They also flattened the tail out, which could cause a problem on the old ski because of hooking.

All in all, this coming year's Rossi collection should win all awards.... The Bonafide is the only ski I liked close to as much. I'd be interested in demoing them side by side. Although, with the super 7 performing so well everywhere across the board, I'd be inclined to just call it a day and swoop a pair.
post #2 of 20

Hi - Interesting. Could you provide your height and weight, where you demoed, conditions, and your realistic estimation of your skill level? Thanks. 

post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by Blizzatareous View Post

I've been demoing a lot of skis lately in vastly different and often rough conditions.

Here's a list:
Blizzard Bonafide 180
Blizzard Cochise 185
Volkl Mantra 184
Armada TST 192
Rossi 2012/2013 Super 7 188
Rossi Experience 98 180ish
Dynastar Cham 97 184....
And one other.

So, the Bonafide is phenomenal, like two rocket ships on your feet. I would've preferred the size up but these things are awesome. They hold an edge and rock over and through everything at an insane speed. Not the most forgiving ski I've ever been on, but that made me need to step my game up.

The Mantra was similar to the Bonafide, I like the Bonafide a tad more, however.

I'm not even going to review the Cochise because i think the ski they rented me was so beat up that it wouldnt hold an edge, plus it was an icy and shitty snow day. The TST was way too long and I'm going to skip over this ski as well.

The Rossi Experience was a ski. Just average to me.

The Dynastar Cham was pretty sweet, forgiving but stiff on the back side. Plowed through the shittiest crude with no problem and held a sharp edge.

The 2012/2013 Rossi Super s7 was awesome. Held surprisingly well on groomers and was great off piste .......... But, wait, then I got to try something few have seen..... The 2013/2014 Super 7 188. I can't even begin to explain how amazing this ski was. It skied groomers like an all mountain ski, cruised through the shittiest snow on the shittiest day when off piste, and left me walking into the mountain store saying, WOW. I tried this yesterday and drove home from a horrible snow day with a huge smile on my face. The differences are in the lighter nature of the ski... I think they switched out steel inlay for carbon fiber. They also flattened the tail out, which could cause a problem on the old ski because of hooking.

All in all, this coming year's Rossi collection should win all awards.... The Bonafide is the only ski I liked close to as much. I'd be interested in demoing them side by side. Although, with the super 7 performing so well everywhere across the board, I'd be inclined to just call it a day and swoop a pair.


It's amusing that everyone is so impressed with The 7 line. Rossi redesigns their lineup to utilize design elements that others have been using for 2-3 years now, and suddenly they are innovative.

post #4 of 20

^^^^ Hmmm. Well, Rossi's had the lower inertia Cascade Tip in its racing skis and carvers for more than 3 years, seems like Salomon, ah, borrowed the concept for its Rocker2, although the honeycomb in that and the S7's came from the Hexel, and you could make the argument everyone stole the lower mass tip and tail idea from old Kastle or Fischer cutouts, actually; meanwhile Rossi had the 5-point and serious taper back before anyone, unless you believe Armada, or want to thank Volant for positive sidecut, or DP for the word rocker, and these priority who-stole-what-from-whom claims get kinda silly, don't ya think?  

post #5 of 20
I always thought the original S7 had that funky 5 point tip design before anyone else too. The pintail came from the K2 Pontoon but I am not a ski mfg historian. Some boutique company like DPS might have had that tip design before anyone else. But all that aside, I too have been wanting to demo the super 7 and the Squad 7 this season. Also have the K2 Annex117, and the Salomon Rocker2 115 on the list.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

I was skiing Crystal Mountain in WA, the day before was really warm and, when nightfall came, it froze HARD and then never warmed back up so the conditions were fast and icy on the groomers but off-piste the conditions were absolutely horrible - big blocky ice chunks literally littered the steeps in the bowls, off piste, and side-country. 

 

Some of the other skis I demoed were at Mt. Baker towards the Canadian border of WA state.  The conditions there were not too bad, they definitely had more snow and it was warmer than at Crystal.  The other hill was at Schweitzer in Sandpoint, ID, which was again, very rough conditions, but it did warm up a SMALL amount softening the snow by midday.  All in all, the conditions were not ideal on any hill but were the worst at Crystal on that particular day.

 

I don't know where to place my skill level, I ski very well for the two seasons I've been skiing again (I'm up almost every weekend and I take my skis with me when I travel for work through MT, ID, WA).  I started skiing again in January 2012, but hadn't skied since I was probably 12/13 years old, besides one time in HS.  I'll ski just about anything and ski better than most people I come across on the hill.  I ski the whole mountain comfortably, including double blacks, chutes, and most side/backcountry.    

 

I'm 6'2" and fluctuate between 185-195 lbs.

post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

I don't know much about the innovative nature of Rossi.  All I know is that the new Super 7 has been one of my favorite skis so far and I was genuinely impressed by it's ability to handle conditions that you think it would otherwise have problems in.  Again, I've only been back on skis for two years so I haven't really seen too many types of skis come and go.  

post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by Blizzatareous View Post


All in all, this coming year's Rossi collection should win all awards....  Although, with the super 7 performing so well everywhere across the board, I'd be inclined to just call it a day and swoop a pair.

 

Awards for what is my question? 

post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by Toadman View Post

I always thought the original S7 had that funky 5 point tip design before anyone else too. The pintail came from the K2 Pontoon but I am not a ski mfg historian. Some boutique company like DPS might have had that tip design before anyone else. But all that aside, I too have been wanting to demo the super 7 and the Squad 7 this season. Also have the K2 Annex117, and the Salomon Rocker2 115 on the list.


The original ON3P Billygoat came out the same year.

 

This basic shape is the default design for most every make's off piste model because it works.

post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 

Ended up trying a handful more skis.. Bought some Atomic Automatics 193 cm for $425 NEW(!!) at some little shop in Billings, MT (they price matched the demo price that I was offered in Whitefish the weekend prior).  Still thought the Rossi was one of the best skis that I had tried, I think I might demo them again next year to confirm my original thoughts... If I were to buy a pair now, though, I would probably lean towards the Soul 7 vs. the Super 7, mainly because the Automatics are so wide that to have two pairs of skis that are over 115 under foot would be a tad redundant.. Unless you have a very large quiver, which I do not.

 

Anyways, just thought I would close this all up!  

post #11 of 20

So I'm curious.  Did you buy the Automatics because of the great deal, or did you really like them when you demoed them?

 

I ask because I demoed and absolutely loved the 193 Automatics here in Utah.  Ended up buying them mid-season and have about 20 days on them in all types of conditions, from 2 feet of fresh untracked to refrozen death cookies, and everything in between.  I just love any kind of 3-dimensional snow with these skis, and they can rail on groomers as well (almost as much fun as my cheater GS skis ... well almost).

post #12 of 20

I demoed the 186 Automatic last week with the intention of buying one...and I didn't buy it.  I was looking for essentially an S7 with a beefier tail, and the Automatic seemed to fit that bill.

It was a heavy, wettish powder day, and I could NOT find my balance on them...I was either on the tails or felt like I was standing on the tips (in a bad way).  I figured I was just skiing crappier than usual, so I took out some S7's and my Cody's and both were easy-peasy...no problems.

 

There's a long thread on TGR about the Automatic, and it seems an "out of balance" feel is a common complaint.  The widespread solution over there is to mount the bindings at +2, which supposedly cures the problem and makes 'em fun.  The demos I had were on the line.  A +2 mount would probably make them ski great for me, but I know I didn't dig them on the line, and I don't wanna gamble the $$ on a fix that will "probably" work.

 

Long story short...I'm now really, really intrigued by the new 2014 Super 7.  I think they might have my name on them, but I'll have to try 'em first.

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

I demoed the 186 Automatic last week with the intention of buying one...and I didn't buy it.  I was looking for essentially an S7 with a beefier tail, and the Automatic seemed to fit that bill.

It was a heavy, wettish powder day, and I could NOT find my balance on them...I was either on the tails or felt like I was standing on the tips (in a bad way).  I figured I was just skiing crappier than usual, so I took out some S7's and my Cody's and both were easy-peasy...no problems.

 

There's a long thread on TGR about the Automatic, and it seems an "out of balance" feel is a common complaint.  The widespread solution over there is to mount the bindings at +2, which supposedly cures the problem and makes 'em fun.  The demos I had were on the line.  A +2 mount would probably make them ski great for me, but I know I didn't dig them on the line, and I don't wanna gamble the $$ on a fix that will "probably" work.

 

Long story short...I'm now really, really intrigued by the new 2014 Super 7.  I think they might have my name on them, but I'll have to try 'em first.

 

I demoed the 186 Automatic earlier this season on a powder day.  It was OK but not great for me, no better than my 188 S7s.  I knew a lot of guys who were hot for it early in the season.  It turns out nearly all of those guys had sold them by the end of the season.  Maybe the mount point would make a difference?  I always mount center line and like it that way.

post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

I demoed the 186 Automatic last week with the intention of buying one...and I didn't buy it.  I was looking for essentially an S7 with a beefier tail, and the Automatic seemed to fit that bill.

It was a heavy, wettish powder day, and I could NOT find my balance on them...I was either on the tails or felt like I was standing on the tips (in a bad way).  I figured I was just skiing crappier than usual, so I took out some S7's and my Cody's and both were easy-peasy...no problems.

 

There's a long thread on TGR about the Automatic, and it seems an "out of balance" feel is a common complaint.  The widespread solution over there is to mount the bindings at +2, which supposedly cures the problem and makes 'em fun.  The demos I had were on the line.  A +2 mount would probably make them ski great for me, but I know I didn't dig them on the line, and I don't wanna gamble the $$ on a fix that will "probably" work.

 

Long story short...I'm now really, really intrigued by the new 2014 Super 7.  I think they might have my name on them, but I'll have to try 'em first.

 

Skierish -

 

I think the mount point may have contributed to the experience you had.  Before I mounted up my 193's, I did a bunch of research (including TGR) and decided to go forward of the line.  I ended up at +1.5 and feel that was about perfect.  Anyway, I really like the ski and it has essentially displaced my P4 as my go-to ski.

 

BTW - I tried a 186 back-to-back with my 193 in fresh powder and found it to be quite different.  However, it was mounted on the line so that could be why.

post #15 of 20

In my limited experience with demoing and owning rockered skis, I've found that they aren't as amendable - or predictable - to tinkering with the line as traditional skis. If they don't feel right where the factory put the line, with the various complex curves intersecting in 3 dimensions behind and in front, and a very short running length, I just shrug and go for another ski. YMMV. The Automatic, love it or loathe it, has acquired a reputation for having a narrow fore-aft sweet spot, kinda like the old S7. Fans talk about a "centered stance," which can translate to "don't move forward or back while you're skiing, or you'll hear about it." Makes you wonder about whether serious rocker is The Answer, huh? wink.gif But I digress...

post #16 of 20

NTS, Ellsworth at Blister Gear Review says both lengths ski pretty much the same, the longer being more stable, of course, but the 186 being quicker...no surprise there.  In fact he preferred the 186, and he's got 20lbs on me.  Sage Cattabriga-Alosa his-own-self skis the 186, I think.  Methinks you could be onto something about the mount changing things up more than that.

 

Beyond, what's interesting is that Sage, who helped designed the thing posted in the very lengthy TGR thread that he skis his mounted forward...+2, I think.  I don't wanna go back and wade through it to check, but I think that's right.  I know you post there also, so maybe you can correct me if I'm mistaken.  I agree that rockered skis can be finicky about moving the mount point around, but the consensus with the TGR crowd seems to be +1 to +2.  Hell, maybe that's where Atomic should've put the line in the 1st place, if their own designers/team skiers mount 'em there.

 

At any rate, my less than satisfactory experience has me gun-shy about dropping the deniro for them now, since while I suspect the forward mount would work, I don't know for sure.  I had pretty much decided to just pick up a pair of used 188 S7's for those few-times-a-year deep days, but now I'm interested in the '14 Super 7.  As I understand it, it's essentially a regular current S7 with the honeycomb tip & tail, a tail that's more traditional and a bit stouter.  The OP's post says/implies as much anyway.  If so, that's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.

 

Am I missing something on that takeaway?  Beyond, I know you stay abreast of gear...thoughts?

post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 

@Skierish - Hmmm... Regarding my Automatics, I haven't really noticed any problems with balance... When the snow gets back, I might have to monitor that and make adjustments if necessary...I really haven't had the chance to get them out on a phenomenal powder day, yet... maybe I'll hit Schweitzer and make some rounds down the South Bowl Chutes and the Outback Bowl!!  ;-)  

 

@NeedToSki - I bought them because I had tried just about every ski out there and had been trying to get on the Automatic, but could never get a pair in my size (I was down to try the 186 or the 193)... I ended up demoing the Ritual, which I really liked, but I wanted something more underfoot for when I got back into Washington's heavy snow, which I ski throughout the season.  After I talked to multiple people, I was told that the Automatic 193 was the ski.  I wasn't disappointed.. And, $425 was a pretty solid price for a brand new pair of powder slayers.  

 

I did make it to Bachelor the last day of the full season (horrible vertigo on that Sunday, yikes!) and tried the Soul 7 and, again, the Super 7.. I have to admit... I am leaning towards buying a pair of Super 7's, still.  I just love how they handle everything the mountain has to offer.  They are similar to my Automatics, but hold a better edge when the snow is not ideal.  Now that I bought some skis, I might try to save some money though... There are a lot of mountains in Colorado and Utah that I have not seen!!

post #18 of 20

While I have noticed many comments on mounting the Automatic + something, I am pretty sure it is purely weight driven. I was 210 lbs+ before any gear last season and mounted my 193's -1. Sadly, due to a poor powder season in the Sierra Mountains, I had them out 1 day, but the mount felt correct. Closer to 190 lbs now, so it will be interesting to see how they feel this season.

post #19 of 20

A friend of mine, ex-racer, good skier, was looking at every ski on the market.  He narrowed it down to the 2 he liked best after demoing over 2 years: Soul 7 from Rossignol, and MX88 from Kastle.  Purchased the Soul 7, because he already has hard snow skis, and said the Soul 7 was amazing on firmer snow "for what it was".  So yes, I hear a lot of good things about that ski.  I even purchased a pair for personal use, based on how much he liked them!  If it is as good in soft snow, and more versatile than most in that width, it will be a winner! 

post #20 of 20

Dawg,

Can I ask what size Soul 7 you selected?  Also, what binding are you thinking about putting on those babies?  Thanks!

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