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cochise length

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I want to buy my son a pair of blizzard cochises for his birthday--so demo not an option and he won't be around to demo them until next xmas. Maybe a bad idea, otoh he isn't particular about gear (skied with him on a particularly icy day and he didn't notice his boots weren;t buckled until he took them off).  He's 27, true expert (chimney sweep, light towers, ex pro patroller at Squaw), 5'11 (kills him that my other son and I are 6') 180, very strong--crossfit, olympic lifting comps.  He's on old style mantras--177cm--too short but it doesn't bother him, and some beater Nordica Supercharger Blowers 185 (which are exactly the same length as my 181 Sidestashes).  185 or 193? (Or maybe I should let him buy his own skis).

post #2 of 17

185 should be fine.

post #3 of 17

185 is more versatile...193 for true charging in open areas.

post #4 of 17

I'm about his size, just a few pounds less and a few years older, and I've never wanted more than the 185 at Squaw or anywhere else around Tahoe (or Colorado for that matter).  Especially if the 177 mantras don't seem too short for his tastes.

post #5 of 17

185 will be perfect.  Awesome ski.  I am basically his size and I couldn't imagine going shorter and I wouldn't want to, or need to, go longer (maybe in my next life when I am straight lining AK spines - but in the real world, 185 is perfect at 5'11" 180#ish).

post #6 of 17

I'd go 193 especially if the price is right, but the 185 will work too.  I can't imagine the 193 being too much work for him in the trees and when things are on, the chimney sweep will ski smoother when it counts.  

 

I might actually prefer the shorter ski on unfamiliar alaska spines, but if he primarliy skis the same mountain, the long ski will give him more limit and the rocker makes those ski easy imo.

post #7 of 17

I'm 6', 200-210 lbs.............. I ski the Mantra in a 177..........my go to ski for many years.......... now I have the Bonafides, and Cochise........... most def recommend the Cochise in 185. It's a perfect length........... but ......... consider this....... Bonafides (180 cm) are much more versatile than the Cochise........... I use the Bones in up to a foot of snow........... after that it's Cochise territory..........

post #8 of 17

What a good father buying your son such a bomber pair of skis...I would go with the 185s for a 108mm. Blend of charger and maneuverability.

 

If he is a hucker (cliff drops and/or15 foot mogul/roller bomb drops) go with the 193. 

If he likes trees and tech go with 185.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hah. I knew I would get half 185's and half 193's. Never fails.  Anyone from starthaus care to weigh in since I'll probably buy them from you? Buying my son a good pair of skis is the least I can do--the kid still is willing to ski with me.

post #10 of 17

Get the 193. He will appreciate the cred they bring and how right they look carrying them up to the Chimney. At Squaw, as you dig, long skis are the shiz. Guarantee when it goes off, he'll be so stoked.

post #11 of 17
Definitely 193. He is the right age, fitness, and skills level for them. Flat camber flipcores also ski short. Davluri's post is tongue in cheek, but the number is correct. I believe Blizzard made the 193 Cochise in response to people like your son complaining that 185 was too short.
post #12 of 17

Not tongue and cheek at all. The 193cm ski will draw more praise from one's posse, especially if the Chimney is going off. And a long ski on his shoulder does look very cool. And everybody up there is on the longest model made. So it is objectively/physically a functional length for high speed, and it is subjectively/emotionally the right length for the feelings up there. My son was so taken with the idea when he was 17 that he bought a 192cm. You can guess why that was a little over the top, shall I say.

post #13 of 17
Read the review of the 193 on blistergear. Besides, you probably know better how and where your son likes to ski.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Not tongue and cheek at all. The 193cm ski will draw more praise from one's posse, especially if the Chimney is going off. And a long ski on his shoulder does look very cool. And everybody up there is on the longest model made. So it is objectively/physically a functional length for high speed, and it is subjectively/emotionally the right length for the feelings up there. My son was so taken with the idea when he was 17 that he bought a 192cm. You can guess why that was a little over the top, shall I say.

I'm his posse these days, and I don't care how long they are.  The only other people he skis with are people he knows from patrol, and they aren't impressed by anything. Nowadays he's not living in ski country--he only got to ski the two weeks around xmas-NY this season, and he spent more time taking his Little Brother snowboarding than he did skiing hard stuff. Next season looks better, which is why I want to get him new skis.  He won't buy them for himself--too practical.

The big downside of the 193's is that they'll be too long for me too borrow.

post #15 of 17

At the end of the day... I doubt he will find the 185's too short, but there's a chance he might find the 193's too long in certain types of terrain.

post #16 of 17
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At the end of the day... I doubt he will find the 185's too short, but there's a chance he might find the 193's too long in certain types of terrain.

I agree with that...

Ask your son if he likes his skis long...Im im my 20s and i sure as hell do. But Its that easy? If your suprising him with the skis, then just go about it subtle and ask how long of skis he uses for the terrain he likes to ski.
post #17 of 17
Or just buy him a pair of Nordica Patrons. The 193 is still very maneuverable and i ski them in moguls...at the same time they charge hard, not as hard as the cochise although.
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