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The Haney Project - Phelps

Poll Results: Will Michael break 90?

 
  • 0% (0)
    Flawed poll
  • 75% (3)
    Yes
  • 25% (1)
    No
4 Total Votes  
post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

A new season has started. I may need better medication but the production values look marketedly better. The plan looks like a travelling series hitting some real scenic courses. Phelps' before swing looks pretty awesome for a guy who can't break 90. But it looks like solo practice time is going to be an issue. For a guy with no job, he's awfully busy. The coaching challenge looks totally different this time. It was cool to see Michael complain about being tired after 100's of golf swings. Golf is not athletic? How can someone on an 8000 calorie/day diet get tired swinging a golf club? Okay, he's probably cut down a little bit. Wanna bet if we see him eating during this series? It was also really cool to see Hank interviewing Michael's swim coach for inside info.

post #2 of 21

  I can't get behind this series. And I watch the golf channel a lot. Just not a fan of Haney. Don't think he's that good of a coach. Hell, I knew before the show that Chuck's issues were mental, yet week after week Hank says it's not. Romano had the same thing. Basket cases, and hitting 10000 balls doesn't fix that. A great golf coach takes what you have and improves it. Can't be a rebuild job every time. Too much information causes paralysis by over analysis. KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Now If they would have had a Harvey Pennick project.......

post #3 of 21

The biggest lesson learned from the Haney series is that Hank has a super-sized ego who has to deal with other super-sized ego's. The Philips run should kill Hank's reality show. Nothing beneficial to be gained from watching.

post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 

I guess I like watching train wrecks!

 

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I do enjoy the show although I'm learning less coaching tips from it as it progresses.

post #5 of 21

I watched last weeks episode it actually got interesting when they ended up in the pool, phelps swam back n forth 2 lengths as fast as haney could do one, he beat haney by a wide margin
 

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

In the last episode Michael had not swung a club in a month. It's awful tough for a coach to make improvements with that kind of dedication. It's an interesting comparison to Rush who openly disdained practice on the range. Michael said he would dedicate himself to this effort in this last show. It could get scary good from here. Except the preview for the next show promises a back track.

 

The series is at the half way point. Let's see: Saint Andrews, China, Cabo (and where else? - the pro am). Man what a rough life!

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

Phelps broke 90 and it was easy. This series was fun to watch just for the production values. I don't remember seeing him eating a ton of food, but he did spear a big 'ol lobster. This series was the easiest to see the results of Hank's coaching to a more technical ideal swing. Michael wants to get to scratch. How long should that take? One thing that is starting to get into my thick skull is this 100 swings a day thing.

post #8 of 21

    Phelps can want all day. Scratch is not easily attainable, and for 99.9%, all the range time in the world won't do it. You have to have that little something extra. Kinda like what Phelps has in a swimming pool. People get too wrapped up in the numbers of golf rather than the joy of the game.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Michael is not wrapped in the numbers for becoming a scratch golfer. He wants to beat his buddies who are scratch golfers. Phelps has an edge to help him get there - he has an in with a great coach.

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

Michael is not wrapped in the numbers for becoming a scratch golfer. He wants to beat his buddies who are scratch golfers. Phelps has an edge to help him get there - he has an in with a great coach.

 

Phelps is in his late 20's and just broke 90.  I give him a 0.0001% chance of becoming a scratch golfer.  The best coach in the world can't give someone feel or creativity.

post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

  The best coach in the world can't give someone feel or creativity.

 

But they'll be more than happy to keep taking your money........

post #12 of 21

Haney is a joke IMO. He hasn't improved his past students on the show that much, if at all.

post #13 of 21

The famous Ben Hogan's fundamentals, first published in Sports Illustrated and then in books, are based upon anyone with athletic ability being able to break 80.  If Phelps gets a reasonable short game and practices a bit, breaking 90 is a non-issue.  He already has good fundamentals and getting a consistent trajectory at impact will come along with time.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

 

Phelps is in his late 20's and just broke 90.  I give him a 0.0001% chance of becoming a scratch golfer.  The best coach in the world can't give someone feel or creativity.

What was his chance of getting 23 Olympic gold medals?

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Shoebag View Post

 

But they'll be more than happy to keep taking your money........

You know Phelps was getting coaching for free by being on the show. Haney has talked several times on the show about getting his students to be self diagnosing so they don't need him. I'd bet paying for coaching post show is 50/50 odds. At this level, it's about access not the money. But then again - what did Hank do with the money from his Tiger book?

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by pud View Post

Haney is a joke IMO. He hasn't improved his past students on the show that much, if at all.

Watching Sir Charles - that's an easy comment to make. Watching some of his other students, it's hard to see the improvement, but it was there to see so this is a fair comment even though I disagree. We did hear how great a coach he was from the comments of his students, but this was reality TV. How true could that be? Ray Romano is a great actor.

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

The famous Ben Hogan's fundamentals, first published in Sports Illustrated and then in books, are based upon anyone with athletic ability being able to break 80.  If Phelps gets a reasonable short game and practices a bit, breaking 90 is a non-issue.  He already has good fundamentals and getting a consistent trajectory at impact will come along with time.

Phelps broke 90 during the show, but did not break 80. He did make a (what was it - 150 feet?) huge putt at the old course, but we saw a bunch of crummy short game shots on the show. At the start I thought he had a great swing and could not understand why he was so wild and not already breaking 90. The changes Hank made were very subtle to the untrained eye, but were noticeable. The big change I noticed was not in the apparent ball flight per se but in Michael's reaction. At the beginning you could see from his body language that he was slicing. At the end you could see his body language showing he expected the ball to go straight (not just going straight). Was I smoking crack to see this? Was it faked?

post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

What was his chance of getting 23 Olympic gold medals?

 

Much better considering he started swimming consistently as a little kid.  His odds for becoming a scratch golfer would have been much higher had he done the same.  There's almost zero translation between swimming and golf in terms of athletic application.

post #19 of 21

Ray Romano is a great actor 

No. Ray Romano isn't even a great comedian.biggrin.gif  Let's not get carried away here. And the problems with Chuck and Romano were inside their heads. Haney never addresses these things. Golf is mostly mental after a certain point. Being able to let go of bad shots and other baggage, and just concentrating on the task at hand, is as much a skill as any shot in your bag. More important I would argue, as you can't do one without the other.

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

Well, that was a setup eh? (I usually charge $5 for setup lines)

 

I did see Hank working in the heads of the round mound of rebound and the not really that funny man. What I didn't see was a lot of results. With Chuck he said several times on camera his issue was in his head. We saw him change the mechanics of his swing to hinge the club up first before the turn to break the hitch in his swing and saw Hank put his hand on Chuck's head (and the swing thought) to stop the down motion in the swing. We didn't see "course games" on the range or "range games" on the course to try to take his range game onto the course or abbreviated swings to try to get the swing to happen before the hitch or different timing swings to try to break the hitch tempo. But we did see Hank focus on a "correct" timing approach that would have prevented the hitch. For Ray, we saw several episodes where Hank was messing with his head trying to control what his swing thoughts were. And getting Rush to actually want to practice on the range looked like a major miracle to me.

 

My personal game is suffering because of mental issues. I've got all sorts of mental coaching crap and so far all I've found is painful drivel. Technically I've probably got some excellent material already in hand. But it's like Brussel Sprouts to me (i.e. just makes me gag). My buddies would say I never address these things either. Whoever the guy was that got Phil Mickelson to conserve it up and win a major deserves major kudos for head work. I don't think it was his regular coach. I've done a tiny bit of successful head wrangling in my ski teaching career. This stuff is really hard to do on top of knowing how to work with "normal" people. (there we go with setup lines again).

post #21 of 21

^^ I think like half of the guys on tour (or more) regularly visit sports psychologists, since golf is such a mental game.

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