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Prophet 90 or Salomon Rocker 90

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Hi all,


I've been lurking here for a couple years and Im now in the market for a new set of skis and was hoping to tap into this bastion of knowledge and experience for my own personal gain :)


I am 34, 5'10 and weigh 145. I am an advanced skier with 300ish days skied. I did most of my skiing in my early twentys when I moved to Denver for three years. I skied the Buddy Pass, mostly Keystone, Breckenridge and A-Basis. I now live in Boston and get out as much as I can 20ish days a year. I generally go to Loon for day trips and Stowe, Killington or Smugglers for weekends. Once a year I try to take a week to find better snow...UT/CO/WY/BC.


My ski history/quiver goes Olin straight skis (forget the model...dont have them anymore), K2 El Camino's (188), Rossi B2 Bandits (176), Volkl Supersport 5Star (170). I currently ski the volkls most of the time and grab the bandits when its snowing significantly or I plan to go more off-piste...better than the volkl but not great. The volkls are quite broken in and I like their springy feel.

 

I ski mostly on-piste 80% but hop into trees on occasion and hit the backcountry when possible, really only when on vacation or in the rare occasion I feel like hiking. I like carving groomers and love popping back-and-forth and the volkls are great for this but when it gets cruddy, starts snowing or if I want to hit trees or anything else I start thinking of grabbin the bandits from the car...which arent much better and feel slow relative to the volkls. Both are good skis but have some age on them and I'm ready for an upgrade.

 

I want to move to a single quiver.  I have skiied my 68 waisted volkls in a foot of snow without issue, although not ideal. The bandits are only 76 underfoot and that is the fattest ski I have owned and I've skied plenty of powder days and done a bit of backcountry. For this reason I am more concerned about getting too wide a ski rather than too skinny. After a few demos I've concluded that I would like a ski in the 90 waist range and not much wider. I am a light dude and have always skied powder in thinner waisted skis and I dont see enough to base a ski decision on it. I demoed the mantras which were too unwieldy/wide and stiff. The kendos were better but still a bit too slow/stiff for me. I am hoping for something more all mountain than my current that are still agile and can be popped around. I am researched out and dont want to finish the season demoing skis but am really ready for an upgrade...along with a trip out west.

 

I have narrowed it down to the Line Prophet 90s and Salomon Rocker2 90. Based on research/reviews both are highly rated and seem to have the agileness/maneuverability I'm looking for, at least in the 90ish range.  Both have a bit of rocker/early rise and I believe both are still slightly cambered underfoot, I know the salomon is, which sounds like a great combo for me...versatile but carvy.  I have been recommended the prophets by a hole slew of salesmen and even some folks on lifts but no-one I know has them. I was pretty set on them and scheduled a demo this weekend, hopefully my last, but then a buddy highly recommended the Rocker2 90s and some researched turned up some pretty positive opinions that seem to match what I'm looking for even closer than the Prophet 90s.  But Im having trouble finding somewhere nearby that has Rocker2 90s to demo.

 

So in my desperation/exasperation I reach out to you, epicski members. Please help me with any input you find relevant and accept my appology for my longwindedness :)

 

Summary

- 34, 5'10, 145lbs advanced skier

- Ski mostly east coast, 80% piste, like all terrain but love carving groomers (so I'm thinking an all mountain that prioritizes carving)

- Appreciate an agile ski that can pop back and forth but want to try something a bit wider that can handle more terrain...90ish seems to be where one can start getting nearly all purpose

- Interested in a little rocker but not too much...like the idea of camber underfoot and slight rocket tip....i think both have this

- would like at least a semi twin tip...something I can land/ride switch easier

- want to hold an edge in east coast conditions but not be too stiff, especially given my weight

- Line Prophet 90s or Salomon Rocker2 90

- was thinking 172 for the LPs but not sure about the SRs, probably 177 but I've like shorter skis, one could spot a trend in my quivers progression, but 169 is pretty short, especially with a rocker.


Edited by ulnevrgtit - 2/27/13 at 8:24pm
post #2 of 13

Welcome to EpicSki.  I've skied the P90 and the Rocker2 90.  Hands down I would buy the Salomon  if those were my only choices.  I know a lot of people like the P90 but I found it heavy, sluggish and not much fun.  I bought the Nordica Steadfast instead and I think you should at least consider it.  It has camber, early rise tip and a turned up tail.  It is lively and quick.  At your weight this is a really good ski since it is also lightweight since it only has metal where the bindings mount.  It has better edge grip than the P90 and, I think also better than the Rocker2.  Try to find some to demo if you can.

post #3 of 13
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Thanks for your input mtcyclist.  The Steadfast has been on my shortlist.  My greatest concern about getting a ski 90 wide is speed/responsiveness. Ive heard other say the P90 is slower which is concerning.  Opinions seem kind of mixed on that ski some rave and call it super responsive, literally, and other note it's slower compared to others in it's class, as you have.  Looking at the sidecut alone says something.  The P90s sidecut (125-90-113) seems kind of slight, especially relative to the Rocker2 90 (130-89-117) and the Steadfast (132-90-118)....hmmmm.  My plan was to go demo the P90s and if they were too sluggish then I would just get the Rocker2s as I've found both for $380. 

 

Your input combined with the sidecut really has me further reconsidering the P90.  Any specific reasons you preferred the Steadfasts over the Rocker2s?  Where the differences pretty signficant?  Thanks again for your help mtcyclist.

 

...I see you have some volkl supersports as well...that ski can snap :)

post #4 of 13

Last season when I was looking for a new ski in the ~90mm range, I talked to a guy who runs a ski shop here and that I have bought skis from before, and who's opinion I value because he actually gets out and skis the new stuff.  His shop sells Line, Nordica, Salomon, Atomic, 4FRNT, Armada and maybe Head.  I had already demoed the Bushwacker and he recommended I try the Steadfast.  I decided to try the P90.  He never mentioned any Salomon or Atomic skis, so at that time I didn't compare the Salomon to the Nordica.  Last week I went to Snowbasin, Utah with him and a few others for the "demo days" and that was my first experience on the Rocker2, now called the Quest.  When I skied it I was impressed but didn't think the edge grip was quite what it is on the Steadfast.  But, I'm sure others may not agree.  Lots of people rave about the Bushwacker.  While I thought it was a good ski, it didn't have any "wow" factor for me.  I would prefer it over the P90, but not over either the Rocker2(Quest) or Steadfast.  If a ski doesn't make me say "wow" it isn't something that I would ever buy.  I demoed several "wow" skis last week and will be buying two of them, to replace the three I have now.  I guess the short answer is that edge grip probably is not markedly different between the Rocker2(Quest) and Steadfast.

post #5 of 13
Which ones are you buying?
post #6 of 13

Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT, 168cm and Atomic Ritual, 174cm

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Last season when I was looking for a new ski in the ~90mm range, I talked to a guy who runs a ski shop here and that I have bought skis from before, and who's opinion I value because he actually gets out and skis the new stuff.  His shop sells Line, Nordica, Salomon, Atomic, 4FRNT, Armada and maybe Head.  I had already demoed the Bushwacker and he recommended I try the Steadfast.  I decided to try the P90.  He never mentioned any Salomon or Atomic skis, so at that time I didn't compare the Salomon to the Nordica.  Last week I went to Snowbasin, Utah with him and a few others for the "demo days" and that was my first experience on the Rocker2, now called the Quest.  When I skied it I was impressed but didn't think the edge grip was quite what it is on the Steadfast.  But, I'm sure others may not agree.  Lots of people rave about the Bushwacker.  While I thought it was a good ski, it didn't have any "wow" factor for me.  I would prefer it over the P90, but not over either the Rocker2(Quest) or Steadfast.  If a ski doesn't make me say "wow" it isn't something that I would ever buy.  I demoed several "wow" skis last week and will be buying two of them, to replace the three I have now.  I guess the short answer is that edge grip probably is not markedly different between the Rocker2(Quest) and Steadfast.

 

 

Interesting...well the Steadfasts are back in the running and am significantly less excited about demoing the P90s.  I tried to find the Salomon Quests you referenced (updated Rocker2) and couldnt find anything but the Salomon Quest boot.  I really thought that the Salomon Rocker2 90 (the one with the black and white tree graphic with red acents) was a current year/season offerring (2012/13).  Can you direct me to any information on the Quest.

 

I would also be interested in what "wow" skis came out of your most recent demo day?  They must have been good to make you consider replacing the Steadfasts which you seem to quite like.  Please let me know and thanks for your help mtcyclist.


EDIT: I see you noted the Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT and 168cm and Atomic Ritual, 174cm above.


 

post #8 of 13

The Quest is next season's version of the Rocker2.  I believe Salomon combined two ski lines, Rocker2 and something else into the Quest line.  Other skis that had the "wow" factor were the Kastle MX88, Volkl RTM84 and a 155cm Elan Waveflex SL race ski - very fun and felt like I had rockets strapped to my boots.

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The "wow" skis you noted look interesting but none seem to quite fit the niche Im look for (90ish waist all mountain with twin or semi twin tips).  The Kastles were on my list for a bit but without any rocker/early risk and lack of twin/semi-twin I took them out of the running.  I have been trying to find the Steadfasts to demo but am having a bit of trouble finding a place nearby that has a set.  So I just scheduled a demo for the Salomon Rocker2 90 at a place near Loon mountain.  I am still torn on what length 169 or 177.  I went with the 169s and would get the 177 if I like them but need more stability.  The place also has the 177 so maybe I can switch mid-day.  Any input on length for someone my size would be greatly appriciated (34, 5'10, 145lbs).  I want to demo the Steadfasts but am having trouble finding them.  I am also debating just canceling my P90 demo.  If anyone thinks the P90 are agile and not too slow, specifically for a smaller guy, please let me know...otherwise it looks like the Rocker2 90 and the Steadfasts are at the top of the list.  Thanks again for all the input...

post #10 of 13

I tried the Rocker2 just because I was curious and it was there.  I wasn't really interested in another 90mm ski, more interested in a ski with rocker for deeper snow and that's what the Ritual will do for me.  As far as length of the Rocker2 goes, since it has rocker tip and tail, I think you probably want the 177.  My son is 6', 160 pounds and. skis 178cm Elan Apexes, which have an early rise tip but a flat tail.  I think the ski I demoed was 177, but I didn't write it down.

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

The Ritual looks awesome...that graphic is slick. I actually liked the theory quite a bit as well. I wish I had a reason/gumption to get a wider ski, especially a dedicated powder board.  I cant tell you what I'd give to live in Montana...the sky here is so small.  

 

177 did seem to sound more logical choice given the rocker.  Im just a bit hung up on the fact that they will actually be a hair taller than me, I am percisely 5'9'5/8=176.8.  I wish they had any option between 169/177 and I'm hoping they measure significantly long or short. 

 

Oh, and I found a video that went through the whole Salomon Quest line you mentioned (i guess the 2013/14 line). They seem to have been updated and the new graphics looks sweet.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwG9rVvXf-M

 

Thanks again for your help mtcyclist

post #12 of 13

FWIW, I am 6', 205 lbs and ski the Rocker2 90 177s and absolutely love them. They turn really well on groomed and compact snow, and are very fun to ski through crud and shallow to medium depth powder. I was actually shocked at how well they kept me afloat in 6+ inches of powder at Baker the other day. 

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Thread Starter 

Nice...thanks for the input SkiingCoug.

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