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Kastle FX84 vs MX83 East Coast

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Wanted to throw this out there, hope to get feedback from someone who's skied these before.  I'm Debating between the MX83, MX88 and FX84...the FX84 and MX88 can be had for about $200 less than the MX83 due to end of season sales.  It will be a purely east coast ski, so I'm talking hard snow with the occasional 3-5 inch covering.  

 

I am 5'10 170 and ski both groomers and bumps.  On groomers my speed definitely gets up there, so I need stability, but I don't want something that isn't nimble/forgiving enough in the bumps.  Ability wise, I'm probably at the lower to mid expert level and have been skiing for 10 years.

 

I tried the MX83 on groomers, but didn't have the chance to ski them in the bumps.  Haven't been on the FX, and wont be able to before the sale ends.  Is it a better balance than the MX83 or the MX88 in bumps? I'm thinking that the MX88 will be too much ski for me, the 83 is probably a better balance but a bit more expensive, and the FX may give me a bit more in the bumps?


Edited by sfs244 - 2/27/13 at 1:15pm
post #2 of 21
I demoed a pair of FX84 last Saturday in the 176 length. I am 6' and 165 lbs. I took them everywhere but the bumps as there weren't much on hunter that day. They were son great skis (very quick and lively) but I fear they may be to long for the bumps.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input, sounds like you had a great day!  
 

The FX comes in a 168, but at that point I fear it may not be stable enough for me at higher speeds. The MX83 in a 173 is in the middle, but I'm concerned it may be too stiff for bumps vs the FX

post #4 of 21

I think it depends on what you value the most, and if you have other skis or not. If you have a 70-waisted carver, I'd say get the FX84 for sure. I ski the MX83 in the bumps, and it does fine, but the FX is better, just like how the 84 is fine for ripping cord, but the 83 is better.

 

I own the 83 - I'd rather own a pair of FX84s and a pair of RXs.

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

Yeah that makes sense.  For me it is going to be my only ski.  I get out about 10 days or 15 if I'm lucky, so not enough to justify multiple pairs of skis.  So for a single ski setup you'd say the MX?

post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by sfs244 View Post

Yeah that makes sense.  For me it is going to be my only ski.  I get out about 10 days or 15 if I'm lucky, so not enough to justify multiple pairs of skis.  So for a single ski setup you'd say the MX?

 

I value ripping groomers more than bumps and versatility (many ski quiver here). If I wanted more versatility I'd get the 84.

post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

I think it depends on what you value the most, and if you have other skis or not. If you have a 70-waisted carver, I'd say get the FX84 for sure. I ski the MX83 in the bumps, and it does fine, but the FX is better, just like how the 84 is fine for ripping cord, but the 83 is better.

 

I own the 83 - I'd rather own a pair of FX84s and a pair of RXs.

What length have you skied in the FX84 and what is you weight?

 

I am north of 200lb. and looking at an FX84 in the 184, but ski allot of bumps so I am curious.

post #8 of 21

I'm 6 200 lbs and have only skied the FX84 in the 176 - I wouldn't be afraid of the 184. I've skied the 94 and 104 in the 180s and liked them a lot.

post #9 of 21
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I'm 6 200 lbs and have only skied the FX84 in the 176 - I wouldn't be afraid of the 184. I've skied the 94 and 104 in the 180s and liked them a lot.

Thanks!

 

I know it won't be MX83 stable...but was the 176 "stable enough" for you out on the groomed?

 

My BMX 98s are surprisingly stable at 178cm, but looking for that extra quickness and edge bite on the harder stuff.

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by allan o'neil View Post

Thanks!

 

I know it won't be MX83 stable...but was the 176 "stable enough" for you out on the groomed?

 

Stable isn't a problem, the biggest difference is that the tip doesn't pull you into the turn like the MX83. The FX skis generally need a bit more steering.

post #11 of 21

Well...you can't have everything. 

 

If stability is not an issue I am tempted to go with the 176. Given the relatively soft tip...must be a hoot in bumps.

post #12 of 21

Not so much a soft tip, just a straighter tip and I think that makes it good in bumps too.

post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 

Alan, I'm going to give these a shot too, can't hurt given the great reviews I'm seeing, the versatility and the price...they've got a great deal on FX84 in all sizes on TheClymb. If you're interested I can give you a referral

post #14 of 21

My 2 cents on the FX - I have skied all the skis you mentioned in VT, I bought the FX84 and have skied them for 2 seasons - I am very happy.  I was specifically looking for a ski I could use to play around with slower family members, use in trees, and work on really tight turns. 

 

I choose the Fx84 in 168 to get a more casual and shorter turn ski.  I re-think this all the time because the 176 was also really great - they are different - the 176 is more stable, and the 168 is MUCH quicker.   Both skies are awesome in bumps, and the 176 may have been better than the 168 in bumps - I think a bit of length helps in bumps, especially with the round FX tail that you can use. 

 

My final decision on length came down to days of the week.  On crowded Saturdays I much prefer the 168.  Early Sunday morning and late in the afternoons I like the 176 better. 

 

The ski really shines in crud and early bumps that you want to just cruise through.    It is really fun to be able to use tight, medium, and wide turns in crud, and this ski likes all of them.  both the 168 and 176 were good here.

 

Net, I really like the ski.

 

Now, verses the MX's - I also skied those and they are much faster, more precise, and more stable.  But they are a bit more work in bumps and to ski tight turns - they do it well, but not as effortlessly.    I skied one busy trail and found I was holding myself back with the MX88 all the time, and on the FX I felt more natural with speed control.  It has great edge control and great speed, but it is more laid back than the MX.   The reverse is the MX ski faster with little work, the FX takes more attention at speed (above 30ish mph). 

 

Personal Stats:  My other skis are Gotama 186 and Vist Crossover 3.  I am 215#, strong skier, 40 days per year. 

post #15 of 21

I'm assuming you've read dawgcatching's very detailed reviews on the Kastle range.  If not I'd direct you there.

post #16 of 21

dawgcathing and philplug:

 

any significant changes to the kastle line for next yr with either the mx or lx series

eg., any early rise or such being introduced?


Edited by canali - 3/24/13 at 5:58pm
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by pdstahl View Post

I demoed a pair of FX84 last Saturday in the 176 length. I am 6' and 165 lbs. I took them everywhere but the bumps as there weren't much on hunter that day. They were son great skis (very quick and lively) but I fear they may be to long for the bumps.
post #18 of 21
What shop did you demo the FX's from in Hunter? Thanks!
post #19 of 21
I demoed them from Paragon in NYC but unfortunately they don't Cary them anymore.
post #20 of 21
I have a similar question. Skied the mx83 and absolutely loved them, but there weren't really any moguls to try them out on and conditions didn't allow for glade skiing. As someone who likes to ski bumps and in the trees on the east coast, thinking I should pick the FX 84 over the MX 83, any thoughts out there by anyone who has skied both?
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by canali View Post
 

dawgcathing and philplug:

 

any significant changes to the kastle line for next yr with either the mx or lx series

eg., any early rise or such being introduced?

 

No structural changes on MX, LX, or FX (slight change on cosmetic for MX).  FX does go up $100 in price.  I don't know if they will ever mess with the camber profile on the MX; it skis better than anything else right now, why change?  

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