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Anyone used the Salomon Guardian 16s?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Looking to place these on my new Line Pandora ski for inbound/outbound use. I know they are heavy but with the low rise on the ski and the fact that these are a 172cm and i am 5'4", i wanted something that could sustain the fast speeds these skis are going to run at.

post #2 of 21

I have them on my 179 4FRNT Cody's, and they are rock-solid.  Blister Gear reviews says the same thing, but they ARE heavy.

Every once in awhile if I hit a compression or bump hard or have to do a hard pivot in chunky snow, I can hear a slight clacking sound, which is the binding latch system flexing (barely perceptible) in it's catch.  It's only just barely noticeable, though.

 

They're not alpine bindings, but they are supposedly the closest AT binding you can get to the rigidity of an alpine binding.  I'd guess that may well be true, although I haven't tried other brands (Marker, Fritschi, Dynafit, etc.).  I ski 'em just about every day, and they hold up great to anything I've ever done or encountered.  Again, they are indeed heavy, but that's part of what makes them so solid.

I can't imagine very high speeds would be the slightest issue for them.

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Oh I see you are in Montana, me too- down in Bozeman. 

Do you think these are too heavy? I want to do some backcountry touring to ride. I'm not the strongest gal out there either on the uphill slog. 

post #4 of 21

Close...Sandpoint, Idaho, area.

Are they too heavy?  I guess it depends how strong you are and how far you wanna tour in them.  I got them for "sidecountry" use...skinning up a peak that adjoins our ski area and skiing down the backside of our ski area and skinning back up.  For that limited use, they're great.

 

But...they're among the heaviest AT bindings on the market...they seem designed for primarily inbounds downhill use with occasional & short BC forays as a secondary use.  If that's what you're after, try 'em.  OTOH, If you're thinking of longer or much more frequent tours, you may wanna sacrifice some downhill performance and try a lighter binding for the uphill. 

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

what type of boot do you where with these? I have the Salomon Quest with the walk release but also have a pair of Dynafit Zzero At boots. 

post #6 of 21

These bindings are rock solid inbounds and feel just like a regular binding.

 

But yes, they are definitely heavy on the uphill, however the striding motion feels nice and efficient.  If you're going to get these, at your size, make sure to get the one with a lower DIN range, as the regular one only goes from 8 - 16

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

I did not see another option except for size small-115mm brake whihc is what i purchased at backcountry.com. it said din 7-16...

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by Nicole Kramer View Post

what type of boot do you where with these? I have the Salomon Quest with the walk release but also have a pair of Dynafit Zzero At boots. 

 

Your DIN soled resort boots.

post #9 of 21

I think you should look into the Marker Baron or F10 bindings and compare the weight of those to the Guardians.

 

BTW, since you live in Bozeman are you coming to the Gathering at Bridger March 24-25?

post #10 of 21

The current Baron and the Tour are way sloppier than the Guardian/Tracker when skiing inbounds. At least for someone my size at 200+ pounds. The Guardian/Tracker are heavy as could be though. Also, the real stand height is a bit higher than most think -- not materially lower than the Duke/Baron. IIRC there was a detailed tech discussion of this on TGR.  Barons are probably stiff enough for a smaller person focused on the down. And Pandoras are not especially wide enough to really twist things around.

 

I have not skinned on the Tracker/Guardian yet. They seem to have some quirks, but everything does. The big complaints I've heard seem to be the less than level tour mode on flats and the fact that the climbing bail can be a bit of a PITA to engage up from tour - at least until you get used to it.

 

Depending on how big a rush you are in - there is a 13 DIN Guardian/Tracker releasing for next year. Looks nice. I'd expect it to save a bunch of weight (specs are probably floating around somewhere). There might be a few pairs floating around if you have any connections.


Edited by spindrift - 2/27/13 at 10:53am
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 

I cant go during that time, too bad. I'll be traveling.

 

I guess i should consider the Marker Barons due to the low DIN settings.... and the lighter weight. I saw great reviews for the Salomons but i did a DIN check and I am at a 6.5 or a 7, the Salomons start at a 7DIN. any thoughts?

 

Any experience with Marker Barons? Do you have to take the ski off to switch out from tour to ski?

post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 

Oh crap. That is good to hear that they are releasing a lower DIN setting for the Salomons. I guess maybe I should wait until next season then. Thank you SOO much for that info. Once you mount, you can't go back!

post #13 of 21

Yes you have to remove the ski to switch tour/ski on Barons (you do not on the Guardian/Tracker). I'd wait on the lower din version next season as it will weigh less. I haven't skied the Guardian yet, but all the reviews and people I have talked to have been extremely positive. The ONLY benefit I see from Duke/Baron is that it has an adjustable AFD ramp which allows the binding to take both AT and alpine boots, the Guardian is technically alpine boots only, although I have friends skiing them in Dynafit Titans without issue.

 

The weight savings on the lower din version will help you when skinning, especially as you are smaller. For sidecountry, this is the way to go.

post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 

Great responses. You all made me decide to cancel my current order for the Guardians and be patient for next seasons lower DIN Guardians. I am hopeful that I can adjust the toe to accompany my AT boot. if you have see Titans in these bindings, then my Zzeros will fit too. Too bad I cant ski on my super fat skis this year, but I feel MUCH better about this option than any other the others.

 

thanks everyone!! You guys know your stuff!

post #15 of 21

Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to combine tech boots like the TLT with full DIN binding?

post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 

i am NOT technical in ski jargen. I have the Salomon Quest boots and the Dynafit Zzero boot.

post #17 of 21

From what I understand, the lower DIN Guardian is basically the same construction with a slightly smaller spring, so I don't think there will be substantial weight savings.  Again, if you're opting for this binding it's because you care more about downhill performance than a few (err... thousand) grams here or there.

post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 

I was thinking of waiting for the lower DIN due to my height/weight/skier type... I would like a 6.5 DIN to a 7 DIN and the Guardian starts at a 7DIN. is that wrong? 100 grams is significant when slogging uphill....

post #19 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Kramer View Post

I was thinking of waiting for the lower DIN due to my height/weight/skier type... I would like a 6.5 DIN to a 7 DIN and the Guardian starts at a 7DIN. is that wrong? 100 grams is significant when slogging uphill....

 

No, that makes perfect sense.  You definitely want the appropriate DIN.  I just meant the weight savings are going to be minimal.

post #20 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Kramer View Post

what type of boot do you where with these? I have the Salomon Quest with the walk release but also have a pair of Dynafit Zzero At boots. 

 

I just use my plain-jane alpine boots.  

I think I read somewhere they're not made for AT boots...I can't remember for sure, since that was a non-issue to me.  In any case, I've heard of guys using them with their AT boots anyway without problems, but you would definitely wanna check for compatibility with your boots before dropping a huge chunk of change on them.

On the current model, DIN is 7-16.

post #21 of 21

Perhaps you can benefit from being lighter than the average guy skier and use true AT bindings (which after a couple of years of lift-skiing are too flimsy for most guys).   Like  Fritschi or some such.  Lighter and no waiting.

 

 

 

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