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post #91 of 114
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If the cost of new ON3Ps is too much, but you want a fatty pow/jib ski, then buy my Caylors cheap:  http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/257843-191-ON3P-Caylors-11-12-version?highlight=caylors  Caught a 60" storm last year in JH and was loving it.  This year, not enough snow...sort of what Marshal was talking about...

If you read this thread, Im not looking for a fatty pow ski.

However, Id trade my nordica patrons/other skis/ boots for them... They are for sale on TGR as well. My username is vailszendrei
post #92 of 114
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If you read this thread, Im not looking for a fatty pow ski.

However, Id trade my nordica patrons/other skis/ boots for them... They are for sale on TGR as well. My username is vailszendrei

 

Why don't you keep the Patrons?  It's a really well regarded ski out here.

post #93 of 114
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Why don't you keep the Patrons?  It's a really well regarded ski out here.

Oh I know, I know... I love my Patrons. I have 2 pairs. They will be perfect for Jackson next year. 

 

And I also bought another pair for my father, but He didn't like them. He actually used them at Jackson, but preferred his 192 Elan (like 76mm underfoot, from the late 90s). Beats me?

 

I am selling the ones I bought for my father. He really doesn't enjoy them, and barely skis anymore, so I might as well trade for a ski that I will enjoy.

post #94 of 114
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Oh I know, I know... I love my Patrons. I have 2 pairs. They will be perfect for Jackson next year. 

 

And I also bought another pair for my father, but He didn't like them. He actually used them at Jackson, but preferred his 192 Elan (like 76mm underfoot, from the late 90s). Beats me?

 

I am selling the ones I bought for my father. He really doesn't enjoy them, and barely skis anymore, so I might as well trade for a ski that I will enjoy.


Did your father get to ski them in a foot or more of decent powder? I'd hate to see him miss out on having those skis for powder. It's such a blast. He is your father. Get him out in the good stuff before you make up your mind. If he is still uncomfortable on them, I'd go a step further and have someone look at his skiing, just for a quick powder tune up. Might change that: ....barely skis anymore thing.

post #95 of 114
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Did your father get to ski them in a foot or more of decent powder? I'd hate to see him miss out on having those skis for powder. It's such a blast. He is your father. Get him out in the good stuff before you make up your mind. If he is still uncomfortable on them, I'd go a step further and have someone look at his skiing, just for a quick powder tune up. Might change that: ....barely skis anymore thing.
Dude he did. IDK what was wrong. We had 7 inches at Jackson, same with targhee... And we got to Big Sky with 22 inches falling in the last 3 days... He chose his Elans... I thought it was rather funny actually.
post #96 of 114

You may want to post those Patrons for sale up here too - they may be even more popular on Epic than TGR.

post #97 of 114
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You may want to post those Patrons for sale up here too - they may be even more popular on Epic than TGR.

I had em sellin for cheap... But i need a 98-108 jackson play/charger, So they're strictly for trade now.
post #98 of 114
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I had em sellin for cheap... But i need a 98-108 jackson play/charger, So they're strictly for trade now.

 

You do know that you'd have a hard time finding anyone to trade a modern 98-108 jackson play/charger for a 15-year-old, 192cm Elan with a 76mm waist, right?

 

I'm known to love narrower skis but even I wouldn't touch THAT trade.

post #99 of 114
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Dude he did. IDK what was wrong. We had 7 inches at Jackson, same with targhee... And we got to Big Sky with 22 inches falling in the last 3 days... He chose his Elans... I thought it was rather funny actually.


Then it's about the second part of the suggestion. Powder lessons. no offense intended.

post #100 of 114
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You do know that you'd have a hard time finding anyone to trade a modern 98-108 jackson play/charger for a 15-year-old, 192cm Elan with a 76mm waist, right?

 

I'm known to love narrower skis but even I wouldn't touch THAT trade.

Dude, What???

 

Im talking about my like new Nordica Patrons...

post #101 of 114
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Then it's about the second part of the suggestion. Powder lessons. no offense intended.

its my dad, so no offense taken. He doesn't need powder lessons, He skied the pow well with a 76mm Elan. He just didnt like the new style ski. He'd rather ski pow the old fashion way...

 

Beats me...

post #102 of 114

That's cool. do any of his old codger friends ride powder skis? it's really not a generation thing. I was just butting in because you said he's not skiing a lot, so a new toy and a new thrill might do the trick.

post #103 of 114
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That's cool. do any of his old codger friends ride powder skis? it's really not a generation thing. I was just butting in because you said he's not skiing a lot, so a new toy and a new thrill might do the trick.

He still skies more than the average skier. not average EpicSkier, but average "vacation" skier. he gets in like 10 days a year, but that's not nearly as much as he used to ski. he broke his leg at squaw a couple years ago, and lost the fire for skiing since. hes just over it. he skis the old fashion way though, and if thats all i could do, i wouldnt do it at all. he doesnt jib or even really "rip" anymore. and thats the reason i ski. My first day on skis i wanted to, and did, hit a jump. He has never intentionally gotten air. He doesnt go over 25 mph anymore. He just likes to carve and ski blues and moderate blacks now (rendezvous bowl is about as gnarly as hell get now).

I, personally, think its somewhat a generation thing to not jib.

I tried to give him the new TOY. I took him up to jackson hole, targhee, and big sky so he could ski more of a "big mtn" style for a new THRILL. Hed rather be on groomed than ungroomed. So I should have bought him a pair of 178-182 frontside skis, instead of 193 Patrons.
post #104 of 114
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You may want to post those Patrons for sale up here too - they may be even more popular on Epic than TGR.

I put them up...and nobody cares. 

post #105 of 114
193s are harder to move than 185s. Nice skis though.
post #106 of 114
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193s are harder to move than 185s. Nice skis though.

Dino, I want those caylors. I need a pair of On3ps in my quiver. I feel incomplete without a set of those burly sticks. 

 

and the 193 Patron is way more versatile than most other 190+ fat skis. on my other pair of 193 patrons I have no problem with moguls, trees, or anything tight. They also bomb down Golden Eagle at Beaver Creek too. One of the best skis I have ever skied (i have skied about 10 of the popular fat skis since 2012). Right behind the K2 obsethed. They can really do it all well.

post #107 of 114
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post #108 of 114
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Bought the Moment PB&J, in 188cm. Moment's usually run 2cm short though, so figure 186. Im debating whether or not this was the right decision. I already have the 192 Belafonte as my "other daily driver"** when im feeling chargey and just blasting down rendezvous and hobacks. Im wondering whether the 188 PB&J will easy enough to throw sideways and in the tight trees and chutes? Or should I have gotten the 182(180cm straight tape pull) for a dedicated tree, tech/tight stuff ski, all mountain beginning/end of season. Im wondering if, since its pretty center mounted, that the 188 would still nice and turny. I just figure, Since im 6'3" 180, the 182 would leave me wanting more ski, like my 183 line blend did. (ended up to be the perfect ski for my father now that hes older) 

 

** Other daily driver, what would that be then? Bi-daily driver? Since i plan to use both the PB&J and Belafonte each atleast 2 days a week.

 

Heres the Jackson Quiv

183 Line Blend for slow butterin 188 PB&J for jibbin

192 Belafonte for rippin

196 Governor for business days

193 Nordica Patron for Big Sky Trips, handles tight stuff at the bottom and big mtn lines off the lone peak tram well

K2 Obsethed/Surface New Life for Targhee, surf/snorkel deep day


Edited by SkiSafe - 3/17/13 at 5:57pm
post #109 of 114

To the OP, and back to the original question.  I've owned or skied most of the boards mentioned in this thread, and skied next years triple camber Belefonte, so I know exactly what you mean when you want something like a belefonte but more playful.  The answer you are looking for, including twin tips, is a Liberty Helix.  They were my daily driver last year and should be exactly what you are looking for.  FWIW I've 5'11, 215lb and drive skis hard.

post #110 of 114
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Bought the Moment PB&J, in 188cm. Moment's usually run 2cm short though, so figure 186. Im debating whether or not this was the right decision. I already have the 192 Belafonte as my "other daily driver"** when im feeling chargey and just blasting down rendezvous and hobacks. Im wondering whether the 188 PB&J will easy enough to throw sideways and in the tight trees and chutes? Or should I have gotten the 182(180cm straight tape pull) for a dedicated tree, tech/tight stuff ski, all mountain beginning/end of season. Im wondering if, since its pretty center mounted, that the 188 would still nice and turny. I just figure, Since im 6'3" 180, the 182 would leave me wanting more ski, like my 183 line blend did. (ended up to be the perfect ski for my father now that hes older) 

 

** Other daily driver, what would that be then? Bi-daily driver? Since i plan to use both the PB&J and Belafonte each atleast 2 days a week.

 

Heres the Jackson Quiv

183 Line Blend for slow butterin 188 PB&J for jibbin

192 Belafonte for rippin

196 Governor for business days

193 Nordica Patron for Big Sky Trips, handles tight stuff at the bottom and big mtn lines off the lone peak tram well

K2 Obsethed/Surface New Life for Targhee, surf/snorkel deep day

 

 

Not that I care a whole lot, but if I had your budget, skied with a specific goal in mind for the day, and were your coach,  I'd have a pair of big skis for big days, a pair of 95-105 all mountain skis, a pair of twins for messing around in the park and pipe, and a pair of hard snow carvers. Each address different conditions and goals, and each of those would both expand and refine your experiences. The trouble with what you've got is the risk of having to fart around think WAY too hard about what ski you're going to take where on a particular day and mountain. Friends will get very tired of the 'man, I wish I had my  202 Super Duper Pow Slasher Scoopers today instead of my 198 3/4 Hell Bents. So do you think if I picked up a pair of 196.5 Super Knar Bro Blower Twins  that I'd totally rip this line... ? smile.gif


Edited by markojp - 3/18/13 at 8:18am
post #111 of 114

I think we need to see a photo of this quiver.

post #112 of 114
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I think we need to see a photo of this quiver.

I don't have a pic of them all together, nor a recent pic. These are my skis with me right now, at my parents house in Massachusetts while im waiting/recovering from surgery, and the ones ill be heading out to Jackson with..they're all mounted, this is two pics from September and October when I first got them. The Obsethed has STH 14s, the Patrons and Suface New Lifes have Rossi Axial2 140s. The Moment Governor and Belafonte have fks/pivots. Will take a new pic of them all together, when I get the new Moment PB&J mounted up with some pivots. 

 

 

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post #113 of 114
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To the OP, and back to the original question.  I've owned or skied most of the boards mentioned in this thread, and skied next years triple camber Belefonte, so I know exactly what you mean when you want something like a belefonte but more playful.  The answer you are looking for, including twin tips, is a Liberty Helix.  They were my daily driver last year and should be exactly what you are looking for.  FWIW I've 5'11, 215lb and drive skis hard.

How did the new Mullet Rocker belafonte ski?...Wasn't able to demo anything after SIA.

Here is the link for the 2014 Moment Skis catalog , for anyone interested...

 http://issuu.com/momentskis/docs/moment_catalog_13_14_v6final_highres_small/13 

post #114 of 114

Honestly SkiSafe, it was a little too much of a good thing.  Just like a Race stock GS ski, and about as versatile.  Absolutely destroyed anything in it's path at 40+ mph in the bowl at the top of Bachelor.  Conditions were hard-refrozen with a couple inches of wind deposits.  The Belefontes were the most stable and had the most edge grip of any of the 19 skis I tried.  The problem was that they had only 1 trick....go fast and carve hard in fairly big arcs.  Breaking a tail loose to scrub speed was not part of the plan.  I was on the 187 and my buddy, who weighs about 210 like me, was on the 182.  His comment was that every time you laid it over the edges would seek solid earth.  They were great fun in that kind of wide open space but definitely not versatile enough for a daily driver, more on the lines of a big mountain comp board.  Hence my response to this thread.

 

The guy in the Moment booth said they wanted to enhance edge grip with the new camber design, they did it.  I'd like to try the previous version for comparison.
 

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