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K2 Kung Fujas Question

post #1 of 9
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Hi there, in answer to the 5 questions to help me get the right ski advice:


1. I have spent the last couple of years skiing in the powder of Niseko. More recently skied in Whistler and plan to ski more in Canada, probably Revelstoke or Big White.


2. I like skiing on the groomers and diving off into powder between the trees occasionally. I want to get more experience on powder though and receive more instruction in off-piste.


3. I probably ski for around 14-20 days per year.


4. I would say I am strong intermediate/low advanced - I can handle most blacks, bumps are ok though not a big draw for me. Getting there in powder.


5. Weight: 75kg and Height: 6'3" - around 187cm


I would be keen to find a ski that suits a number of purposes.


My question relates to the K2 Kung Fujas. In Japan I was lucky enough to demo a pair for a few days (179cm length) and found them really enjoyable to ski on. They seemed responsive and to work well in powder (ankle/knee deep) as well as on groomed runs. In essence I fell in love with them a bit!


My future skiing is likely to take me more to Canada - most recently in Whistler I was unable to hire/try the K2's again - I was recommended to try the Atomic Rituals which I did not like. I struggle to get them to work on piste - the seemed to slide about a lot rather than edge although didn't get to try them in powder. I settled with a good all-round Rossignol for the week but never really found the fun I had felt on the K2's. 


As I will be in Canada for my next trips, most likely Revelstoke or Big White I was wondering whether it was likely I could try the K2's again with a view to possibly buying them? If not, can anyone recommend skis that may feel similar to demo?


If not again, then I may consider buying the K2's before I go - the only question I would have relates to the length. I got on fine with the 179's but wonder what difference it would make to have the 189's. In an ideal world I'd like to demo them but this doesn't look possible so any advice appreciated. The only downside to the Kung Fuja's was that they seemed a little slow - maybe the 189's would help? My Rossignols recently were a bit longer and I liked them although responsiveness was less (but they are a totally different ski).


A final recommendation would be on the bindings side - any good bindings to match up with the Kung Fujas?


A bit of info here so I really appreciate any help/advice given!

post #2 of 9

Welcome to EpicSki.  I think the Rituals were in need of a good tune.  I skied Rituals at Big Sky last Friday and they held an edge of some hard groomers just fine, not like a SL or GS race ski but more than adequate.  But, if you really liked the Kung Fujas, why are you not buying a pair?  As for bindings, just about any binding where the maximum DIN is above what you need by at least 2 or 3 and the brake is either as wide or just slightly wider than the ski underfoot will work.  So, if you need a DIN of 10, a binding that goes to 12 or 14 will work.  If the ski is 100mm underfoot, you need a brake that is 98-110mm wide.

post #3 of 9

I have a set of 2008/2009 Kung Fujas (key difference is a 95mm waist instead of 102) in a 189. I'm 6' 1" and 215ish lbs.


I has surprised at the hard snow performance of them, especially because this is a pretty floppy ski.  In 3 years of skiing this ski, I've never really found hardpack I couldn't get an edge in. They can be made to lay down some fairly agressive railroad tracks, but is not a carver by any means.


Powder up to about 2 feet is great on these. I'm not a zipper line bump skier, but have always enjoyed skiing them in moguls.


The main drawbacks:


1. Not really a wonderful ski for tight trees with the 189.  The rocker tip/tail camber setup doesn't really seem to add a lot of slarve ability to the ski.


2. I really struggle with this ski in crud.  The length, longer turn radius makes for a pretty wide arc/carve turn in crud, which gathers up speed well beyond my comfort zone skiing treed steeps.  The floppy nature of the ski makes it hard to throw a lot of force in to bend the ski without the ski getting pushed off track in the snow surface. As above, they don't really have a lot of smear/slarve action, so that's really not an option, and of course skidding to burn off speed is going to punich you in crud, and the tails will hook with this ski.  If you are not comfortable nuking treed steeps in crud at 30-40mph, this may not be the best ski.



These days, if I wear this ski, I'm simply not planning to go off-piste and am sticking to groomers and moguls. I have a 2008-2009 Obsethed (105) waist that is better on anything but really hard snow.


Of course the rub here is that the new models are a 102 waist, and probably ski closer to the 105 waist Seths than mine (although I believe they have a milder rocker profile).

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies guys.


mtcyclist - your question as to why I haven't bought them is valid, I wish I had! I haven't actually been able to find them since trying them in Japan so in their absence on the last couple of trips I have taken the time to demo some other models to make sure the K2's really were as good as I thought they were. So far it seems right. But I am also a careful buyer - I could think of nothing worse than spending big money on a set of skis that don't work - my experience with the Rituals and also thinking about it the Volkl Mantras I just didn't enjoy.


Throwing another spanner in the work is the recommendation to definitely try out Line's model of Prophet and Sir Francis Bacon skis before buying the K2's. As with all things, opinions vary but I want to be 100% sure when I buy as I plan to use the skis for some time to come.


Any more advice appreciated - feel free to add opinions on the Line models too!


Anachronism - I found the 179's nimble and quick to turn so maybe these are the best size for me. I'll look into it more - thanks for your thoughts.

post #5 of 9
Originally Posted by mta00jtl View Post

I want to be 100% sure when I buy as I plan to use the skis for some time to come.


Sorry, but if you wait until you are 100% sure, you will never buy, because there is no way to be 100% sure that any given ski is the "perfect" ski for you.  The reason you can never actually be 100% sure is that you cannot demo a ski in all conditions that you might someday encounter.  It just isn't possible.  I spent three days last week skiing 16 different skis at Snowbasin, Utah and Big Sky, Montana.  The conditions at the two areas were very different and I skied different skis at each area.  The maximum number of runs I did on any ski was three.  Out of all those skis, I found seven that I could be pretty happy owning and two that I will buy.  Did I ski them in all possible conditions?  No, but for the two I will buy, Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT and Atomic Ritual, I skied them in conditions that were representative of what I will use them for and they were excellent.  Will I be disappointed with either when I encounter different conditions?  I doubt it, but there is no way to know for sure.  I am not 100% sure that these are the perfect ski for me, but I am 100% sure I had a helluva good time when I was skiing them and that's all anyone can really ask.  A ski is not a forever purchase, in fact around here we say "you marry boots and date skis."  

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks for that mtcyclist! You are absolutely right - for what I ski on (groomed and some powder) the K2's felt really great and I can imagine they would be fine on the other conditions I haven't tried. I think I may go for them on that basis...thanks for the impetus!

post #7 of 9

At your current ability level, the KF's are a very good choice. It's not surprising that you don't like the Mantra and Ritual... Both require more input to ski well. Next season's Rossi Soul 7 should be on your lost as well.

post #8 of 9

i love my kung fujas...


its my go to ski... and my fattest...


I am taking it to SLC in 4 weeks...i have had it now for 3 full seasons... had problems with my bindings on them but love the ski...


i am 189cm tall and have the 179... it certainly skis short... but best thing is you can ski it at 80mph on piste then go into the bumps and it is fun in there... It was good in POW but more at home in Euro POW compared to SLC POW... by all means it is not the best for every condition but it is good at all of them... and the only ski i would replace this with is a fatter ski... 


i love mine but then there is always other skis out there that are similar... 

post #9 of 9

don't forget binding mount position on these skis.  there is a positon for park/switch(forward) and another for freeride/ real skiing towads the back.  this can have a eral effect on how "quick" the ski feels.  I demoed a pair a couple years ago the narrower model and thought they were great and very quick in the pow excellent for tree skiing.  BTW I never slarve. 



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