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High-end demos at Mammoth: tune quality of Canyon Lodge vs. private shops (Footloose, Kittridge, etc.)

post #1 of 17
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I'll be going up to Mammoth for three days in a couple of weeks.  I've not demoed skis in a long time, and I'd like to try some high-end demos.  We'll be staying the in Village, so the most convenient rental location would be Mammoth's own Canyon Lodge.  But I've found tune quality is critical, so can anyone tell me how Mammoth's demos compare with those from the private shops down the road, particularly Footloose and Kittridge?  

post #2 of 17

I can't compare to the shops in town, but having demoed out of both Canyon and Main lodge last year, and being with my brother who demoed for two days out of Main lodge this year, their tunes and waxing appeared to be really good. That being said, we have always gotten great service at Footloose. I would expect that their skis would also be very well-tuned.

 

Have a blast. We won't be going back until the end of March. I just love that mountain.

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Thanks contesstant.  Called Footloose and they seem to have a particularly nice selection, including  Stockli and Kastle.

post #4 of 17

I can't speak for F or K as I only demo'd at Canyon but I was very happy with the selection and service at Mammoth Mountain proper. Advantages of demoing at the resort are that you can swap out skis as much as you want throughout the day and keep them multiple days, too. At the shops in town, you have to get them back by 9 am the next day (I think that's the time). While they might let you swap them out during the day (not sure if they do that), no one is going to pack up from skiing and drive back to town and then go back up to the mountain with a new pair. In doing demo research, I was told by Footloose that if I wanted to use the same skis the next day then they'd sell me a new pair at that point and pass the demos on to someone else (or I could demo something else). Mammoth doesn't have Blizzard, so I didn't get to try the much touted Bonafides (Footloose sold all their new ones and their demo pair at the time). I demo'd Mantras, E88s, and Prophet 98s at Canyon. I'm not sure what other lines they have. You can swap skis between Canyon and Main, too. Wax and tune was nice on the skis I demo'd, bases in great shape--not abused.

post #5 of 17
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Thanks 3whoSki.  I need to find out what Canyon has.  Called Mammoth's 800 no. and they said they didn't know, and couldn't put me directly in touch with the demo shop.  So I just sent them an email--maybe that way I'll get the info. The most recent list I've found is from 2010:  http://forums.mammothmountain.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8904&start=0#p151222

 

Footloose did say if it wasn't too busy (maybe on Friday), they might be able to let me take out two skis for the day at no extra charge.  Though I agree that it would be great not to have to drive down the road each evening to swap out skis, and to be able to change on the mountain.

post #6 of 17

Yeah, Footloose is a great shop with good service.

 

As for Mammoth not having Blizzards; last year, they didn't at Canyon but did at Main. This year, they didn't at Main but we didn't check at Canyon. (I ended up buying the Black Pearls I demoed there last year biggrin.gif) I hope you get an answer from them and perhaps suggest they need to make this info more readily available. If they don't and you want to demo Blizzards, they DO have them at Footloose and I'm pretty sure they also do at Kittridge. (Footloose did NOT carry them last year.)

 

I will second the fact that renting on the hill is fun, as you CAN swap out as much as you want with minimal hassle. My brother swapped out a few times because nothing was appealing to him until he got on some Head Rev 85's. Prior to those he took out Kendos and E88's.

 

Please report back what you end up doing. And also if you get a response from the mountain on what they have available. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by contesstant View Post

Yeah, Footloose is a great shop with good service.

 

As for Mammoth not having Blizzards; last year, they didn't at Canyon but did at Main. This year, they didn't at Main but we didn't check at Canyon. (I ended up buying the Black Pearls I demoed there last year biggrin.gif) I hope you get an answer from them and perhaps suggest they need to make this info more readily available. If they don't and you want to demo Blizzards, they DO have them at Footloose and I'm pretty sure they also do at Kittridge. (Footloose did NOT carry them last year.)

 

I will second the fact that renting on the hill is fun, as you CAN swap out as much as you want with minimal hassle. My brother swapped out a few times because nothing was appealing to him until he got on some Head Rev 85's. Prior to those he took out Kendos and E88's.

 

Please report back what you end up doing. And also if you get a response from the mountain on what they have available. Thanks!

No Blizzards at either so far this year. Canyon has Line Skis but Main does not but that doesn't keep one from exchanging skis for something else at one or the other. They have their staff run the skis back to whatever lodge they came from unless someone demos them out before they can. Yep, swapping out skis at will is a cool thing. I was SO happy to get rid of the Mantras after only 4 runs as they were just too much for me.

post #8 of 17

Good to know they aren't carrying Blizzard this year. Too bad as I gushed to the demo folks over mine when I bought them. I also checked my original skis out of Canyon and swapped them out at Main when I saw they had the Black Pearls.

 

Another perk is they will apply the demo cost towards the purchase cost if you buy the skis. 

post #9 of 17
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OK, here's the story.  Got no reply to my email, so I called 1-800-Mammoth, and the fellow consulted his '12-'13 Excel spreadsheet, which said they demo various Blizzards (Cochise, Bonafide, Black Pearl).  But I figured this was incorrect, since 3WhoSki reported otherwise.  So I asked for the numbers of the demo shops and spoke with the one at Main Lodge directly.  Turns out 3WhoSki is correct, and their Excel spreadsheet is not -- no Blizzards.  FYI, here are the numbers: 760-934-2571, then dial extension 3381 for Canyon, 3281 for Main.  Weekday hours are 7:30-6 and 7:30-5, respectively.  Based on my experience, it's much easier to get someone on the line from Main.

 

They have many brands, didn't record them all, but here's the main ones, followed by the skis they said might be of interest to me (ex-racer looking to try an all-mountain ski without giving up too much frontside performance), as well as a few others I noted (waist widths in parentheses):

 

Atomic: nothing of interest

Head: Rev 85, Supershape Titan (78)

K2: Bolt (72, 10% rocker), Rictor (80, 30% rocker), Aftershock (86, 30% rocker), Sideshow (90, 30% rocker)

Line: Prophet 98, full rocker? (not at Main, prob. at Village)

Nordica: Fire Arrow 80 Ti, full rocker?

Rossi: 88

Volkl: RTM 80 (full rocker), RTM 84 (full rocker), Kendo (89, tip rocker), Bridge (95, full rocker), Mantra (98, tip rocker), Shiro (119, full rocker)

 

The selection at Footloose is a bit more interesting for me (they have many of these plus Stockli, Kastle, Elan, and the Atomic Crimson Ti), and it's cheaper ($45 vs. $59).  So I'll probably use Canyon for the Heads and Volkls (and maybe a K2 or Nordica), and hit Footloose for the Stocklis and Kastles

post #10 of 17

Thanks for the info!! Great detective work cool.gif

post #11 of 17

Nice intel work! I demo'd the Prophet 98s for two days and have since bought a pair. They have early-rise rocker tip and tail. The P98 is a very fun ski. It'll be very different for you being from a race background--not as snappy as a race ski obviously and the width might feel odd at first. It was my widest ski to ever try but it didn't feel wide after a couple runs. I thought they worked great in Mammoth's fresh and packed powder. They were very fun on the groomers too. Line skis were only at Canyon Lodge but you can swap them out at Main.

post #12 of 17

So much for demoing, as the last 4 pairs of skis I bought were not available anywhere I was.  Hopefully by mid March, Mammoth will be getting dumped on and I will see you up there, so to speakwink.gif

post #13 of 17
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Here's the results of my 3 days of demoing at Mammoth:

http://www.epicski.com/t/119277/ex-racer-demos-modern-skis-titan-rev85-rtm84-kendo-proph98-finds-himself-delighted-and-confused

Footloose didn't have much available for me in the Stocklis and Kastles -- most were either out all weekend or already sold -- so all my demoing was from the Village, Canyon, and Main Lodge locations at Mammoth.  The Lines are available at Canyon only (unless someone has just returned them to one of the other locations and they've not had a chance to shuttle them back).

post #14 of 17
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2013-14 MAMMOTH ON-MOUNTAIN DEMO INFO.:

 

I just spoke to Mammoth's Main Lodge rental shop to see what brands they'll have this season and, within those brands, what wider skis they'll be offering.  They're still organizing their stock, but based on a quick look they'll have: Rossi (Soul 7, Sin 7, Super 7), Atomic (Bent Chetler), Volkl (One, Two, Shiro), Armada (JJ, but at Canyon Lodge only), Line (Pollard), Nordica (Patron, Steadfast), K2 (Pettitor), Head (one of the Flights), and Salomon.  No Dynastar (unless he just forgot to mention it), Blizzard, Praxis, Icelantic, or ON3P -- they were thinking about Icelantic, but decided there wasn't enough demand; Blizzard they don't have for other reasons.

 

As I'd rather not have to do this detective work, I had earlier suggested they put together a complete spreadsheet showing all their models and sizes on post it online.  They actually listened, and told me they hope to have it up by or near opening day on Nov. 7.  And I repeated my earlier suggestion that a demo day would be nice, and they said they were now considering having one near Chair 2, staffed by an instructor, where all the skis they had could be tried out, for the usual two runs max, for free.  I mentioned it would be great if they could do it in collaboration with the in-town shops and the brands they carry, so that they could feature a wider range of manufacturers (adding, e.g., Stockli, Blizzard, Dynastar, Kastle, etc.), and further suggested that they could then market it as a big event and thus bring more skiers up to the mountain.  He said he'd take the idea to his boss.  We'll see what happens -- but the shops are competitors, so I don't hold out much hope.

 

Also, Main Lodge rental's extension has changed to x3270 (still on  760-934-2571).


Edited by chemist - 10/28/13 at 12:52pm
post #15 of 17

I was informed of why no Blizzard last year when I asked when I was demoing one day :( Guess maybe we should pressure Footloose to participate in a demo day, not that we'd probably be able to make it up for it, but still...

 

Thanks tons for contacting them about this with your excellent ideas! It'd be nice to be able to look online to see what they have available.

post #16 of 17
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You're welcome contesstant, happy to help.  I forgot the reason why Mammoth doesn't have Blizzard, but I guess it's because one of the in-town shops didn't want the competition.  Conversely, however, I understand the barrier to having a single consolidated demo day isn't the in-town shops, it's Mammoth -- right now they've got a monopoly on on-mountain demos, and are reluctant to give that up, even for a day, because demos can lead to sales, and Mammoth sells skis.  [So no need to push Footloose on that -- I believe they would be happy to participate in a Mammoth on-mountain demo day, if Mammoth would let them.]

post #17 of 17

I was told it is because an in-town shop doesn't want the competition. Glad I was able to demo my Blizzards during the beginning of the 2012 season on mountain because I DID buy them ;)

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