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Review: 2014 The Ski by Bobbie Burns and Scott

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Review:

This is the ski that I was gaga over when I heard it was coming our for 2014. First off all, in the fairness of "full disclosure", I am a The Ski aficionado, I own numerous pair of originals and ski them often. Tricia and I have many The Ski Demetre sweaters that create much attention. With that said, the NEW The Ski skis as well as I had hoped it would. I have had a chance to spend numerous days on both the 175 and 185's and I was pleasantly surprised how much fun they were. If you notice down below, Scott varies the dimensions according to length, a design aspect that I would like to see more manufactures institute. But also Scott integrates a 3Dimension sidecut, a medium radius tip, a long radius mid body and a short radius tail. The sidecut design incorporated with a progressive early rise tip, makes The Ski perform with a slinkiness in a multitude of terrain environments. I skied the 185cm (Brown) at Squaw and off of Granite Chief, it is skied great in the tighter trees and drops and particularly in the bumps that were weeks old and fairly firm with 2-4" of fresh on top it didn't feel long at all. I also spent a couple of days on the 175cm (White) at Northstar playing on the groomers and the bumps and trees in Monument Glades and never really felt the 175cm was too short but I definitely felt it's playfulness.  While I am not a fan of 10cm increments in model offerings, Scott does get away with it here. 

 

 

AppleMarkEvery so often at the shop, people come in and are looking for an "all mountain ski" that is good in the bumps. I will say that because of the heritage of The Ski and Bobbie Burns's input, this is one of the best options for versatility and bumps. 

 

As I mentioned, I knew going into this review, I would be looking at these with a bias so I got them on the feet of a good friend/customer that was looking for a narrower ski to complement her 98/110/112mm quiver. I didn't want to give her any preconceived notions so I let her ski them before we talked about the attributes and she loved the playfulness and how well they skied in the bumps, and she likes skiing bumps. Plus, she really did dig the yellow 165mm's graphics. 

 

So, if you are looking for a playful 90mmish ski that as fun in the bumps as it is on the groomers, The Ski should be on your short list. I will warn you though, you will not get a ski that is more of a conversation starter that these are. So be it on the lift, in the lift line or just walking to and from the parking lot. be prepared to answer a lot of questions and be ready to listen to a lot of stories. So, these are not for "wallflowers". 

 

Please also check out my article and interview from SIA and Bobbie Burns. 

 

 

Product:

Length Tested: 175cm, 185cm

Dimensions/Turn Radius: Vary from length to length with 3Dimension sidecut)

155cm: 88mm underfoot (14M/18M/11M)

165cm: 89mm underfoot (15M/19M/12M)

175cm: 91mm underfoot (16M/20M/13M)-Demoed

185cm: 93mm underfoot (18M/23M/15M)-Demoed

Camber: Early Rise Tip  w/camber

Binding: Tyrolia demo

Mount point: Suggested 

MAP: $699.00

 

Environment & Conditions:

Location of Test: Northstar, Squaw and Winter Park

Number of Runs: Many

Snow Conditions: Week old packed and groomed

Demo or Own: Demo

 

Tester Info:

Username: Philpug

Age: 49

Height/Weight: 5'10" 185lb

Ski Days/Season: 60+

Years Skiing: 35

Aggressiveness: Moderate (Finesse) 

Current Quiver:  14 Blizzard Brahma, 14 Blizzard Bonafide, 14 Vagabond, 13 Blizzard Gunsmoke, plus various vintage skis

Home Area: Squaw & Northstar

Preferred Terrain: bumps, off-piste, trees

 

post #2 of 89

Phil - with the 3Dimension sidecut, are you positive that the tighter radius is found in the tail and not the tip?  That's an interesting design decision with a tighter radius tail.

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

Phil - with the 3Dimension sidecut, are you positive that the tighter radius is found in the tail and not the tip?  That's an interesting design decision with a tighter radius tail.

Looking at their product information..yup. Needless to say they are fun out of the turn, 

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So I have to ask, is Start Haus considering bringing in some Scott skis for next season or maybe it will only be The Ski? 

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

Phil - with the 3Dimension sidecut, are you positive that the tighter radius is found in the tail and not the tip?  That's an interesting design decision with a tighter radius tail.

It is an interesting design decision. Similar to the BMX 108 but with tighter radiuses. It is also the opposite of some 4 or 5 year old Scott Crusades I own.

My question for Phil or anyone else who has skied it is how is its for edge grip moderate and faster speeds? For nostalgic reasons, I am really intrigued by these skis.
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I don't know about going from 20m to 12m by getting back in the 175.

Sounds dangerous.

I guess it's OK if you are good enough but....why?

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It is an interesting design decision. Similar to the BMX 108 but with tighter radiuses. It is also the opposite of some 4 or 5 year old Scott Crusades I own.

My question for Phil or anyone else who has skied it is how is its for edge grip moderate and faster speeds? For nostalgic reasons, I am really intrigued by these skis.

 

The Ski is one of those skis that I could ski in 2 lengths, depending on the feel/terrain I wanted out of the ski. The 175 was nimble, playful and a blast in tight bumps, I could carve with it and at letting it open up, it didn't feel too short but I did feel I was near it's limits. The 185 wasn't quite as nimble in the bumps as the 175, but more nimble than my 180 Brahmas or Bonafides, and felt a bit more stable in high speed turns than the 175cm. 

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

So I have to ask, is Start Haus considering bringing in some Scott skis for next season or maybe it will only be The Ski? 

Just The Ski. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Just The Ski. 

 

Even so, it shows that Start Haus truly is a "skiers' ski shop" in that you guys really test the gear and bring in what you feel is best for your customers.  Bringing in The Ski and possibly some Stockli goodness definitely shows a willingness to "branch out". wink.gif

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I got a chance to ski one run on The Ski after Phil and I swapped the skis last Tue for the run down the mountain.  First of all, BEST...TOPSHEET...EVER...   Limited skiing impressions:  I was coming off the Enforcer, and that ski is unquestionably much more ski that The SKI.  In comparison, the SKI felt softer, with noticeably less powerful turn.  On the other hand it felt really good in bumps, compliant, slinky, and just easy to whip around.  I am not the greatest bump skier by far  (at least my extension/flexion is very limited, see photo for an example, that's not The Ski, but rather my regular 187 Bonafides), but The SKI felt like it would make bumps easier than they should be.  So, this is a bit more than a great topsheet in search of a ski,  it's probably a great intermediate ski and a very good ski for a light mellow advanced skier who likes a ski that can come around easily and does not have to be skied with much oomph.  Aggressive experts will probably find it lacking.    

 

Now we just need to convince Scott and Nordica to marry and make the Enforcer with TheSKI's top sheet.  That would be one hell lot of a product.  

 

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Alex,

i agree with you that the top sheets are the best ever...there are plenty of threads here that also talk about that.  I know you only got one run on these and I felt along the same line a you when I skied them for only one run in winter park but I have also found the more that I ski them, the more I like them. As you said, they almost ski too easy and that is where they are deceiving...even pushing the skis hard they still performed very well. I think all but the biggest skiers that have an extra long cranium or their knuckles are dragging will like these. 

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So the obvious question - will you be bringing some pairs to Montana?  Please!  biggrin.gif

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I was watching all the smiling Phil did at Bobby Burns during the video, and, was wondering who he went home with that night? rolleyes.gif

 

Noodler,

Phil hinted a pair with demo bindings just may make the trip.

 

@ Phil

Best video review you've ever done!


Edited by Living Proof - 2/27/13 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

 

Even so, it shows that Start Haus truly is a "skiers' ski shop" in that you guys really test the gear and bring in what you feel is best for your customers.  Bringing in The Ski and possibly some Stockli goodness definitely shows a willingness to "branch out". wink.gif

Naw, it just shows the dark side of Phil's OCD. 

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We were out testing various sizes today....

 

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Phil, gotta say that the white's you're holding are about the coolest graphic I've seen since Kastles showed up. So obviously they will rock in bumps, which means they will rock in trees most days, and I doubt they'll be a threat to MX88's for stability at speed, but what's the verdict for everyday speeds on everyday variable snow, patches of ice, the other stuff we encounter on the way to and from crucifying our knees? 

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I got a chance to ski them at SIA and it was definitely one of the skis i looked forward to the most since I loved the graphics and was at least somewhat aware of the history behind The Ski.  Checking them out in Denver I was a little surprised at how soft the flex was which made me a little nervous when I get out on the hill at Winter Park.  At 5'10" and 240 lbs. I'm use to skiing more burly stuff.  The snow at Winter Park on the main runs was pretty firm and I definitely felt like The Ski had a lower speed limit than I am use to but at the same time it was a lot of fun.  I would love to try it in some softer conditions because I think it would be an absolute blast. I also think The Ski could easily suit a wide range of ability levels.  

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I loved these boards back in the day! I'll surely give them a try when available to demo in my area.
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what's the dimensions of the ski? tail... spatula?


Edited by monax - 2/28/13 at 11:37am
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Phil, gotta say that the white's you're holding are about the coolest graphic I've seen since Kastles showed up. So obviously they will rock in bumps, which means they will rock in trees most days, and I doubt they'll be a threat to MX88's for stability at speed, but what's the verdict for everyday speeds on everyday variable snow, patches of ice, the other stuff we encounter on the way to and from crucifying our knees? 

 

 

They look even better in person...

 

I tried the 175 (white) and 185 (black) a few days ago; first runs were on the 185, they felt... natural.  These skis transition from old turn to new as predictably  as any I have been on; they never felt vague, or hooky.

 

No, they are not a threat to the MX88 (I own them in 178) for grip, but as far as speed, that’s a tough one; I ripped GS/SG turns all morning, and whether I laid them over as much as I could, or gave them just enough edge to let them run without any bases-flat wandering (even the MX doesn’t dig bases-flat maching), I never detected nervousness (caveat: see below for sidecut thoughts).  Granted, these were rather lovely western groomers, but that’s why I am being specific to make a distinction between speed and grip vis a vis The Ski and the MX.

 

The 175 was also surprisingly stable at speed (hooray midweek empty pistes!), I was expecting more difference in stability than I experienced.  The 175 was definitely better in bumps; it was there that the extra 10cm probably showed the biggest disparity in performance.  But I was so stoked with the 175’s ‘anything you can do, I can do, too’ attitude, that I got back on the 185s for more data…

 

There was crud to be had in the trees, and irregular surfaces on runs that weren’t groomed recently, under the lifts.  I would give the nod to the 185 there, it felt more planted.  Like any quiver choice, it boils down to what you want that slot to do for you.

 

The ‘trick’ to understanding The (modern) Ski (for me, YMMV) was understanding the relationship between longer radius in the tip and shorter radius in the tail.  You can actually feel it if you are engaging the whole ski through the latter half of the turn.  If you aren’t pressuring the tongue of your liners a bit, the front of the ski wants to vibrate and warn you of washing out, like a stall warning in an airplane.  It seems to be because the back of the ski is generating more force than the front as it loads up later in the turn (need some egghead to tell me what kind of force this is, thanks in advance) due to the tighter radius.  I ended up geeking out on the sensation of the ski (err, The Ski) telling me just where to be to have the tips pulling me across the hill solidly and the tails finishing the turn in a satifying way.  I am sold on this design.

 

This was my first chance to demo two skis of the same model, but different lengths; at the risk of making the demo process even more complex, I highly recommend it.  It distilled my thoughts even more, gave me a clearer picture of what I wanted out of the ski.

 

The Ski is a real ski, not a disappointing noodle with a pretty face (like my 4SReplicas...).

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 With all the crazy ski tech in the last few years I'm actually surprised that this reintroduced line is getting noticed at all. I'm glad that The Ski is making a positive impression with some in the sea of really good skis out there. It will be interesting to see what Bobbie and SCOTT do with this line as things go forward........... I'll need to get a demo for a day next season.  

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Originally Posted by monax View Post

what's the dimensions of the ski? tail... spatula?

Sorry for the delay. Without putting a micrometer in the skis, the 175's tip/tail are about 138/128 and the 165's are about 136/126 of course in MM's. 

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Phil, gotta say that the white's you're holding are about the coolest graphic I've seen since Kastles showed up. So obviously they will rock in bumps, which means they will rock in trees most days, and I doubt they'll be a threat to MX88's for stability at speed, but what's the verdict for everyday speeds on everyday variable snow, patches of ice, the other stuff we encounter on the way to and from crucifying our knees? 

The white 175's are about the coolest graphics since the last white The Ski from the early 80's. As for their ability to rock in the bumps, one of the best best non bump skis  of late that I have skied in the bumps. 

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Sounds like the "coolest" graphics are most appealing to a certain age demographic.....ones that actually remember the originals LOL.

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Quick test notes courtesy of my wife who had a chance to take out the blue 155 TheSki, this Sunday at Squaw (thanks Phil and StartHaus!).  The upper mountain had a few inches of wet fresh snow on top of old beat-up moguls, the bottom was pure sticky mess.  As a background, her daily driver is a pair of K2 FatLuvs which she uses everywhere except total bulletproof days when the BurningLuvs come out.   She is not an aggressive skier by any stretch, but as a long time Squaw skier she is comfortable on most terrain.   Not surprisingly, beefy macho skis don't go well with her.

The first thing I heard when I took TheSki off the rack was "oh, those look very good".. The celeste blue topsheet of the 155 is very nicely done indeed.  There is a decent amount of tip rocker up front, and a fairly conventional tail in the back.  I believe the waist on those is 88mm.    

 

Here is her feedback verbatim:

- TheSki felt quite fast, definitely faster than my skis
- Great in soft bumps. I've never felt as confident in bumps as I did yesterday. They seemed just very stable and were doing exactly what I wanted them to.
- Nice in powder, too, easy to turn.
-The only thing I didn't like was that it seemed that I was catching an edge much more frequently that usual, both in soft snow and on flat groomed surface close to the lift. 
 
My own impressions from watching her ski were that first of all, this was the first demo that she didn't want to kick off her feet after the first run.  Second, the snow on Sunday was pretty tricky, and she seemed to be able to ski lines that would trouble her in regular snow fairly effortlessly.  I did notice some tip vibration on fast groomers, but that's expected from a rockered ski and it didn't affect the turns. To me it looked like (aside from the tip hookiness that she noted) the skis were fairly forgiving of technical imperfections, which is a very good thing for the Ski's target group. The bump performance was indeed remarkable, this is something I also noticed on my quick run on the 185s a week ago, they just slink their way through the moguls.   Overall, I am impressed, this could be a good choice for a mellow skier that does not need a ski that can go "mach schnell" straightlining chutes, but could use all the help a ski can provide in problem terrain.  I think the "bump-ability" of The Ski could be a real asset there.  The Volkl/Blizzard/Nordica crowd probably does not need to apply, but they are not the whole market.   And don't underestimate the appeal of this top sheet smile.gif.
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As a side note, I posted some interesting info on the origins of the original The Ski in the "More retro memories???" thread.

Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

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The Ski 185s came to Apex so I got to try them again. I am 6 ft 160 lbs, moderately aggressive. No new snow for a couple of weeks  so the second first impressions were pretty much the same as when I took them out at Big White. Very quick turning, very stable at any speed I generally ski at, very fun. But in the old snow serious bumps at Apex they felt a bit planky and the 175s might have been the answer there.  They handled the steeper  crud quite nicely with above average grip underfoot. Then we got 11 inches of dry, medium density snow overnight and I took them out again but not in time for first tracks. They really came alive in the bumps, smooth as silk in the chop, nice float and of course....great graphics!   I thought they were on the soft side when hand flexed but seemed to ski a bit stiffer and are a bit heavy but they heli just fine :)

 

Could not resist the photo-op

 

 

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great!

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what's the dimensions of the ski? tail... spatula?


roflmao.gif130/90/112 for the 175cms...

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Sorry for the delay. Without putting a micrometer in the skis, the 175's tip/tail are about 138/128 and the 165's are about 136/126 of course in MM's. 

 



Sorry Philpug I had not seen your reponse...
in France they announce 130/90/112 for the 175?

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