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Looking for a a ski for Western trips.

post #1 of 18
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for advice on a pair of skis to buy for my trips out West. I'm a PA skier and I use a ski that's 74mm underfoot for the hardback around here, but I make 1-2 trips out West per year. I'm looking for something to take with me rather than demoing skis every time. Right now I'm down to the Mantras and the Bonafides. I'd like something that can handle the groomers, but also is good for the occasional powder day. I'm 6'1", 220 and I ski 174 k2 chargers at the moment. In either ski, what size would be good for me? What would be a good binding for either ski? I know there are some current threads on these skis but I didn't want to detract from them.
post #2 of 18

At 220 I think you should be on 185ish on either ski. Bindings with a max din in the 14-15 range.

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At 220 I think you should be on 185ish on either ski. Bindings with a max din in the 14-15 range.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I was also thinking in the 180's. I just want to make sure they'll be nimble enough to hit trees and bumps. I think the mantra comes in 184 and the Bones come in 187, but they would ski a little shorter, no?  

post #4 of 18

187 Bonfaide

184 Mantra

 

They're actually about the same length.  For some reason Volkls measure much longer than their printed length. 

I'm pretty much the exact height and weight as you.  The 180 Bonafide is fine on groomers at moderate speeds

and is better in hardpacked off piste but any time there is new snow or you want to go a little faster it's definitely

not enough ski.  The longer length will give you much better weight distribution in softer snow.  For a western

ski the 187 is the ideal length.

 

Any bindings with a DIN setting above 12 would be fine.

 

Jester or Griffon, STH 14 or 16, You don't need the 18 DIN FKS/Pivot.  I don't know the Tyrolia line well enough

but their bindings are well liked by the people that ski them.
 

post #5 of 18

Well,

 

I live weigh about 215 and live out west and go to dealer demo days every year.  You've selected two of my top picks.  I would go with the Mantra if you are a hard charger, are going to be mostly on firmer surfaces, AND don't get in the back seat.  The bonafide is probably a little more versatile but doesn't have the acceleration out of the turn that the mantra has.  The Nordica Hell & Back would be another one to look at.  FWIW my daily driver is a Cochise.  Does a fine job on groomers, slithers through trees, credible in bumps, and is a superior crud chopper.  The bonafide is similar.  Hard to go too far wrong with the Bonafide.  If you are a little more laid back you might look at an Atomic Alibi as well.  The Dynastar Cham's seem to elicit a love or hate response.  For me personally, I won't say that I hate them but I'm definitely come down in the don't like camp.

 

Hope this is of some use.

 

LT
 

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If you are a little more laid back you might look at an Atomic Alibi as well.  

 

I would recommend the Atomic Ritual over the Alibi.  I skied them both yesterday and the Ritual is now on my list for next season.  At 103mm underfoot, some camber and tip and tail rocker, not a huge amount though, it is a very versatile ski.  I skied it on hard groomers, with and without piles of loose snow form the overnight storm, bumps, bumped up trees, a steep narrow chute and some untracked powder.  I will be selling my Icelantic Shamans in favor to the Ritual as my deeper snow and possibly tree ski.  The Alibi just didn't have the same feel and didn't seem as responsive.  YMMV

post #7 of 18

I haven't been on a Ritual but I might be able to get on a pair tomorrow.  Friend of mine has them and likes them very much.  Looks like they should be a really good stick.

post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the advice!  I think I'm set on the Bonafieds, I found a pair of 187's online. Now I need to pick a binding. 

post #9 of 18

Salmon STH 14 Driver. 100mm width

post #10 of 18
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Coming back to this thread for some more discussion. I am still in the market for some skis to use out west. I was set on the bonafides but I drug my feet and they sold out.

I'm still up in the air on what to get. These will be used for trips to the western ski resorts and rarely in the east when it dumps. I'm really not sure what width to go with. 88mm or 98mm. I'd love to discuss my options and hear any suggestions on some skis that would fit the bill.

For what it's worth I was in breckenridge last season and used the Rossi E88's and liked them on the groomers but didn't love them in softer snow.
post #11 of 18
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Coming back to this thread for some more discussion. I am still in the market for some skis to use out west. I was set on the bonafides but I drug my feet and they sold out.

I'm still up in the air on what to get. These will be used for trips to the western ski resorts and rarely in the east when it dumps. I'm really not sure what width to go with. 88mm or 98mm. I'd love to discuss my options and hear any suggestions on some skis that would fit the bill.

For what it's worth I was in breckenridge last season and used the Rossi E88's and liked them on the groomers but didn't love them in softer snow.

It's this point if you thinking in getting some last season skis, do you have anything that you have found and available to buy right now? Are you gonna wait for 13/14 skis?

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It's this point if you thinking in getting some last season skis, do you have anything that you have found and available to buy right now? Are you gonna wait for 13/14 skis?

I'm willing to wait for the new models if need be. I'll also buy one from last season if the ones I want are available.
post #13 of 18

Ya, any Bones online go FAST.

 

If you liked the Rossi 88s but not how they handled in the soft, then seriously consider the E98 instead.  I've skied all three....Mantra, Bones, and E98s.  Mantra best on hard pack but stiff in the bumps and a bit unwieldy, the Bones are definitely most versatile all-rounders but depends what type of terrain you're seeking.  I actually ended up buying the Rossi E98s because I got an absolute killer deal on them.  They're a bit more frontside-oriented, but at 98mm they're still wide enough to jump off the groom for the occasional venture off piste.  They won't rock it, but they're competent.  The 98s are a more compliant Mantra in my opinion.  I'm a charger, used to East Coast hardpack (ice) and slalom skis, so any 98mm ski seems rather leisurely to me, but the E98s rock.  You should be able to find the leftover E98 from this past season waaaay cheap right now.  Picked mine up, AND brand new bindings, for less than the price of new Bones.  Plus enough money left over to buy my kids new base layers from head to toe.  It's a slight compromise for off piste performance, but the tradeoff was killer value for me.

 

Depends on your bias, but if you're in the Mantra/Bones camp and generally like the E88s, then you should REALLY consider the Rossi E98.  For an all-round set of western trip skis, definitely go with 98mm over 88mm unless you plan on staying on the groomers the whole time.

 

My $0.02 worth......

post #14 of 18
Look for Starthaus' Nordica blemish sale, coming soon. Get an Enforcer or Hell and Back if you want a 98 wide. Or a Soul Rider. Unleashed Hell or Patron if you want a wider, mostly powder ski.
post #15 of 18

If your heart is set on the Bones  

 

Starthaus wants to help you get em

 

Talk to Phil

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/120946/special-savings-for-2014-bonafides-if-you-sign-up-now

 

For you Height/weight the Bones in 98 are the way to go.

post #16 of 18
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If your heart is set on the Bones  

Starthaus wants to help you get em

Talk to Phil

http://www.epicski.com/t/120946/special-savings-for-2014-bonafides-if-you-sign-up-now

For you Height/weight the Bones in 98 are the way to go.

Aren't they all 98? 😉 Do you mean 187??
Edited by mummer43 - 7/19/13 at 11:58am
post #17 of 18

98 width, and 187 sounds about right too

post #18 of 18
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Ya, any Bones online go FAST.

 

If you liked the Rossi 88s but not how they handled in the soft, then seriously consider the E98 instead.  I've skied all three....Mantra, Bones, and E98s.  Mantra best on hard pack but stiff in the bumps and a bit unwieldy, the Bones are definitely most versatile all-rounders but depends what type of terrain you're seeking.  I actually ended up buying the Rossi E98s because I got an absolute killer deal on them.  They're a bit more frontside-oriented, but at 98mm they're still wide enough to jump off the groom for the occasional venture off piste.  They won't rock it, but they're competent.  The 98s are a more compliant Mantra in my opinion.  I'm a charger, used to East Coast hardpack (ice) and slalom skis, so any 98mm ski seems rather leisurely to me, but the E98s rock.  You should be able to find the leftover E98 from this past season waaaay cheap right now.  Picked mine up, AND brand new bindings, for less than the price of new Bones.  Plus enough money left over to buy my kids new base layers from head to toe.  It's a slight compromise for off piste performance, but the tradeoff was killer value for me.

 

Depends on your bias, but if you're in the Mantra/Bones camp and generally like the E88s, then you should REALLY consider the Rossi E98.  For an all-round set of western trip skis, definitely go with 98mm over 88mm unless you plan on staying on the groomers the whole time.

 

My $0.02 worth......

 

+1 on the E98's.. I am also a Mid Atlantic skier and bought the E98's for the same reason, as a one ski quiver to take out west.  I now have 4 trips on them and they work great in all conditions.  I have found them to be nimble enough for bumps and trees and sufficient float for when you get lucky with a big dump.  On groomers they rip!  Very stable at any speed you dare. 

 

Mine are 180 but I am a little smaller than you at 5'9" and 190lbs.  The 187's would be a better choice for your size

 

Good Luck,

 

Rick G

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