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Another annoying pick a ski/binding thread (105mm-115mm waist)

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hey guys,

 

Brand new on here and already seen some posts similar to this so I'm sorry to make a new one.  I am a 6 ft guy weighing 207, advanced skier.  

Will be spending the entire next season at Niseko JP, and trying to get a good all mountain ski to go with the park skis I already have.  All mountain seems to mean narrower waists in the states than when you talk to guys from Japan.  

Having skied this year in JP, I skied mainly the Ski Logik Howitzers that I quite liked.

 

I guess what I am looking for is a recommendation of the perfect Niseko ski (that is one comfortable off Piste, but also capable of carving up the tighter and harder packed stuff when the gates are closed).  Most of my powder skiing has been done in Japan where there seems to be very few All Mountain skis, just fat ass powder spoons or carving skis.  Oh and preferably TT

 

As well as that, what sort of bindings do you think are the best value for the aforementioned type of ski (AT or Downhill)  Have looked at stuff like the:

  • Ski Logik Howitzer and Ullrs Chariot
  • Armada TST
  • 4FRNT Hoji, Cody
  • Sir Francis Bacon
  • Petitor
  • Volkl Gotama
  • Rosi Soul 7
  • Nordica Patron

 

Any glowing endorsements for a fatter/powder ski that can rip the groomers will be appreciated.  Thanks

post #2 of 16
I love my rosi s7's.

I put knee bindings on mine and it is clear from this forum that they are witout contraversy the undisputed best and safest binding. Seriously though I am happy with both my skis and the kneebindings.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by toddlasher View Post

I love my rosi s7's.

I put knee bindings on mine and it is clear from this forum that they are witout contraversy the undisputed best and safest binding. Seriously though I am happy with both my skis and the kneebindings.

 

"they are witout contraversy the undisputed best and safest binding"

 

witout contraversy the best example of "consider the source".

post #4 of 16

well, that's a bit of a conundrum: you want a powder ski for tearing up hard stuff when the gates close? If I were you and had the opportunity to ski blower like you will, I would have at least 2 pairs but one about 98ish and then a dedicated pow leftover ski.

 

the best resort versitile soft snow pow ski I have owned and skied extensively is the DPS 112 although you may prefer the DPS 112RPC. Still my favorite pow ski. versitile for every day use on soft snow, plenty of float for blower days; I have skied them in many 2 foot days. The 190 would be the length for you. 

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 

So you've like the knee bindings, no unwanted click outs or anything?  Really know nothing about them so just interested.  Was looking at Guardians recently.

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Yeah it is a bit of a pickle, I have some 85mm for purely packed days.  But in Japan when the gates close its usually due to high wind and there's still a fair bit of snow on the groomers/ off the sides of them, so something 110ish underfoot that isnt a complete pig on more packed stuff i guess is the go.  Thanks for the recommendation on the DPS

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by ocarpo View Post

So you've like the knee bindings, no unwanted click outs or anything?  Really know nothing about them so just interested.  Was looking at Guardians recently.

No unwanted releases. One actual release that was quite needed. Obviously I dont know if that would have released with another binding. They ski well.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by toddlasher View Post

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Originally Posted by ocarpo View Post

So you've like the knee bindings, no unwanted click outs or anything?  Really know nothing about them so just interested.  Was looking at Guardians recently.

No unwanted releases. One actual release that was quite needed. Obviously I dont know if that would have released with another binding. They ski well.
my reply to you got latched on to the quote above and I cant fix it on my smart phone.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by ocarpo View Post

Yeah it is a bit of a pickle, I have some 85mm for purely packed days.  But in Japan when the gates close its usually due to high wind and there's still a fair bit of snow on the groomers/ off the sides of them, so something 110ish underfoot that isnt a complete pig on more packed stuff i guess is the go.  Thanks for the recommendation on the DPS

I haven't skied Japan, but I do ski in the PNW so I see a fair amount of snow in a good season.

 

Seems like those days where there is enough snow inside the gates that you wouldn't enjoy your 85s you should just bring out your powder sticks.  Something like a Bent Chetler (my personal choice), Rocker2 122, Petitor, Opus, would be super fun in 6-8" of soft powder, just about the point where your 85s could be less than you are looking for. And the 85s will be just fine in up to that depth.  So that becomes the overlap point, where you take into consideration other factors (where you are going to ski, what the base under the snow is like, the vibe of the day, the crew, etc. . ..) 

 

And speaking at least for the Chetlers, I've found them way better than expected as the mountain gets skied off.  I wouldn't necessarily start the day on them in less than 6" (unless there has been steady accumulation that hasn't been skied off), but they are actually really fun in mixed terrain (bumps, tight trees, terrain features, etc. . . and serviceable - not epic - on soft groomers back to the chair).  Soft bumps are actually a blast if you look at the bumps as terrain features - airplane turns, off the bumps into the piles of soft snow in the troughs (no PMT style zipper lines on fatties, but that is a fine compromise).  But you don't need 2 feet of blower to make a ski like that fun - as long as you know how to ride it and accept that your day won't be about carving PSIA-approved trenches on groomers, they are still a hoot. But not a OSQ by any means - you've got to pair something like that with a more versatile, narrower, more moderate shaped ski to really cover most anything you'll encounter in a season.

 

If I were spending a season in Niseko, I'd add a real powder ski of choice the quiver to pair with your 85 and just make one or the other work on those in-between days.  Optimize for the best the mountain has to offer.  Compromise in the middle - the 85 and the powder ski will migrate toward each other enough to make it work.  And skiing is fun, even if the set up is less than perfect.

 

The more I think about it, and read the thread about the quiver set up, I think that is really less about "what ski for what condition" than "what ski for what kind of day."  For most freeskiers at western mountains (primarily skiing off piste in the best terrain the mountain has to offer), I think that it usually comes down to the ski you choose for a powder day and the ski that you choose for every other day.  Lots of debate about what that daily driver should be, and that is pure preference, and size of the driver is also a factor, but your 85s are in the zone for covering that slot.  Heck, some would choose a mid-70s carver to cover all conditions up to the dedicated powder boards - and that's cool if that's what "floats" your boat.  beercheer.gif

 

In my experience, notwithstanding preferences, those two skis probably overlap somewhere around 6-12" depending on preference, set up and conditions. 

 

After you have your powder ski and daily driver covered, then there are other specialty skis, depending on what you are into and where you ski (a carving ski for full-on groomer day; full blown race skis; a park ski; a big mountain charger ski (that may be somewhat redundant with the daily driver but optimized for crushing it at places like Jackson, Whistler, Snowbird/Alta, where you have space to open it up).  And it goes on and on.

 

But at the end of the day, out west or somewhere you see a lot of snow, I think anyone can make it work on one - and for sure on two (powder ski, everything else).  Skis are fun and more is better, but if you can only bring 2, leave a hole in the 3 ski quiver depending on personal preference and don't look back.  Some of us choose to leave that hole in the narrowest slot, some in the middle and some at the widest slot. 

 

In your case, for a season in Niseko, I'd cover the widest slot perfectly and make the rest work - the shops there stock what they do for a reason.  Sacrifice the 95-110 slot and make sure you are covered for the days that you'll remember for the rest of your life. 

 

Have fun.  I am jealous.  biggrin.gif

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

 

"they are witout contraversy the undisputed best and safest binding"

 

witout contraversy the best example of "consider the source".

If you don't have anything relevant to add to the discussion, they don't... nonono2.gif

 

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I have the 184 SFB's mounted with griffons and would highly recommend them to anyone with a soft snow bias. Obviously they are not an ice or super hard snow ski, but for any other conditions I find them super versatile and fun to ski. The only factor that I would hesitate with here is that you weigh about 50lbs more than I do, so they may be a bit soft for you. The Opus is a little wider and stiffer and but has the same basic properties. I like the griffons a lot so far, have had a few releases and all were justified, no pre releases. The only other bindings I would have considered were the Rossi FKS or Axial 120's.

 

Ski Logik makes some sweet skis, if you liked the Howitzers why don't you pull the trigger on those?


Edited by east or bust - 2/21/13 at 9:52am
post #11 of 16

LewyM, excellent post on Japan 2 ski quiver.  Dare I say it, "common sense".

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Ski Logik makes some sweet skis, if you liked the Howitzers why don't you pull the trigger on those?

I am pretty tempted, just wanted to gather some other opinions

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by ocarpo View Post

Any glowing endorsements for a fatter/powder ski that can rip the groomers will be appreciated.  Thanks

I use my K2 Hardsides for most days on the hill. They keep me up on top in most conditions and are fine for groomer days with the family, too. I would at least try them out. Or Coomba/SideStash type skis. No more Volkl's for me... oh, just saw the 105-115mm waist, disregard my post...

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by str8d0wn View Post

I use my K2 Hardsides for most days on the hill. They keep me up on top in most conditions and are fine for groomer days with the family, too. I would at least try them out. Or Coomba/SideStash type skis. No more Volkl's for me... oh, just saw the 105-115mm waist, disregard my post...

Nah all posts and advice very welcome.  My father actually skis Hardsides, takes them wherever he goes and if its super pow he hires something fatter for a few days, he does love those skis on hardpack, crud and even bumps

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by east or bust View Post

If you don't have anything relevant to add to the discussion, they don't... nonono2.gif


I have the 184 SFB's mounted with griffons and would highly recommend them to anyone with a soft snow bias. Obviously they are not an ice or super hard snow ski, but for any other conditions I find them super versatile and fun to ski. The only factor that I would hesitate with here is that you weigh about 50lbs more than I do, so they may be a bit soft for you. The Opus is a little wider and stiffer and but has the same basic properties. I like the griffons a lot so far, have had a few releases and all were justified, no pre releases. The only other bindings I would have considered were the Rossi FKS or Axial 120's.

Ski Logik makes some sweet skis, if you liked the Howitzers why don't you pull the trigger on those?

Just trying to point out that knee bindings are 16 (or more) pages of controversy.

Seemed fairly clear- apparently not (Gawd)
post #16 of 16

Take a look at the Volkl Shiro! It's light weight, floats through pow, is fun in bumps and crud, and their subtle rocker means they CAN "carve PSIA trenches on the groomers" (very well and easily, I might add). They've become my go-to ski even though I have an entirely huge quiver to choose from. <3  I went with the Griffon on mine.

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