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post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

I think three weeks is heavy handed.

 

But it makes me wonder...  how was he dressed?  Did he look  like an anarchist?  or a snow boarder?  There must be more to the story.

There is a difference? :)

post #62 of 89
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

Having the right of way is fine but they actually spoke.  I pass a boarder on his blind side, no rule states this.  Just be ware, he can't see you.

 

 It's not a rule, it's just being smart (because he can't see you). Or, go ahead and pass directly behind him and if you collide then don't cry about it.

post #63 of 89
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Originally Posted by shoal007 View Post

Has this guy ran into anyone?  Not from whast I can tell, has he killed or injured anyone? No. Skiing is a sport of inherent risks, and in this case jumping in a no jump zone is certainly worth a warning and/or short suspension, but 3 weeks.

So I guess according to that logic, it's OK to be drunk driving as long as you've never killed anyone??
post #64 of 89
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

I think three weeks is heavy handed.

But it makes me wonder...  how was he dressed?  Did he look  like an anarchist?  or a snow boarder?  There must be more to the story.

Such is life right? Inevitably, you have to deal with humans, not just logic based machines. If you can master human interactions then yes you can get away with different things than what an average person gets. If you swing the other way and make yourself a target and burn bridges then yes you get the short end of the stick.
post #65 of 89
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Originally Posted by str8d0wn View Post

 

I was coming up next to a snow boarder from behind ( he was next to me on the trail) and I told him I was on his left and he told me he had the right of way as the downhill person. Trail narrowed and we were merging together. He could not see me as he was facing the woods. While he thought he was in the right, if we had tangled, it doesn't matter. Don't be a dum-ess. Boarder or skier, if someone gives you the courtesy of a warning, take heed. 

 

I don't get this mentality. I had some idiot yell out a warning at me on a crowded, WROD-type day; I didn't hear it and he proceeded to try to pass, running right into me. It was low speed and not a huge deal, but then this a$$H%%% gets up and starts yelling at me because he warned me and I should have magically gotten out of his way. I came right back at him with a few choice nicknames, and luckily for both of us, he shut up and walked away. 

 

Your situation is clearly different in that the boarder heard you, but still, the person in front has the right of way. You should go ahead and wait for a place where you can pass him without tapping him on the shoulder. He does have the right of way; he was in the right; he doesn't have to get out of the way; and you're the one that should change your behavior. 

post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by str8d0wn View Post

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I was coming up next to a snow boarder from behind ( he was next to me on the trail) and I told him I was on his left and he told me he had the right of way as the downhill person. Trail narrowed and we were merging together. He could not see me as he was facing the woods. While he thought he was in the right, if we had tangled, it doesn't matter. Don't be a dum-ess. Boarder or skier, if someone gives you the courtesy of a warning, take heed. 

 

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Courtesy of a warning?  Why should i need to be warned about a skier./rider uphil of me who can see me?

 

I do agree on the tangled up part - it doesnt matter at the point of entagnglement.

 

But not a fan of "on your left / on your right"

 

I *hear* it as "I warned you, so you need to make room for me"

post #67 of 89

If I hear 'on your left', I assume someone wants to pass on my left and is doing the safe thing by making me aware.  I don't take it as a request for me to move or that the passer is overruling my status as the downhill skier to be avoided.  Of course this is really only appropriate on a cat track where everyone is basically straightlining...I can't see the value in an alert to pass someone that close on terrain where the downhill skier may not have full control.

post #68 of 89
The "other side of the story": Patrol guy riding the lift with me during the craziness in Breck surrounding the Dew Tour says he's stopped more than a dozen folks for speed/dangerous maneuvering around others. He considered most them equally severe infractions of safety. He pulled three passes. The difference was attitude.

Breck offers a safe riding course for offenders that can shorten time-outs.

Half my classes spend time going over that lip on Cashier and they mostly last well past 3 p.m. You cannot see anyone who's on the downside until you're right at the edge. I've seen several slow sliders get taken out by jumpers over the years. That's why the NO JUMPING signs are there. You want to jump, Breck has some fantastic jumps. They're in the parks. Funny thing about that. Park users understand the etiquette of safety in the parks, but they fail to observe any of that outside the parks.
post #69 of 89
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

I think three weeks is heavy handed.

 

But it makes me wonder...  how was he dressed?  Did he look  like an anarchist?  or a snow boarder?  There must be more to the story.

If it gets his attention then it worked, heavy handed or not. 

 

Oh, I'm sure there is more to the story, my guess is that he failed the "attitude" part of the discussion with the patroller. 

post #70 of 89
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

 

Actually he was in the right since he was downhill of you.  

 

Also, don't pass a boarder directly behind him on his blind side.

Actually, I was downslope of him so if that were the case... I believe the rules of skiing use the verbiage "overtake". Which is what I as doing. Like I said, I was being courteous and trying to avoid any collision. There was more than enough room for all of us but from experience sometimes snowboarders will try to shuff off some speed and I wanted him to know I was there. You are correct, he was right in his statement, I do not dispute that. We were about 15 feet apart, I was not close to him. I can slow down in a straight line and so can snowboarders. Do we always do that, no? Does a boarder have a blind spot, yes, the back of their head. When you are boarding you usually do not have your head 90 degrees to the fall line, especially when you are at the bottom of the run when you are relaxing. Just trying to be courteous to my fellow boarding brothers out there, I would hope they would do the same for me in a similar instance. 

post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

I don't get this mentality. I had some idiot yell out a warning at me on a crowded, WROD-type day; I didn't hear it and he proceeded to try to pass, running right into me. It was low speed and not a huge deal, but then this a$$H%%% gets up and starts yelling at me because he warned me and I should have magically gotten out of his way. I came right back at him with a few choice nicknames, and luckily for both of us, he shut up and walked away. 

 

Your situation is clearly different in that the boarder heard you, but still, the person in front has the right of way. You should go ahead and wait for a place where you can pass him without tapping him on the shoulder. He does have the right of way; he was in the right; he doesn't have to get out of the way; and you're the one that should change your behavior. 

It is not a mentality, don't get your panties in a wad, I was being courteous.  There was enough room... I didn't get close to him. Just thought it was a weird experience enough that it stuck in my head... Pretty sure most folks are out there to have fun, if someone is trying to do the right thing, work with them. In your instance though, you had every right to be pissed. 

post #72 of 89

I personally still think it's absurd that resorts suspend passes like they were a free privilege. After paying so much for a season pass, I do feel its ridiculous for a resort to suspend my pass and not refund me for the days I can't use it. Even if it only adds up to the price of a coke... I would be fine with it if they were just trying to say you are a "irresponsible self absorb asshole" and we do not like people who act like this on the mountain, so we are going to just partially refund you the days you miss out because we simply don't like doing business with people of that attitude.

 

Unfortunately, the way most resort handles these situations aren't like that. Instead of giving off the vibe that they want a safer mountain, it rubs off more like they are trying to nickle and dime you. I'm not against suspension of passes, but the MTNs should also know they aren't governments policing a nation. Customer Service in the end should have the guy who is paying feeling like his money was well spent.

 

As for passing a snowboard on their blindside and not calling it out is not very wise, I always call out even if I am on a snowboard myself. You simply don't know what is coming up behind you on a board. If the person takes it as an insult....then I usually just go o.O and continue on with my day.

post #73 of 89
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Originally Posted by swisstrader View Post

So I guess according to that logic, it's OK to be drunk driving as long as you've never killed anyone??

 

Swissie, I'm on your side on this one, and ya beat me to it!

 

Get this; a few days ago I was rushing to get to the hill, since it was a powder day.  The road was dry and straight, so I was doing about 80.  Anyhoo, there is an active school zone there, but since I didn't see any young'uns around, I just blew through it.  Yet WTH, I was arrested for Reckless Driving (80 in a 20...really???) and had my license suspended for a year!!!

 

It's complete B.S.!!!  I didn't kill anybody, I didn't hurt anybody, and I wasn't even close to doing so!  The closest kids were 100 yards away on a swing-set behind a chain-link fence.  I doubt they even noticed me fly by, so I didn't even scare anybody, but that fascist cop just had be "all that" and show everyone who's boss.  I didn't harm or even bother a soul!  

So, I get the outrage over this.

post #74 of 89
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

 

Swissie, I'm on your side on this one, and ya beat me to it!

 

Get this; a few days ago I was rushing to get to the hill, since it was a powder day.  The road was dry and straight, so I was doing about 80.  Anyhoo, there is an active school zone there, but since I didn't see any young'uns around, I just blew through it.  Yet WTH, I was arrested for Reckless Driving (80 in a 20...really???) and had my license suspended for a year!!!

 

It's complete B.S.!!!  I didn't kill anybody, I didn't hurt anybody, and I wasn't even close to doing so!  The closest kids were 100 yards away on a swing-set behind a chain-link fence.  I doubt they even noticed me fly by, so I didn't even scare anybody, but that fascist cop just had be "all that" and show everyone who's boss.  I didn't harm or even bother a soul!  

So, I get the outrage over this.


What if there was a kid there and you didn't see him? That's why there's a speed limit of 20, because there is still a chance for human error.  Still a year suspension is rough...

post #75 of 89
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Originally Posted by huhh View Post

What if there was a kid there and you didn't see him? That's why there's a speed limit of 20, because there is still a chance for human error.  Still a year suspension is rough...

 

Meh, that was just some facetious sarcasm to make a point.

post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

 

Meh, that was just some facetious sarcasm to make a point.

 

Seriously???

 

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I thought you meant every word.  I was actually wondering how much the fine would be for that 80 in a 20 school zone?

post #77 of 89
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

Seriously???

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I thought you meant every word.  

 

I could be mistaken (GASP), but it struck me that a previous poster may have taken my tale seriously, so I clarified.

A pox upon me for omitting the "winky-face" emoticon at the end of it, though!

post #78 of 89
Re stopping-best tostop below others in your group so you dont ski into them or sluff them out except when skiing with a guide. Dont ski past unless they tell you to
post #79 of 89
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

Swissie, I'm on your side on this one, and ya beat me to it!

Get this; a few days ago I was rushing to get to the hill, since it was a powder day.  The road was dry and straight, so I was doing about 80.  Anyhoo, there is an active school zone there, but since I didn't see any young'uns around, I just blew through it.  Yet WTH, I was arrested for Reckless Driving (80 in a 20...really???) and had my license suspended for a year!!!

It's complete B.S.!!!  I didn't kill anybody, I didn't hurt anybody, and I wasn't even close to doing so!  The closest kids were 100 yards away on a swing-set behind a chain-link fence.  I doubt they even noticed me fly by, so I didn't even scare anybody, but that fascist cop just had be "all that" and show everyone who's boss.  I didn't harm or even bother a soul!  
So, I get the outrage over this.
I love this post, I was trying to read it aloud to hubby and collapsed in laughter with tears in my eyes, great comparison.

As a beginner I am slow and don't have a lot of manuverability. I watch carefully to make sure I don't get in someone's line, but I have to say skiing green runs in whistle I am shocked by the speed of some of the skiers even on runs like the lower Olympic. I fell the other day in the middle of a steep bumpy face of a blue I got on by accident and was terrified I'd wind up road kill. There will always be folks starting out on the hill, and those safety rules protect us and you more experienced folks. It's like driving into a deer on the highway, it doesn't just hurt the deer, the cars gonna get hurt too.
post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by Ske-Bum View Post

 

Oh, I'm sure there is more to the story, my guess is that he failed the "attitude" part of the discussion with the patroller. 


 Bingo!!!!!!!

 

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Originally Posted by 2clue View Post

I personally still think it's absurd that resorts suspend passes like they were a free privilege. After paying so much for a season pass, I do feel its ridiculous for a resort to suspend my pass and not refund me for the days I can't use it. Even if it only adds up to the price of a coke... I would be fine with it if they were just trying to say you are a "irresponsible self absorb asshole" and we do not like people who act like this on the mountain, so we are going to just partially refund you the days you miss out because we simply don't like doing business with people of that attitude.

 

So because you cannot play by the rules and are asked to take a time out you should be reimbursed for days you "might" have skied?

 

 

Well then, "you are a irresponsible self absorbed asshole"

post #81 of 89

It is our constitutional right to ski, get drunk, burp, curse and pass gas in public in any fashion or place we so desire. I just don't recall which amendment that details these rights but as soon as I sober up I will look it up and get back with you guys but I gotta go make a few runs right now.

Ciao 

post #82 of 89

Amendments aren't supposed to list what people CAN do, they are meant to explicitly state things the government CAN'T do.  From the preamble of the first 10:

 

 

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THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added

 

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

post #83 of 89
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Originally Posted by jameson71 View Post

Amendments aren't supposed to list what people CAN do, they are meant to explicitly state things the government CAN'T do.  From the preamble of the first 10:

 

 

 

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

You are kidding and I thought I had been right all these years. Oh well, no more drunk ,naked skiing for me. From now on I'll put on some tasteful underwear. 

post #84 of 89
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Originally Posted by kiki View Post


I love this post, I was trying to read it aloud to hubby and collapsed in laughter with tears in my eyes, great comparison.

As a beginner I am slow and don't have a lot of manuverability. I watch carefully to make sure I don't get in someone's line, but I have to say skiing green runs in whistle I am shocked by the speed of some of the skiers even on runs like the lower Olympic. I fell the other day in the middle of a steep bumpy face of a blue I got on by accident and was terrified I'd wind up road kill. There will always be folks starting out on the hill, and those safety rules protect us and you more experienced folks. It's like driving into a deer on the highway, it doesn't just hurt the deer, the cars gonna get hurt too.

 

Hi Kiki, 

 

I can understand how you feel. Lower Olympic might be one of the worst, high-traffic runs on the mountain, particularly in the afternoon. If I have to choose between skiing lower olympic or taking a gondola down, the gondola will win every time. I would avoid it whenever possible. The only other runs on Whistler that's comparably busy is upper olympic. I absolutely loathe both these runs and consider them to be the most dangerous runs on the mountain. 

 

People are going to ski fast on something like lower olympic since it's a skiout to get home. And although people are supposed to give you a safe margin for turning, I remember being a new skier and feeling like some people were "buzzing" me too (skiing too close for comfort). My suggestions for skiing these runs:

 

Look uphill before starting, but thereafter focus on downhill - you're more liable to scare yourself if you look uphill. (The exception is if you're about to break out into really wide turns.)

Work on shortening your turn radius. If you zigzag across the trail, you're much more liable to get run into. If you can stay in a consistent corridor, more folks will find a path farther away from you. 

Work on getting comfortable with a bit of speed. 

 

Whistler's actually an awful mountain for green terrain... north shore mountains are a great training ground for building confidence. 

post #85 of 89
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Originally Posted by bunion View Post


 Bingo!!!!!!!

 

So because you cannot play by the rules and are asked to take a time out you should be reimbursed for days you "might" have skied?

 

 

Well then, "you are a irresponsible self absorbed asshole"


asked? They aren't "asking", asking would imply an option. If they asked and I obliged, then I should not be expecting a refund. I had willingly consented to their terms.

 

You must look at the course of action the resorts take, its similar to what the Government would do with your license. They are not asking, they are simply Suspending your Pass the very same way the Government would suspend your Driver License. However the resorts also wouldn't mind making an extra buck off of you if you wanted to ski...you could always just fork up the extra money and buy a day pass. Unlike getting your License suspended, you cannot fork up 100 bucks and purchase a day license when you have a suspended license.

In this case, I'd say I am just a "consumer" to private businesses that are out to make a profit. 

 

I am not against this whole concept of pass suspension, I am just not very fond of the way it is carried out. If you are to suspend a pass, you should suspend the person right to ski on the private property that the pass allows access to. Another point, when was the last time you were required to read the rules to a mountain before purchasing a pass and taking a test? They don't give a damn about the rules when they are selling you the pass, the least they can do is reimburse you when you break a rule of which you were not aware that the consequences would lead to pass suspension. If you still jumped after seeing a sign that says "don't jump or else you'll lose your pass", well then you knew everything before performing the act.

post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by 2clue View Post

...Another point, when was the last time you were required to read the rules to a mountain before purchasing a pass and taking a test? They don't give a damn about the rules when they are selling you the pass, the least they can do is reimburse you when you break a rule of which you were not aware that the consequences would lead to pass suspension...

In charity, I'll just say that this post makes me really glad that my home hill is so small that you'll probably never go there.

post #87 of 89

Skied Breck today.  There is a sign near the Rocky Mountain quad at Peak 8 posting "safety violations", i.e. incidents that resulted in loss of ticket or pass.  Last week there were 64 and 2000+ so far this season.  Looks like the Breck patrol is not putting up with any BS.  And I suspect the OP is not going to have much luck in negotiating a reduction in the 3 week suspension.

post #88 of 89
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Originally Posted by 2clue View Post

 

I am not against this whole concept of pass suspension, I am just not very fond of the way it is carried out. If you are to suspend a pass, you should suspend the person right to ski on the private property that the pass allows access to.

 

 

 

Another point, when was the last time you were required to read the rules to a mountain before purchasing a pass and taking a test? They don't give a damn about the rules when they are selling you the pass, the least they can do is reimburse you when you break a rule of which you were not aware that the consequences would lead to pass suspension. If you still jumped after seeing a sign that says "don't jump or else you'll lose your pass", well then you knew everything before performing the act.

 


Can't speak for Breck but if you have your pass suspended at the area I work, you are not welcome to return until your pass has been returned. If you choose to buy a day pass and are seen, you will be asked to leave. However we are on Private Property and not USFS land.

 

The rest of the blather you post is ridiculous but to indulge you, look around the ticket window of the next ski area you frequent, I would be willing to bet the State Inherent Risk Statute as well as the Skier Responsibility code is prominently displayed.

 

What more do you require?smile.gif

post #89 of 89

The Redbull truck got his pass pulled at Breck the other day I heard.  Jumping and speeding.

 

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