Originally Posted by oldgoat
What's a no jumping zone?
Pulling a pass for speeding or jumping, especially for 3 weeks, seems ridiculous. Unless you're a repeat offender a warning seems appropriate, maybe a rest of day suspension the next time. Glad I don't ski there.
Breck, like many large destination ski areas, has lots of blue groomers filled with kids and tourists who don't ski as well as they think they do. Because of this, I suspect those areas see more than their share of accidents. Bad for those involved, bad for the ski area. So the ski area starts to clamp down to reduce the accident rate and enforce some discipline on those who are legends in their own minds. The "slow" zones include speed limits, no jumping, no switch, etc. Regard these places as a good place to practice your pivot slips, your slow round short turns, your balance drills, whatever. If you can't do some of these things, there's a hint.
Originally Posted by JaySuds
I will just voice my frustration with Breck. In the past 2 years they have heavily enforced and expanded slow zones, no jump zones and such to such an extreme level that significant portions of all groomed runs now have armies of men in bright yellow jackets who want to pull you over. Moreover, there are no objective limits in place. The whole system is based on subjective observations.
I've been skiing for 25+ years, I know my limits. I know how to scale my speed based on snow, light, traffic, level of fatigue and so on. I don't drink and ski. I don't ski with music, ear buds or anything else that would reduce my ability to see, hear and react to people and objects around me. If conditions allow, I like to ski as fast as I can and hit rollers and catch air. Skiing at Breck is frustrating as hell because I am always concerned about getting 'pulled over' and having to deal with my pass getting suspended. Consequently, I ski slower and more cautiously than is required. Thankfully, I have never received anything more than a cursory "slow it down" motion.
Maybe Breck is overreacting. Maybe not. We don't really know. We do know that many people take groomers as an invitation to cruise well beyond their ability to stop or change direction, although they think they're fine because the snow is smooth and they can stay upright.
If all the groomers at Breck are overpopulated with both guests and enforcement, ski somewhere else. Colorado has lots of choices. When on those groomer runs at Breck, if you must ski them, exaggerate your level of control, just to show it off to those subjective enforcers. As suggested above, ski slow, round, highly edged and completely finished turns. Keep them within a corridor no more than 2 groomer widths wide (one groomer width is better), with no Z-shaped turns and minimal skidding. Show them some perfect pivot slips. Now your corridor is 1.5 ski lengths. Or less.
Any monkey can cruise,and the enforcers know it. Take their presence as an opportunity to demonstrate some real skill. Groomers are there not to provide some kind of speedway, but because most of the guests can't ski anything else.
Originally Posted by beyond
Will second rx2ski's comment. No jump zones, like slow skiing zones, tend to be in areas where there are lots of beginners, lots of kids, topography that can create blind or obstructed visuals between someone above and someone below. Plenty of places on mountains to get your testosterone rush, these areas are not among them. OP could have done his air off the top of the Lake Chutes, if he's all that...
And given that this guy joined Epic to complain, perhaps worth holding off on the assumptions about resorts restricting our God Given Freedoms...
If there's too much restriction of your God Given Freedoms on the cruisers and you're so hot, then ski somewhere else.
Originally Posted by jrbd
It sounds like the first encounter was totally your fault also, and you haven't owned up to it. I doubt if you were just "leaving the mountain". What else did you do? I suspect that you know, but aren't being honest about it.
It's only three weeks. I'll second the advice to go buy a ticket somewhere else. Try Loveland, you may swear off the big places forever (that's basically what I've done the past few years; I don't know if I'll ever go back to Breckenridge again).
Yes, we suspect there is more here than is being admitted. Maybe Breck is overzealous, but we're not getting an objective view on these incidents.
And if you're actually good, you can get lots of air on a bump run.
Old quote: "It's not that you can't ski the bumps (or crud or trees or ...), it's that you can't ski and the bumps show it."