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post #31 of 68
Originally posted by john11:
Anyone skied the Vertigo Motion? How did it compare to the G3?
John J, I demo'd the G3, the Vertigo Motion, and the Stockli Stormrider in December 2001. I found the G3 and Motion quite similar, although I truly could feel the extra underfoot flex in the Motion system. The ski makes a much rounder turn with that added underfoot flex. Still an easy ski at approx PSIA Level 8 or higher, but grips hard snow well and busts crud well.

also, I agree with what Geoff Prescott said about the Footloose Sports review - I tried the G30 in 1999 when I was a rusty Level 7 and it worked me hard. With my improved technique and ability to sense a ski's preference for where to ride it, I find the G3 more responsive and easier to ski.

I would NOT recommend the G3 to anyone who isn't at least a very proficient and aggressive Level 7.9 or so (no real 7.9 level exists, but I mean someone who's just about an 8).

[ April 28, 2002, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: gonzostrike ]
post #32 of 68
Thread Starter 
When I started this string back on April 18, I was feeling apprehensive about my new G3's. It just felt too stiff and fast for me, a humble intermediate. Today I'm happy to report some encouraging progress. I took my G3's up to Mount Baker in Washington State for the last weekend of the season. Perfect spring conditions - clear blue skies, sunshine, soft snow. I started out with a few tentative turns off the chairlift, trying to take it easy at first, but something clicked and I suddenly felt confident. The G3's performed like a completely different ski in the slushy stuff. The wide open blue runs on Baker were an invitation to open 'er up and let the G3 fly, and boy can it fly! This ski is waaay faster than my skill level allows, and I was pulling on the reins quite a bit, but I didn't feel as intimidated as before. I was making long turns, short turns, and cranked over carves all the way down the mountain. It was a real eye opener. The G3 slices through slush like crazy. It still feels like too much ski for me (I want to try the next one down in Volkl's line - the G2 - for comparison) but when things go right it is a very sweet ride. Previous advice to stay centered/forward over the ski really helped.
post #33 of 68

Now there is a meaning ful review!!


How about the storm riders?????????

post #34 of 68
Originally posted by HaveSkisWillClimb:
Aux and others are right on.. Earlier in the season I skied em' ...started out for one afternoon,
but that quickly ended up as three days straight! A lively ski with Volkl edge_hold and (for
NewEngland.....great float) but....
..But, simply too much racing *memory* in its
design for my enjoyment in deeper/heavier snow.
I mean, in hard-snow conditions..my V3s with their 65mm waist provide a lot of fun for me.
In deeper snow...with the trees being a definite
stomping_ground, speed comes in LAST on my list
of *things to enjoy*....

My $.02 of Live_&_Learn...
post #35 of 68
Thread Starter 
So you've got the V3 for skiing the groomed, but you say the G3 is too racy/fast for full enjoyment of deep snow and trees. So what are you using for the deeps/trees? The V3 seems too narrow in the waist for deep snow.
post #36 of 68
[quote]Originally posted by gonzostrike:
Originally posted by john11:
I would NOT recommend the G3 to anyone who isn't at least a very proficient and aggressive Level 7.9 or so (no real 7.9 level exists, but I mean someone who's just about an 8).
Where can I find descriptions of the different levels of skiing ability?

Edit: Found it online!

[ April 29, 2002, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: john11 ]
post #37 of 68
Rossignol Bandit XX. Versatile. Easy. Quick. Good in deep and good on groomed. Works great for true intermediate to true expert. Seriously.
post #38 of 68
Originally posted by CalG:

Now there is a meaning ful review!!


How about the storm riders?????????


search the archives for gear reviews, the post would have been in mid-December 2001. I gave my rundown there of all 3 skis, the G3, the Vertigo Motion, and the Stormrider.
post #39 of 68
Hi Geoff,
You in BC and me in NewEngland are on different planets...for sure..this last Winter.
My V3s, being the softer shoveled Volkls, faired
quite well in the 6"-12" stuff we HAD.., it
simply required a little of the older school vertical action...which did my skiing (& quads & glutes) no harm. The G3s were certainly nice on the rough, half-frozen blocks...before you would *hit* the soft stuff...but these kind of Springtime conditions are handled just as well with the 65mm waisted V3s. I've been up in Maine, Mass, and NH all season...just didn't have the spending $$$ for Vermont (as I think VT got most of the fresh stuff) this year. I simply think I need those multiple ski days to pit one midfat/fatty against another, namely the
Atomics, Volant T3 Power...etc. Guess it's gonna
take till the first week or two of next season, or maybe when I either ski Mt.Hood or So.America
(which look reallll good this year!.. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )
post #40 of 68
I skied the G3 and Motion back to back at Big Sky. Conditions were spring freeze-thaw. Frankly, I detected very little difference between the two. My major complaint about both is that the tips definetly make a distinctive noise that at first was somewhat annoying. I was unable to demo the Bandit XX (sold out, and Oboe's point is well taken). I ended up buying the G3 in 177cm with piston Ti 1200 Markers. I am 185 lbs and 5'10" and ski east/west equally. I opted for the stiffness under foot to deal with Vermont's blue packed powder. Coming from 193 Volant Super Karves (circa 1997) I was amazed at how stable the G3 was even doing warp speed GS turns. I also found it very nimble in bumps and steeps. However,it will quickly punish you if you end up in the back seat. A great ski IMHO.
post #41 of 68
Geoff: Another ski you may want to try is the Volkl "Carver Motion", probably in 177. I demoed and bought it at Loveland CO; also demoed the G3 (177) same day. Wanted to demo the Vertigo Motion (177) but not available. Conditions were mostly soft spring snow with some refrozen crud.

I'm 5'8"", 140#, age 55, advanced but no expert. Have been skiing on Rossi Bandit X (184), 1998-99 model, which I still like though not for hard snow.

The G3 was too much ski for me: stiff, kept me in back seat, and (as others have noted) makes an annoying creaking noise from the forebody.

I fell in love with the Carver Motion (177). It's very shaped (107, 65, ??); turns very quickly; mega rebound; crosses under automatically; big sweet spot (at least I was lucky to find it readily). Very quick in bumps. Gripped well on what little hard stuff there was. (I later saw that Ski or Skiing mag reviews rated this ski high for hard snow grip.) Stable at the highest speed I tried (not very fast), and seemed likely to remain stable faster. Probably better on-piste than off, but did well in the manky stuff if I tipped it enough to engage the edge. With its quickness, could be fun in trees. Downsides: creaks a bit, though less than the G3; integrated binding can't take underbinding cants, which I normally use for alignment adjustment.

Despite qualms about not having tried enough different skis in different conditions, I bought the lightly used pair of Carver Motions the same day for about $450 U.S, roughly 50% of retail list price for new skis. My past experience is that if I love a pair of skis in demoing, then go on to try a bunch of other skis, I still wind up going back to buy the ones I loved. So I figured I might as well get these while available for a good price.
post #42 of 68
Volkl will be coming out with a 2002-03 model called the Supersport. It was explained to me by a Volkl rep as a "race ski construction with an all-mountain cut". Not sure how the cut is different than the G3, I remember them looking fairly similar. I got to demo the SS back in February on fairly hardpack/spring conditions, warm spring 60 degree temps with winter sun angle. The longest the SS will be made in is 184cm (182 maybe) and all they had was a 168. I had never been on a ski that short, and I mean never. Learned when I was 17 & started on a 170. Anyway, I was very impressed! These things were rock solid at speed on the slick groomeres and cause it was so short, bangin' quick turns when needed was easy. I will consider buying a pair of these!
post #43 of 68
New to this entire chat deal, but I've been searching everywhere for someone who has skied on Atomic 922s and the Vertigo Motions who can give me a comparison. 922s seem the ultimate to me -- but I don't want to miss the boat on the Volkl or this new Supersport if they're an improvement (Motion system, or the slightly narrower waist and tip, and much narrower tail -- 96 vs 922's 102). Any reply appreciated. Thanks...

[ May 15, 2002, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Cornicebowl ]
post #44 of 68
well Geoff...and another gem from HSWC about Volkl's G3....BwaaaHaa (The last I promise!)
After having skied Tucks a half dozen times this
May...they are the ONLY skis I've used..and since doing Tucks, my level of skiing has jumped a great deal since I first skied them, sooo who
knows what else I'd probably love [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #45 of 68
Thread Starter 
What are Tucks? Please elaborate.
I sold my G3's at a good price, then I took a ride on the Pocket Rocket-Wow! Now I'm looking to pick up a pair for next season, only about 6.5 months to go...
post #46 of 68
Geoff, I believe that he is referring to Tuckermans Ravine on Mt. Washington in New Hampshire - high, steep, and no lift. You hike up for a chance to risk your life. This is a spring skiing ritual in the east - doing the headwall at Tucks. They recently had an avalanche there, for gawdsakes!!! in the EAST!!! So that may help to explain what the guy is talking about. The only other "Tucks" I've heard of are little damp things that you buy at the drugstore and use on the distal portion of the human anatomy.
post #47 of 68
Thread Starter 
Okay, now I get it! Thanks for saving me from the humiliation of dropping into my local ski shop and saying "Hey, I heard about these awesome skis called Tucks. Do you dudes carry 'em? Can I demo a pair?" But that's okay, I've been laughed at before. Anyway, I sold the G3's, and so ends another chapter in my skiing career. But when one door closes another opens, right? The door that opened this time is marked "Pocket Rocket" in bright neon blue letters. Last weekend I treated the folks up at Whistler to the hilarious spectacle of some decrepit old guy zipping along at breakneck speed on a pair of rented 175cm Pocket Rockets. Ya gotta try 'em! But to really appreciate the PR, wait until the snow is nothing but deep, wet, sloppy slush, like a Margarita but without the tequila and lime. In these conditions the PR performed like no other ski I have ever been on. Forget about proper skiing style and technique, nothing works it knee-deep slush anyway. Just climb aboard and GO! The PR does the work for you, even if you are afflicted with terminal intermediateitis like me. I have seen the future and it is short, fat, and bright blue. Rock on!
post #48 of 68
Heyyy Geoff,
Sorry for the delay...Yeah, I'll tell ya'...there's a lot to say for the line that Bob & others have thrown around here now & then about
"skiing without thinking so much..".
The hike into this place is a GoOd OnE, no wonder
why everyone up there is in shape...like 2.6mi one_way..and a flatland hike it isn't
If you're ever in NewEngland (at any time during the year)..check out the Mt.Washington Valley... a nice place within hours of urban Boston and NewEngland suburbia.

[ May 28, 2002, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: HaveSkisWillClimb ]
post #49 of 68
Originally posted by john11:
Anyone skied the Vertigo Motion? How did it compare to the G3?
Hi, recently bought the Vertigo Motion 2003 177, previous ski Volkl Vectris (like the V3) 191...Here's my evaluation after my first day on the front side: Sweet spot - found after 2 runs - ..relatively small, you need an athletic forward stance, about a foot wide. (My former skis rebounded nicely regardless) But if you do it, driving forward with your hands, you'll get a clean carve. Top stability at speeds - skied faster than I ever had with my old 191s on 177s!!, Volkl-like grip on ice, any turn shape. Extremely forgiving, generally don't consider the g2 if you are an intermediate and above. I believe this may be the ultimate "do-everything- very-well" ski. Shines when carving black runs aggresively. Eager to test it off-piste!!
post #50 of 68
Thread Starter 
The previous post pretty much describes why I sold my G3's. The pilot really needs to be aggressively attacking the mountain all the time to get the best out of the ski. It's fast and very stable at speed, but I'm just too laid back for the G3. I'm out there for the sun, the scenery, and the snowbunnies. Sometimes I just wanna relax and float down the mountain. The G3, with it's somewhat Teutonic peronality, will have none of that. ("Vee are here to ski, so let's pay attention and ski! If you wish to relax, go back to zee lodge!")
post #51 of 68
Rossignol Bandit XX; Dynstar Intuitiv 71
post #52 of 68
Originally posted by Geoff Prescott:
I recently demoed the Volkl G3 for a day on Cypress Mountain here in beautiful British Columbia, and was really excited by the ski's snappy performance. As luck would have it I came across the G3 at a great price from a snowboarder who had won it in a contest and was looking to sell quick. So now I'm riding the local peaks on the G3 in the 177cm length. The only problem: It's a great ski, but I think I may have overshot the mark. The review on Peter Keelty's website advises that the G3 is okay for upper intermediates, but it seems a bit too stiff for me to handle well. I'm a solid intermediate, no problem on blue runs, not yet comfortable on blacks, starting to get into powder and steeper stuff. I'm afraid that I will slow down my progress in more difficult terrain by going to a ski that is a tad too stiff/fast. Or should I just work harder at getting comfortable with the G3? How long should it take to get used to a new ski, anyway? Are there some technique adjustments that work well for stiffer boards? I would like to hear from fellow skiers with ideas/suggestions about learning to love the Vertigo G3.
I skiied the G3 in 177 length about 40 days during this past 2001-2 season and loved it. I'm an expert level who prefers off-piste (Alpental home mtn, arguably toughest runs in WA state), 165lb 5'9". I bought the G3 to replace the narrow Nordica boards in my quiver (hey, I'm out here on the West coast, so the G3 is narrow to me) and get better performance in the bumps. They are stiff and somewhat demanding, but my feeling is that they are easier to ski than many so-called "expert" level skis, and for sure a high "fun factor". Volkls have a certain lively feel to them that is relatively unique, and you either like it or you don't; I happen to be a big fan. The G3 is a little softer than the G41 Pro and G4 I have (now those are some skis you have to have some strength for, but are really exciting). I take them just about everywhere, and vice versa...trees, couloirs, groomed, steeps, powder, bumps, jumps. I found myself gradually spending more time on other, wider boards toward the end of the season when my leg strength was greatest (footnote: Blizzard Titan...WOW).

My recommendation for certain regarding intermediate to advanced level skiers is to put some lift plates on the G3 under the bindings; 9mm min, even 13mm...this will be less fatiguing and quicker edging. I run 9mm on mine.

Although I've skiied marine powder extensively with the G3 and even got a week of CO dry powder this past season on them, I prefer other skis in my quiver over the G3 if I know I'll be doing a lot of that. The G3 excels at a mix of on and off-piste, but with a definte on-piste bias. So, if you frequent out the back-country gate as I do, you'll probably want to make your first choice something else, probably fatter and perhaps a little softer.
But the G3 is currently my favorite on-piste bias ski (altho I'm very intrigued about what I'm hearin g about the new Head XP80 and XP100, so my plan is to demo those in the coming season).
post #53 of 68
Heh, you guys really make me worry...lol.

Up until this season, I've been skiing on some intermediate skis/boots, even though I'm more of an advanced skier (not quite expert, would love to get there though).

I went down to my local ski shop to get boots, because people told me to get good boots before getting skis, and also because I really couldn't afford new skis as well.

I noticed a pair of G3's 177, that were demoed last year for 2 days and they were in really good shape (the shape they would be in after 2 days of me using them). Vertigo G3's with bindins (salomon s810s) for $409. I just couldn't resist. It worried me a little, because before I noticed the demo skis, I was talking to the salesman about the G3, and he said that it might be a little too much ski for me and that he would recommend something a little bit less. Then when I noticed the demo, he said that if I'm willing to take some effort to take myself to the next level it will work out. I have to really want to get better.

As I said, I'm 5-9, be about 150 lbs by ski time, 19 years old, probably best classified as advanced. I'll ski most blacks, a few double blacks here and there, but I don't do the overly extreme stuff. I like exploring and skiing in the middle of nowhere as apposed to skiing on groomed, although I did REALLY enjoy skiing a groomed run that had a few inches of fresh on it. I also am not a huge fan of speed (maybe that has something to do with the fact that my old skis can't hold an edge at speed at all).

I usually don't ski anywhere but outwest really, but I think this year I'm gonna try to get out here in MN to get some milage on these things. I'll also try to take a lesson when I get out to Utah.

Based on what you guys read, how do you think I will fare on these skis?

[ October 26, 2002, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: bicyclekick ]
post #54 of 68
Thread Starter 
Sounds to me like you're ready for the next kick up in performance and skill. You're young, the mountains are calling, you have the G-3 along with Salomon boots and bindings, a great combination. This ski will take you to the next level, if you're up for the trip. The G-3 has a crisp, fast feel. Definitely not a ski to relax on. It demands dedication. If you are committed to skiing and need equipment that won't let you down as you climb the skill ladder, the G-3 is the way to go. If you are skiing blacks now, you should have a blast on the G-3.
post #55 of 68
Wow, that's releaving to hear. Yeah, I really hope what you say is true.

I appreciate your feedback!

Any others?
post #56 of 68
Thread Starter 
What kind of skis have you owned or demoed? The G-3 is a great ride but it's just a tad too energetic for me. It responds eagerly when pushed but when you feel like taking it easy, the G-3 still wants to go-go-go. Compared with the high-performance yet forgiving Salomon X-Scream Series (one of my favorites) the G-3 feels like it's switch is stuck in the "ON" position. But keep in mind that you're talking to a 52-year-old here.
post #57 of 68
I've only had 2 pairs of skis, and I've taken a run or two on a third pair, so I really dont have a lot to go by.

The first pair was my old piece of crap learning skis. Then, what I've been skiing on for the last 3 or so years are what I guess they are called are "rosignol cross carves" or something, and just some cheap technica boots.

The other pair of skis were a friends pair, we just swapped skis for a run. They were one of the earlier generations of parabolic skis. I didn't like them at all, they were 'slippery' so to call it, I had a hard time innitiating an edge. He was saying that turning on my skis was really easy.

I wish I could visualize what you mean by too energetic. Are you saying that you have to always ski hard with this ski? I'm talking all out really getting into it, something that I personally can't do for all too long because I get to tired after so many turns. Or are you just saying you have to always give it a decent ammount of effort or? What do you mean by it still wants to go when you're lazy? It moves all over the place or?

Thanks a lot,
post #58 of 68
"What kind of skis have you owned or demoed? The G-3 is a great ride but it's just a tad too energetic for me. It responds eagerly when pushed but when you feel like taking it easy, the G-3 still wants to go-go-go. Compared with the high-performance yet forgiving Salomon X-Scream Series (one of my favorites) the G-3 feels like it's switch is stuck in the "ON" position. But keep in mind that you're talking to a 52-year-old here."

The G-3 is a great ski with lots of fun inside, The x-scream skis flat as a soggy pancake in comparison.

Same ski, different view point.

Keep in mind that you're talking to a 51 year old here.

" Don't shake a soda before opening, It takes the fizz out of it".

post #59 of 68
Thread Starter 
Cal-G could have a point about the X-Scream, but the skiing public who have made the X-Scream Series a bestseller for something like 3 years running also have a point. But let's not get off on a rant. The G-3 is a crisp, fast, exciting ski. By energetic I mean that the ski feels like it has lots of life in it. It gives back whatever energy you put into it. But don't get hung up on worrying about whether or not you have the right equipment. Technique is important too. A lesson or two would be a great way to get off on the right foot with your new gear. Let it snow!!!
post #60 of 68

It is interesting that the most popular equipment makes it to the top of the controversy list as well as the best seller list.

Certainly the X-scream and the G-3 fit that catagory. I'm all smiles

Oh! Heck! just try 'em both. Ski them till it hurts!

To quote an add from big business " There are no right answers, just intellegent decisions."

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