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Apology to the girls in the John

post #1 of 60
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I need to apologize to the high school girls I yelled at today for sideslipping the double black diamonds: "You don't belong here!" The message was hardly welcoming to these innocent visitors to our mountain paradise. 

 

They were really cute girls, too. They were all on snowboards and I suspect they were visiting for the holiday weekend, coming in on one of the big buses in the parking lot all the way from Minnesota or South Dakota. 

 

They had no way of knowing that one of my pet peeves is people who sideslip a chute after a powder day. Why they chose the one under the chair is a mystery, and the second time I saw them -- that's when I yelled -- they were under the cliffs on one of the nicest sustained steep slopes that just happened to still have a nice coat of foamy powder left over from yesterday. In their cute, self-consciously giggling ineptitude, they were squandering the precious resource, and even though I was taking my last run and it didn't matter to me personally, I decided to be the police. 

 

There were three guys catching their breath at the bottom of the bowl who witnessed my hissy fit. "Weren't you ever a beginner?" one of them asked. Busted! I thought later that I should have said that I didn't know that double blacks were classified as beginner slopes. 

 

Anyway, the reason I feel I should apologize is because I should have tried to change their behavior instead of yelling at them. If I had a trail map I could have directed these girls to the part of the mountain where they would have a good time at their level, and maybe they would stop endangering themselves, making work for the ski patrol, and pissing me off. 

post #2 of 60

Its easy to forget that we have all been in their shoes(or boots) and have gotten in a bit over our head when we don't know the terrain, or worse yet, don't know our own ability.  

 

During a lesson at Mt Rose one of our Ladies Day Instructors started a lesson teaching a side slip to some very intermediate ladies.  Her comment was, "The first thing you should learn is a side slip because one day you'll get in over your head and a good side slip technique will save your life" 

 

One other story......

I followed Alexzn and Xela into a chute at Squaw last year.  It was a chute that I'd skied before, but I got some stinking head game that convinced me that I couldn't do it this time.  I side slipped a majority of this chute, not because I couldn't do it but because I had a head game that came out of no where. 

 

It happens.

post #3 of 60

TC, of course, had the good sense to go last before cleaning the snow out of the chute, as I remember.  Was that Classic or Hourglass?

post #4 of 60

My favorite example is Mr Toad's--the chute below Bailey's Cirque off of Silverado at Squaw.  Just wide enough to make turns, unless, as is almost always the case, there's a snowboard length trench down the center after a two foot dump, which leaves the options of sideslipping it yourself or straightlining it. 

It's OK to yell at people who do dumb thing IMO--how else do people learn?  Important thing is to not let it ruin YOUR day. Although it's the guys at the bottom, who probably dragged those young women into someplace they had no business being, who deserved the yelling. And you have to be judicious about your yelling--there's so much idiocy to yell at you have to save your voice for when it really matters. Maybe limit yourself to once a day.

Trekchick--you're not the first person to sideslip Classic.  Did you happen to get into it this year during those windbuff conditions we had just before the big xmas storm?  It was perfect smooth soft chalk--not a bump to be found.  It gets tough when it gets those wall to wall staircase bumps.

post #5 of 60
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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

TC, of course, had the good sense to go last before cleaning the snow out of the chute, as I remember.  Was that Classic or Hourglass?

I think it was Classic.  You'll be happy to know that I've skied it since then and didn't scrape the snow out of the chute. biggrin.gif

 

 


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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

My favorite example is Mr Toad's--the chute below Bailey's Cirque off of Silverado at Squaw.  Just wide enough to make turns, unless, as is almost always the case, there's a snowboard length trench down the center after a two foot dump, which leaves the options of sideslipping it yourself or straightlining it. 

It's OK to yell at people who do dumb thing IMO--how else do people learn?  Important thing is to not let it ruin YOUR day. Although it's the guys at the bottom, who probably dragged those young women into someplace they had no business being, who deserved the yelling. And you have to be judicious about your yelling--there's so much idiocy to yell at you have to save your voice for when it really matters. Maybe limit yourself to once a day.

Trekchick--you're not the first person to sideslip Classic.  Did you happen to get into it this year during those windbuff conditions we had just before the big xmas storm?  It was perfect smooth soft chalk--not a bump to be found.  It gets tough when it gets those wall to wall staircase bumps.

 

I skied it a couple times in early January before mother nature turned off the snow.  It skied really well. 

post #6 of 60

I saw just about the same thing about 2 weeks ago.  I was riding our Stella lift, which glides up above a single-black run named G-3.  G-3 is bisected by a cat-track about 1/4 of the way down from the top.  The lower 3/4 is probably one of the easiest single-black runs at Schweitzer, but the upper portion above the cat-track is abruptly steeper...although still nothing ridiculous.

 

As I started to pass over the cat-track, I saw 4 late teen/early 20's snowboarding girls sideslipping down skier's left side of upper G-3, and they were end-to-end a couple of feet apart.  They chit-chatted and giggled and scraped a hard and flat path all the way down probably 20 feet wide or so!  

 

I settled for a sighing head-shake instead of a shout, but it did give me an idea.  I thought, "Why not deeply serrate the edges of those boards and have them descend selected runs in the same manner throughout the night?"  Voila, groomed runs on the cheap!  Imagine how much money the resort could save on buying grooming machines! 

post #7 of 60

OR.  I will pay for the big sign at the top/.

 

 

 

                              ATTENTION.  SIDESLIPPING by Skiers or Riders

 

                                  is NOT - NOT  real skiing or riding

 

                                                       and

 

                            DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO TELL YOUR FRIENDS

                               OR ENEMIES THAT YOU SKIED OR RODE

                                                   THIS AREA

 

 

                           STAY OUT - VERBOTEN-DANGER-GO AWAY

post #8 of 60
yep. we all were beginners at some point, pissing someone off formessing up our snow.
post #9 of 60

I can relate.  Today we saw 3 snowboarders E brake all the way down a tight chute we were going to take.  Fortunately, we mumbled about it for 10 seconds on the lift as we watched and then decided to hike in the backcountry and ski down.  They were the best runs of the day as we kept going back for more.  smile.gif

post #10 of 60
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Apology to the girls in the John

I was expecting something different here.. like maybe you used the last of the toilet paper or something like that.....

post #11 of 60

You think it gets bad out west?! Ha. Try quadrupling the number of people side slipping plus the fact that it is already the "ice" coast. MLK weekend brought the scrapers out in the masses, this weekend will probably be just as bad.

post #12 of 60
Nolo, you are human. I like that in a human.

You get mad and yell. Then you reflect on the human condition and feel bad for yelling before reflecting. That IS the human condition.
post #13 of 60
Thus thread is worthless without a soundtrack. CHSHCHHHHHCHSHHHHHCHSHHHH!
post #14 of 60

nolo, I had a similar reaction of aggravation followed by guilt last week on a Whistler powder day. You've made me feel better!

post #15 of 60
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Originally Posted by Artemat View Post

yep. we all were beginners at some point, pissing someone off formessing up our snow.

Yes we were, but most of us had the sense to not keep going back to trails that were way over our head.
post #16 of 60

Where I ski, maybe 1 out of 5 boarders actually knows how to make turns on steeps.  They like to ride the lift up to the top for the view but it takes them 2 hrs to get back down doing the butt slide.

post #17 of 60

The only skier I ever yelled at was the one straightlining a black, nearly sideswiping my wife and then me, blasting across a traverse all the kids take to get to the green runs, unable to turn (that stiff, wide-legged stance), just bombing it, mister big shot look at me skiing.  Big kid, ballsy, stupid.  I caught him at the lift, nailed him up and down and told him to take a lesson.  He looked kind of resentful, but he didn't say anything.  His friend, a much better skier, apologized profusely.  I didn't feel guilty.

post #18 of 60
One of the girls we ski with was complaining about this very problem, she suggested the same snowboard set up for heel sliders...

So, as a gag last season I made a "groomer" board.



post #19 of 60
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

I was expecting something different here.. like maybe you used the last of the toilet paper or something like that.....

+1

I was in a different Costco than usual the other day and walked into the women's bathroom. I also apologized to the girls in the John.
post #20 of 60
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Thus thread is worthless without a soundtrack. CHSHCHHHHHCHSHHHHHCHSHHHH!

No, I can hear it in my head.  Almost as bad as fingernails on a chalkboard.

post #21 of 60
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

It's OK to yell at people who do dumb thing IMO--how else do people learn?  ...

I'll bite on this bait.

I suppose the obvious enlightened answer  is yes there a better way to get the result you want.

Is yelling the best way to effect a change and prevent what happened again? Or is it just your rant to make you feel better.

If you envision the target of your rant as a 5year old toddler who doesn't know better, do you yell and scream at a toddler?.

 

Using words and explaining what and why will get you the result you wantbetter.   There's a reason why politicians/diplomats don't yell to get their way; and smooth talkers are so-named for a good reason. Especially if your conversation falls into the format of a debate; while you may win the debate as judged by a neutral party, the other party entrenches themselves to defend their position and you fail to convince them of your position or change their behavior.  

If you can work them from the inside, that will better effect change and get you what you want.

post #22 of 60
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

...

I should have tried to change their behavior

...

 

That is full of win.  Maybe a spanking or timeout?  I bet you are hoot to ski with.

post #23 of 60

It's painful to watch I know but who am I to be the authority on someone who's in over their head. They have every right to be there, they paid for the ticket just like everyone else.

post #24 of 60
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Originally Posted by snoseek View Post

It's painful to watch I know but who am I to be the authority on someone who's in over their head. They have every right to be there, they paid for the ticket just like everyone else.

 

 

If you pay enough does that make stupid the new normal?

post #25 of 60
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Originally Posted by BobMc View Post

One of the girls we ski with was complaining about this very problem, she suggested the same snowboard set up for heel sliders...

So, as a gag last season I made a "groomer" board.



 

 

Great Job. icon14.gif

post #26 of 60
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

 

 

If you pay enough does that make stupid the new normal?

IDK if you're skiing inbounds at a resort and complain about stuff getting scraped down then you're doing it wrong. Take that energy and go hike something if you want pristine chutes. Nothing you do or say is going to change a thing, ever. It just puts out an elitist expert skier vibe.

 

As i said, It's painful to watch but its sorta defines the "first world problem"

post #27 of 60

A nice loud rant at people you don't know can be so cathartic.  

 

Provided they are not armed.

post #28 of 60

There's a wonderful run at Alpine Meadows--the Face--short moderately steep pitch under the Summit chair that gets serious tight bumps and is scraped pretty well.  For some reason it holds a strange attraction for intermediate skiers and riders who thrash and skid and fall their way down it and get all that out of their system in a spot where they can't do any harm because decent skiers almost never go there except early on a powder day. 

 

Now what really gets to me is to see wide open Wolverine Bowl with a hundred separate traverse lines of various degrees of steepness, to the point that the entire bowl is nothing but traverse lines. Ah well, as the man says if you want pristine snow you gotta hike for it.  But it's easier to bitch.

post #29 of 60

In case you haven't noticed, the same lines are showing up at Squaw since the merger. So many Alpine skiers traverse like all hell. Rather ski half the line I suppose.

post #30 of 60
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

But it's easier to bitch.

 

...and more satisfying.

When I was in the Army many moons ago, I had an old Sergeant who always said, "A bitchy troop is a happy troop."

I've obviously never forgotten it and stole it for my own use when I later got into supervisory positions myself.  Anyway, that Sgt. was right...regardless of the occupation or activity.

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