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post #1 of 14
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After reading about a few season ending collisions (and narrowly avoiding some myself, I have decided it's time for a public service announcement.

 

This is a public service announcement.

 

Please consider the following scenario.  You are carving nice turns down a fairly steep run at high speed.  You gradually come up on someone also making  turns at a high speed, but not as high as your speed.  You, knowing the Skier's responsibility code, immediately consider slowing down, even though you are reluctant to do so.  You observe the other skier carefully.  Not to worry, he is making nice turns on the right side of the run; you are making nice turns on the left side of the run.  During one of your turns you make eye contact, and exchange a look of understanding: he will continue to make turns on the left as you make turns on the right, at least until you are well ahead of him.

 

WARNING!

Your Jedi mind-reading skills have been compromised by your strong desire to believe that is what the look the other skier gave you meant.  What it really meant is, "I am the ahead; if you come any closer, I am going to cut you off, force a collision, and thereby teach you a lesson about skiing etiquette." 

 

This is especially applicable if the other skier is large and not displaying high skill, despite his high speed.  He has likely come out on top of a couple of low speed collisions. If he had ever been hit by someone going as fast as you he would never even consider risking a collision with you. 

 

Always expect the other skier to do his/her best to collide with you.

 

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

post #2 of 14

I'm guessing this was at Blue?

post #3 of 14

If the runs get too crowded I just head for the trees. Levels the playing field.

post #4 of 14

slider, good advice when you live somewhere where trees are generally skiable. In Ontario the trees often aren't. 

 

Ghost, you're right that people misunderstand incidental eye contact. When I'm skiing switch, some people think that I'm magically going to watch out for them uphill in addition to steering around everyone downhill. I'm only concerned of the safety of people below me; you guys uphill should be taking care. Right of way is right of way.

post #5 of 14

*clap*

 

I'm tired of hearing stories complaining about or witnessing downhill skiers being yelled at for "skiing erratically." by the uphill skier.

 

The uphill skier's job is to avoid the downhill skier. That doesn't mean the uphill skiers job is to drift a little bit to the side of where the downhill skier has made their turns to that point, or to avoid the downhill skier as long as it doesn't force the uphill skier to slow down or alter their course too much, or to call out "on your left" as the uphill skier passes the downhill skier with 2 feet to spare just as the downhill skier was to start their left turn.

 

The uphill skiers job is to take every precaution to ensure they do not collide with the downhill skier no matter what the downhill skier does, including stop, fall, suddenly traverse the entire length of the slope, slow down, speed up, whatever. Stay out of their way, and it you can't, stay above them until you can.

 

It may not be the best idea for the downhill skier to suddenly decide to do something completely unexpected. It can be annoying and frustrating. It can show that they have no clue what they are doing, are on a trail totally overmatched for them, are risking injury by skiing above their ability level, or many other things. However, their lack of "defensive skiing" in no way excuses the uphill skier from avoiding them.

post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

*clap*

 

I'm tired of hearing stories complaining about or witnessing downhill skiers being yelled at for "skiing erratically." by the uphill skier.

 

...

 

Thank you.

 

I couldn't agree more.

post #7 of 14

Ghost--maybe those SG skis you like so much are too much for you. There are no lanes on a ski run. The skier below you can go anywhere he damn well pleases.  Maybe he's even a much better skier than you are but he is avoiding someone in front of him. If you're narrowly avoiding collisions you need to slow down.

post #8 of 14

Perhaps you were trying to pass Dikembe Mutombo?

 

Not today!!! Not in MY house!  LOL!

 

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Just to clarify

 

I'm not thinking about any particular incident, and not about this happening only to me, although now that I think about it, it seems to happen every 5 years or so, causing a close call.   Fortunately my reflexes are still (despite my advancing years) good enough that I can avoid the skier who is almost beside me, despite the misunderstanding, and I'm not talking about not understanding my duty to avoid the downhill skier.   I'm talking about a misunderstood look. I'm not talking about two skiers not realizing the other is going to zig and not zag causing an unintended collision; I'm talking about one skier almost beside another, making eye contact and thinking that there is an understanding that each will "share the road", when in reality that one skier thinks the other is going to share, but the other skier understands that he is going to assert his right to terrain and prevent the first skier from skiing past him, even if he has to deliberately cause a collision. 

 

Although it (sharing the hill) may seem like the reasonable thing to do when you encounter another skier on the hill, and it's what you would  do, not everyone is reasonable.

 

I think these could be the same unreasonable people who block the passing lane on the way to the ski resort biggrin.gif, or drive their porsche 911 at glacial speeds in front of my on my favourite twisty road when there is no passing lane.devil.gif

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Just to clarify

 

I'm not thinking about any particular incident, and not about this happening only to me, although now that I think about it, it seems to happen every 5 years or so, causing a close call.   Fortunately my reflexes are still (despite my advancing years) good enough that I can avoid the skier who is almost beside me, despite the misunderstanding, and I'm not talking about not understanding my duty to avoid the downhill skier.   I'm talking about a misunderstood look. I'm not talking about two skiers not realizing the other is going to zig and not zag causing an unintended collision; I'm talking about one skier almost beside another, making eye contact and thinking that there is an understanding that each will "share the road", when in reality that one skier thinks the other is going to share, but the other skier understands that he is going to assert his right to terrain and prevent the first skier from skiing past him, even if he has to deliberately cause a collision. 

 

Although it (sharing the hill) may seem like the reasonable thing to do when you encounter another skier on the hill, and it's what you would  do, not everyone is reasonable.

 

I think these could be the same unreasonable people who block the passing lane on the way to the ski resort biggrin.gif, or drive their porsche 911 at glacial speeds in front of my on my favourite twisty road when there is no passing lane.devil.gif

 

And maybe the same people who road rage also ski rage? 

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

You mean like this guy?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbTZkZTYkaM#!

 

nonono2.gif  That's just sad.   A ski hill is a place to relax and be happy, not get angry.

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Just to clarify

 

I'm not thinking about any particular incident, and not about this happening only to me, although now that I think about it, it seems to happen every 5 years or so, causing a close call.   Fortunately my reflexes are still (despite my advancing years) good enough that I can avoid the skier who is almost beside me, despite the misunderstanding, and I'm not talking about not understanding my duty to avoid the downhill skier.   I'm talking about a misunderstood look. I'm not talking about two skiers not realizing the other is going to zig and not zag causing an unintended collision; I'm talking about one skier almost beside another, making eye contact and thinking that there is an understanding that each will "share the road", when in reality that one skier thinks the other is going to share, but the other skier understands that he is going to assert his right to terrain and prevent the first skier from skiing past him, even if he has to deliberately cause a collision. 

 

 

In fifty years of skiing I can't say I've ever seen anyone deliberately try to block me or anyone else. Plenty of clueless people blocking lift mazes, cattracks, chute chokes, and the like, but never thought it was deliberate, just thoughtless, in the literal sense.. 

post #13 of 14

I'm still puzzled at skiing at high speeds in Ontario. I'll only rip if it's an empty hill, which only happens on weekdays in Ontario. But if I saw a skier in motion on a teeny tiny Ontario run, It's probably still not really safe to rip (45+mph) until the guy's down...

post #14 of 14

It's because the runs are over in 30 seconds, so people gotta make the most of the speed opportunity.  None of them want to spend 2 minutes at turtle pace.  That's my theory.

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