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Boots and Quad Burn - Definite technique issue, but are poorly fitted boots part of the problem?

post #1 of 9
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My quads burn and it's highly annoying.  I live in MN and go on 2-3 trips out west every year, so I've always assumed that the quad burn was because I was out of skiing-shape.

 

Just returned from a 3 day trip to Winter Park and am on a mission to do something to alleviate the quad burn before an upcoming trip to Whistler in early April.  So, I did some research here and have basically diagnosed myself as a backseat skier.  I plan on going to some local hills between now and April to work on my technique, but I also want to rule the equipment out as a problem first.

 

Skis:  Here in MN I ski on some 5 or 6 yo atomic sl's, mostly bc they are fun to carve on.  When I go out west, I rent based on the conditions.

 

Boots:  Salomon x-wave 6's, that I bought back in '06.  As far as I can tell the fit is pretty good.  My feet don't slide around, heel doesn't lift, no toenail casualties, feet generally stay warm.  Sometimes my arches get sore, and usually my calves get sore, but not to the point where it's detrimental.  Flex-wise they feel a little soft.

 

So, my question to the boot fitters relates to the X-wave series.  Do they have characteristics that may promote sitting back?  Or is this just a technique issue that I need to work out?

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

post #2 of 9

Xwave 6s would maybe work if you weigh around 135lbs or less --- an entry level to low intermediate boot.

 

back seat skiing is usually related to a center of mass (COM) problem.

 

what is the circumference of your calf at the top of the liner?

 

what size boot?

 

what size street shoe?

 

do you have custom or over the counter foot beds?

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read the above article and "shell fit" your boots.

 

mike

post #3 of 9

how about the easy stuff like how old are you? how tall are you? how much do you weigh? what is your level of physical fitness? do you have any video of yourself skiing?

 

no, the only character (istic) that is is affecting your skiing in the x-wave is you!

 

jim

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I'm 31, 5'11, 195.  In good physical shape, workout (cardio and weights) 4-5 days per week.  As far as level of skier, I like to ski a variety... carving on long groomers to some backside powder and crud.  Not very good at bumps, but can handle them at a slower pace.  No video.

 

I'm going to follow miketsc's advice and check some basic fitting metrics tonight.  Although, I'm wondering if this boot is just flat-out too soft.

post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

Xwave 6s would maybe work if you weigh around 135lbs or less --- an entry level to low intermediate boot.

 

back seat skiing is usually related to a center of mass (COM) problem.

 

what is the circumference of your calf at the top of the liner?

 

what size boot?

 

what size street shoe?

 

do you have custom or over the counter foot beds?

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read the above article and "shell fit" your boots.

 

mike

The boots are actually x-wave 7's, which are 80 flex (my mistake).  Boot size is 27, my street shoe size is 11 or 11.5 depending.  I've got otc footbeds, nothing custom.  The boot size seems to be decent as I have about 1/2" of room behind my foot with toes touching the front, and the sides of my feet are barely brushing the sides of the boot with my foot all the way to the back.  Calf circ at the top of the liner is 15.5".

 

Interested in finding out more about center of mass issues.  Is that an equipment or technique issue?  I'll do some research.

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post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

http://www.epicski.com/t/117982/correcting-forward-lean-with-custom-boot-work-to-compensate-for-large-calves

 

read this one, see what you think.

 

mike

Interesting.  I'm going to take out the adjustable spoiler and test to see if the reduction in forward lean helps.  If I get overzealous and look at buying new boots, which brands/models tend to have less fw lean and/or more room for a larger calf?

post #8 of 9

for you to balance up, the new boots would need to be modified---the most upright boots now adays are at 12 degrees still not upright enough for your size calfs.

 

mike

post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 

I stopped by a local ski shop last night on the way home from work and tried on some new boots.  Unfortunately, the bootfitter who seemed to know what he was doing was helping another customer, so I just used the guy who was helping me as a gopher.  Anyway, for each brand I tried, the 27.0/27.5 305mmish boot was always the correct boot fit.  Tried to stay between 100-120 flex.  My favs/best fits were the following:

 

Lange RX 110's - No nonsense, no frills.  Liked the ankle hold and liner.

 

Atomic Burner 110 - Fairly aggressive stance, liked the live fit.  Again nice ankle hold.  Seemed a little cushier, and not quite as stiff as the Lange and Head.

 

Atomic Hawx 120/110 - Most upright stance.  120 was the stiffest boot I tried on.  Most cush, seemed like more of an all-mountain boot, where the others were geared a little more toward the front-side.

 

Head Vector 110 - Fit kind of like the Lange.  Liked the buckle system.

 

They also had the Tecnica Demon 90, but were a little soft.  I would like to try the 120's or 100's as well.

 

I did not buy here b/c I am suspect of their bootfitters.  We have a place here in Minneapolis called Pierce Skate and Ski that I want to have fit me before buying.  That said, do any of these stand out as being a better/worse place to start based my forward lean/calf issue?
 

Thanks

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