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Skier, smooth, calculated, there has been a variety of my skiing posted, but maybe I can put up another clip.

Level 3 psia (from 15years ago), I like to wander mixed terrain at slow to moderate speeds and use natural features and snow shapes to create smiles, not rebound or speed) 5ft 11, 170lbs, 44yrs old, ski @75 days a year.

I enjoy skis that have a good blend of playfulness, edgehold, predictability and ease.

(Dawg, can you put the clip of me skiing my mx 98 on nightmare chute at mt rose for skier type reference? thx)

 

Conditions: rain a couple weeks ago, then a hard freeze, so base is quite hard and frozen solid. some loose snow on top from a couple of dust on crust storms in the last couple weeks. Ski companies should really dial tunes for days like today, some do, some, no.

 

I skied the same couple runs repeatedly in this demo trying to get a good range of conditions. starting w/ feeling ski on bulletproof unloading ramp and testing tune there, to carved turns down moderate groomer slope, Left to 4 or 5 short swing turns down wind deposited fluff on edge of run, R to off piste trees w/ good pitch and w/ icy bumps underneath, to fun bowled out tree line w/ bumps and scraped out firm sections, to  mixed radius access groomers, finished w/ higher speed arc'd turns back to chair. 

(for clarification, i didn't see many other skiers testing skis off piste, seemed similiar to Scott's impression in CO of fast groomer skiing for most testers)

 

These will be quick impressions, based on a couple runs (If I liked it, 1 run if not) not full reviews. I will rank them for me for today, because that is fun, and I'm not a retailer.

 

Stormrider 95 174

Good feel. Lively but solid.
Mount felt back about 1/2 inch, good edgehold for moderately soft ski. Potential to be great, not sure about long low rise tip, and mounting point.
 
Y85, stocki, 177
Odd. So shapely you don't want to lock it into a carve except on the flats, 
Fun in drifted turns and flats. Tip makes it feel slow edge to edge though, and tail felt like it went away. after 1 ski run, I would have tossed it, but I decided to take another.  I changed my skiing, and it was happier, skied more like a psia level 7/8 skier and it smiled more, still felt slower edge to edge then 85mm ski should be.
 
Vxl. stockli180, 
Felt solid predictable, damp but fun.
A scosh long for what I like in an "on the snow" ski,  but solid and easy, after the first 2 stocklis, I felt much better tossing these into the icy bumps.
 
E88 178. rossi
chair, Feels short on chair. Feels skinny for 88, and shapely.
Great grip and feel. Super shapely. This was a surprise. so much shape, I thought it would bug me, but it rocked today. best tune of day, for sure, tips really lead you around well, you can feel entire ski working. 
 
Salomon quest 98.
Light but predictable. Rocker not annoying, easy, pretty good hold for wide ski w/ such a light agile make up, and some rocker. 
 
Élan spectrum, 95 w/ metal, 180
Odd. Slippery. Too big of tip, I can't believe they are getting rid of the 888 and 999 for these quirky things. so much for the great ski company w/ no marketing, yuck
 
Liberty variant 97, 179
Bamboo w metal.
No liveliness. Only happy in open turns at speed. I guess if you only make pure arcs on the backside of vail at 30plus, these may be fun. not for me.
 
Head rev. 80, 177
Great feel on foot. Lively.
Good shape. Not grippy enough for 80m ski, I thought tune was soft, but it also lacks more substantial material in ski.
 
Nordica hell and back, 177
Grippy predictable but lively
98mm ski that is playful, holds well, fun to carve, short swing, and bounce from bump to bump. Best of day.
 
Dynasty 87 Outland, 178
chair, Feels heavy low tip. Tune not too sharp on nail test. but, skied great, solid, fun, good, not great hold, tip leads you around well, drifted good for such a shapely wide carver, overall good ski.
 
then, I skied my ski for these conditions:
Elan 888, 177 stock tune.
Easy, solid, predictable, top 4 in edgehold here, drifts well, doesn't carve as well as top 3 due probably due to less sidecut, less aggressive tip, but better drifting between bumps to edgeset on face.
 
Order of the day best to worst for me on this day:
-Nordica hell and Back, hell yeah!
-Energy 88, woo hoo, carver w/ extra skills, best tune of day, nice work Rossi.
-Elan 888, sound, solid, releases the body to ski and not think about the ski
-outland 87, riding around behind the solid tip and smilin'
-stocli vxl, predictable, damp, nice flex, just good
-stockli 95, so much promise, but mount point made me leary to trust it, seems having the low, early rise tip may have confused the designer on where the ski turned from. could be top 2 or 3 w/ correct mount I think.
head rev 80, need to try 85, w/  more solid construction for hard snow days like this.
-Y 85, hey, I guess I'm old school, I see what they are trying to do w/ these platypus designs, but they try to be everything and end up with confused performance in my book. i get the same feelings from the Cham, the bbr, the original icelantic shaman that had this type of tip, and the one below.
-elan spectrum, damn, and I really love this low key company w/ great people representing it. Plake, McCoy, bring back the real skis, and leave the toys to some other company. 888 999, 1010, just money skis, they do it all, spectrum... hum.
 
If I don't end up teaching tomorrow, I want ski Brahma, as it's getting hype and I want to see if it's justified, the REV 85, maybe steadfast, as I loved Hell and Back and Enforcer. also, E98 since I liked e88 so much. I will report tomorrow, and maybe follow up on others.
 
Cheers,
Holdiay
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Here is Wade skiing Nightmare and El Cap chute at Mt. Rose.  1 inch of slop over hardpack. 

 

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See you there tomorrow am 

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your credential is waiting at the WWSRA sign up desk. They have an envelope for all the Starthaus employees. Don't be surprised if they have to dig around for it at first. I also have your badge for Mammoth.

 

SJ
 

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A few more today:

 

first, I had Stormrider 95 set 2 to 3mm forward, and it was just right. I love that ski. great grip, plus forgiveness w/ nice flex and feel. top 3 of the 2 days. on the line, it just had a tendancy to run away from me i the bumps at transition, but w/ the tweak, right on every turn.

 

then Brahma, 180.

OK, I have to admit, I wanted to not like this ski w/ it's new school traits and others thinking it's great. just the contrarian in me I guess. but, as much as it annoys me to say it, this is a really good ski. great for off piste hard snow, bumps, and a variety of snow.

I took me a run to adjust, and the main thing was laying off the tip a bit, and skiing it more underfoot. second run, it worked wonderfully w/ that change.

 

E98, same solid feel as 88, but pushier. it had a more demanding idea of the turn it wanted to make, and the tail was more punitive. sitll a great ski, but wasn't as happy in my moderate speed off piste turns. wanted me to open it up.

 

Head Rev 85pro, great feel, nice snappiness, generally great ski. 

edge hold was short of what I expect for an 85mm ski, and I think maybe head had just tuned these a little less sharp then I like.

 

Nordica steadfast,

like a skinnier hell and back, but to me it felt a bit stiffer, especially in the tail.

still great, but the hell and back was  better fit for my prefered skiing, even on the ice.

 

I skied the stockli sr 95 again in hte afternoon, and still great. brand new edge was getting skied off, so not as confidence inspiring, but still great hold. 

 

I also skied my 888 a couple runs to finish the day, and it's right in there w/ the best of these for this condition.

 

days ranking:

SR 95

888

Bliz brahma

tied w/

steadfast

e98

rev 85

 

nice to see you Phil and Jim. I hope your video came out, and I hope your heal up well Jim.

 

cheers,

Holiday


Edited by Holiday - 2/14/13 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Here is Wade skiing Nightmare and El Cap chute at Mt. Rose.  1 inch of slop over hardpack. 

 

 

 

Holy St. Francis, Holiday, if you were any more patient with those turns they'd have to canonize you. Part of me is thinking that I could get a lot out of a lesson with you. The other part is thinking it would be like spending part of a day with an Ent - I'm not sure I have the attention span that would be required to appreciate it properly. smile.gif 

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Holy St. Francis, Holiday, if you were any more patient with those turns they'd have to canonize you. Part of me is thinking that I could get a lot out of a lesson with you. The other part is thinking it would be like spending part of a day with an Ent - I'm not sure I have the attention span that would be required to appreciate it properly. smile.gif 

 

I'm OK with that... :).

 

another way I like to think of my skiing is like flowing like maple syrup down the hill, as water flows way too fast. i don't like surprises.

 

also, it is key to note, that these runs are rated double black, have never seen a groomer and have frozen bumps under the 1in, but maybe that is justifying my mellow style. if it was groomed ego snow, they look about the same, oh well.

 

but this about ski impressions, the clip isn't about my style, but how it affects ski choice, and is a for the puzzle of why I might like some skis a lot, and others not at all...

 

cheers,

Holiday

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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post

A few more today:

 

first, I had Stormrider 95 set 2 to 3mm forward, and it was just right. I love that ski. great grip, plus forgiveness w/ nice flex and feel. top 3 of the 2 days. on the line, it just had a tendancy to run away from me i the bumps at transition, but w/ the tweak, right on every turn.

 

 

Can I assume you meant 2 to 3 cm forward? It is rather surprising that only 2-3 mm would make such a notable difference in performance.

 

I am asking not to be critical but because it is a ski that interests me tremendously.

 

Thanks!

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about 3mm, 2 to 3cm would have made it completely unskiable for me.  a few mm makes a distinct difference for me.

 

the main difference w/ this ski, in the conditions was in the odd/icy bumps, at the edge release/transfer, it had a tendancy to scoot forward more then I wanted at the stock line, while that minor bump back and I never felt that again, nuetral, solid predictable. and the is big props for a ski w/ a little early rise and quite a bit of sidecut. I mostly skied 177 to 180's at the demo, but this 174 didn't feel short either. I would buy it in the that length for me, but once again, I ski at slow to moderate speeds most of time.

 

cheers,

Holiday

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nice to see you Phil and Jim. I hope your video came out, and I hope your heal up well Jim.

 

cheers,

Holiday

 

Sorry to ditch ya but it was a work day for us. I am glad you liked the Brahma. While I still prefer the Bonafide for me, I weigh more than you and where i have it set up in my quiver, I can see why you prefer the Brahma over it. Oh, when I I eat crow, I prefer it broiled with a light demi glaze. 

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Sorry to ditch ya but it was a work day for us. I am glad you liked the Brahma. While I still prefer the Bonafide for me, I weigh more than you and where i have it set up in my quiver, I can see why you prefer the Brahma over it. Oh, when I I eat crow, I prefer it broiled with a light demi glaze. 

 

yes, I really wanted to dislike that ski, but it is a good one.

 

No worries, my repeated test run was away from the video friendly area, and you guys probably wouldn't have liked my snow selection.

 

Good to see you guys out there enjoying the sun!

 

cheers,

Holiday

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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post

A few more today:

 

first, I had Stormrider 95 set 2 to 3mm forward, and it was just right. I love that ski. great grip, plus forgiveness w/ nice flex and feel. top 3 of the 2 days. on the line, it just had a tendancy to run away from me i the bumps at transition, but w/ the tweak, right on every turn.

 

then Brahma, 180.

OK, I have to admit, I wanted to not like this ski w/ it's new school traits and others thinking it's great. just the contrarian in me I guess. but, as much as it annoys me to say it, this is a really good ski. great for off piste hard snow, bumps, and a variety of snow.

I took me a run to adjust, and the main thing was laying off the tip a bit, and skiing it more underfoot. second run, it worked wonderfully w/ that change.

 

E98, same solid feel as 88, but pushier. it had a more demanding idea of the turn it wanted to make, and the tail was more punitive. sitll a great ski, but wasn't as happy in my moderate speed off piste turns. wanted me to open it up.

 

Head Rev 85pro, great feel, nice snappiness, generally great ski. 

edge hold was short of what I expect for an 85mm ski, and I think maybe head had just tuned these a little less sharp then I like.

 

Nordica steadfast,

like a skinnier hell and back, but to me it felt a bit stiffer, especially in the tail.

still great, but the hell and back was  better fit for my prefered skiing, even on the ice.

 

I skied the stockli sr 95 again in hte afternoon, and still great. brand new edge was getting skied off, so not as confidence inspiring, but still great hold. 

 

I also skied my 888 a couple runs to finish the day, and it's right in there w/ the best of these for this condition.

 

days ranking:

SR 95

brahma

888

steadfast

e98

rev 85

 

nice to see you Phil and Jim. I hope your video came out, and I hope your heal up well Jim.

 

cheers,

Holiday

 

 

What, no Kastle at the demo?  I was on the FX94 (2013/2014) and skied better/cleaner than on any of the others I tried today (everything on your list save for 888 and 95) plus about 8 more. I really liked it at WP, but had forgotten about the tall AT binding on there.  Today, I skied it with a standard Power Rail, and it was the most smooth, effortless, yet powerful and stable ski for off-piste junk snow I have ever been on, or if not, at least pretty darn close.   It is now skiing longer than this year's model (flex changed somewhat) but it was a really good ski before, and now an unreal ski.  Cool thing is I have video of the same run on the Soul Rider (which was my 2nd favorite in the group I skied) and the Kastle.  It is amazing to see how much more I am allowing the Kastle to follow the snow, how much more fluid I look on that ski than the Soul Rider, which I felt I was skiing quite well on, certainly better than most of the skis for the day.  


Edited by dawgcatching - 2/13/13 at 9:34pm
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What, no Kastle at the demo?  I was on the FX94 (2013/2014) and skied better/cleaner than on any of the others I tried today (everything on your list save for 888 and 95) plus about 8 more. I really liked it at WP, but had forgotten about the tall AT binding on there.  Today, I skied it with a standard Power Rail, and it was the most smooth, effortless, yet powerful and stable ski for off-piste junk snow I have ever been on, or if not, at least pretty darn close.   It is now skiing longer than this year's model (flex changed somewhat) but it was a really good ski before, and now an unreal ski.  Cool thing is I have video of the same run on the Soul Rider (which was my 2nd favorite in the group I skied) and the Kastle.  It is amazing to see how much more I am allowing the Kastle to follow the snow, how much more fluid I look on that ski than the Soul Rider, which I felt I was skiing quite well on, certainly better than most of the skis for the day.  

 

Nope, no kastle at Alpine!

 

I wish, as I have a thing for Kastle.

94 sounds great for me. just the length I like, 176, just the radius, 20, and just hte construction, classic wood w/ metal. 

I look forward to getting on it, or maybe I'll just order it for next year based on these stats and your review.

 

Thx!

Holiday

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