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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Patagonia has officially lost me. I've been a customer since around 1988. Still have my old grey fleece. Awesome customer service, but unfortunately you need it all too often now. The last straw? Ordered two pairs of long underwear, one light and one medium weight. I've ALWAYS worn a L... 34-35 waist pretty much the whole time. The light weight pair... Perfect. Same as always. The middle weight pair... 34-36 waist my arse. Maybe after a couple of cases of beer. Damn things won't even stay up. Bought on pro deal so I pay for shipping. Even for return. Their sizing is so completely f:);#+*}'d that you can no longer even buy underwear without trying it on at a retail shop.... which according to pro purchase rules you're not supposed to do. Sorry Yvon. I'm bummed too.

 

Maybe they are just growing too much? They used to be a core mountaineering/climbing/backpacking brand, and now they are doing everything; fashion, resort gear, swimwear, trendy around-town stuff. They probably have lost some focus. A good friend of mine is working with Steve House on some promotional stuff; Steve is still happy with their mountaineering gear, so it must be up to snuff.  He would know. 

post #32 of 56
I agree, their sizing has been all over the map. Unless it say "slim fit" now, I don't even bother. Mostly dead bird now.
post #33 of 56

I will be meeting with Patagonia at SIA and I will bring this topic to their attention. I also find inconsistency in their offerings. Last season I tested the Pow Slayer kit of jacket and pants and I had to go into a medium, this season I have the Untracked kit and while we haven't had the conditions in Tahoe to properly test it an run it through it's paces, the large fits perfect. I will ask about the sizing ranges and what their thoughts are and it this has been an issue brought up elsewhere. 

post #34 of 56
I recently bought the powslayer bib in my normal size large (5 11. 180 lbs) and they were huge, really long in the legs and baggy all over. I sent it back and got a medium which is perfect in the legs and seat, but really tight where it comes up on the rib cage and back area. So apparently their bibs don't fit me. My options now are to send them back or have them modified with elastic in the tight area. Not sure it's worth the cost and effort. These are very expensive bibs, too bad they don't fit better.
post #35 of 56
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I recently bought the powslayer bib in my normal size large (5 11. 180 lbs) and they were huge, really long in the legs and baggy all over. I sent it back and got a medium which is perfect in the legs and seat, but really tight where it comes up on the rib cage and back area. So apparently their bibs don't fit me. My options now are to send them back or have them modified with elastic in the tight area. Not sure it's worth the cost and effort. These are very expensive bibs, too bad they don't fit better.

If you like bibs and want a more athletic fit I'd go the super alpine or one of the arcteryx bibs. the powslayer is really a well relaxed fit.

post #36 of 56
Thanks for the info. I will look into the Super Alpine.
post #37 of 56
I like Patagonia products but struggle with their sizing as well. I have found that if you talk to them ahead of time, even with the pro deal, they will give you a great deal of information to include sizing.

When it comes to sleeve length, some times it matters if it is in the snowboarding/skiing line or Mountaineering line. The latter has longer sleeves.

I've also been wondering if some of this is from the fact they have these items manufactured in different countries; the Primo Down is made in Bangledesh while the Primo is made in Vietnam. More countries are involved as well.

I bough the Primo this season. Fit wise it is OK, but mostly because I put on a few pounds and according to Patagonia it is thought of more as a snowboarding jacket so it is a little baggy and listed as a "relaxed fit". If I was the correct weight for my height (<150# and not my current 170#), the medium I bought would be going back, but since I chubbed up, the fit is pretty good.

I am able to wear the hood over my helmet but it might be because I'm in a medium but structure wise I should be in a small.

My first day wearing the jacket this season it rained the entire day and it performed perfectly. The inside pockets could be much bigger though. The way they are sized, I'm not sure I'll get much use for them. External pockets are fine, but wish I had another chest pocket since the inside pockets are useless.

It seems to me that even in the same season, you can't base a fit on their items from line up to line up. You really have to look at the intended use, the type of fit and possibly whether or not both models were made in the same country.

Ken
Edited by L&AirC - 12/16/14 at 3:20am
post #38 of 56

I never saw this thread the first time around.  

 

2012??? maybe 2013??? I was in a Patagonia sales clinic and the gal told us she was super excited that Patagonia hired a lead designed from Burton.  She specifically mentioned to look for "that style" in their future line ups.

post #39 of 56
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I'm resurrecting a thread from last year to point out that Patagonia seems to have made a lot of fit changes for the 2014 winter line. I saw a video that was several minutes long where Patagonia employees were describing their 2014 line and frequently commenting on the fit changes. Apparently there were enough people complaining about their fit last year. I then tried on one of the jackets (all of their jackets have the same fit this year) and it fit very similar to the PowSlayer I tried on last year. I kinda wish I had waited a year to buy the Primo jacket because I much prefer this year's fit.


I am currently wearing the 2015 Patagonia Pow Slayer for women and can't believe how great it fits compared to other kits I've worn from them in the past. 

post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson View Post
 

I never saw this thread the first time around.

 

2012??? maybe 2013??? I was in a Patagonia sales clinic and the gal told us she was super excited that Patagonia hired a lead designed from Burton.  She specifically mentioned to look for "that style" in their future line ups.

 

That would explain the "geared towards snowboarders" look.

post #41 of 56

This is an area where Arcteryx is superior. They have five different types of fit depending on the application.

-next to skin fit

-trim fit

-athletic fit

-relaxed fit

-expedition fit

post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post
 

This is an area where Arcteryx is superior. They have five different types of fit depending on the application.

-next to skin fit

-trim fit

-athletic fit

-relaxed fit

-expedition fit

arcteryx is definitely more consistent with their fit approach. Patagonia is kind of all over the place. My 1st version powslayer is much baggier than the one from @Trekchick picture, so either a year to year inconsistency or a men to women inconsistency in the fit.

post #43 of 56
Just tried on the Super Alpine Patagonia bibs and I looked like a duck hunter in waders, not the look I'm after.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post
 

This is an area where Arcteryx is superior. They have five different types of fit depending on the application.

-next to skin fit

-trim fit

-athletic fit

-relaxed fit

-expedition fit

arcteryx is definitely more consistent with their fit approach. Patagonia is kind of all over the place. My 1st version powslayer is much baggier than the one from @Trekchick picture, so either a year to year inconsistency or a men to women inconsistency in the fit.

I'm not sure if you can call it inconsistency.   I'd be more inclined to think that they are trying to improve the fit and move in a good direction for their demographics.  Much like different manufacturers will keep the same name on a ski but change the dimensions and construction. 

 

For instance, the PowSlayer kit is designed to appeal to the skier who wants a fitted outfit that keeps the elements out while allowing some mobility. 

The Untracked is a bit more of a freeride look with a more relaxed fit. 

There are several different cuts and styles to appeal to the masses, much like Arcteryx or North Face, but you need to know what you're looking for. 

post #45 of 56

Stuff is sized like a tent.

Inaccurate sizing is my #1 gripe with clothing manufacturers.

They sell a sporting image and size things for the morbidly obese.

post #46 of 56

I'm 5' 7" 185 Lbs with a 44" chest, 33" sleeves. Until recently, just about all of Patagonia's jackets fit, usually in large though my 20 year old guide jacket is a medium.

 

Last year I was looking to exchange a lightweight shell that I bought in 2009 because the lining was delaminating. After trying every jacket in the store, I walked out with something for my daughter. Medium was out of the question, and everything in large was too tight in the chest and/or too high in the armpits. A few XL's fit well in the body, but the sleeves were 4-6" too long; most were just all around huge. Wandered into the store again recently and it's still the same story.

 

It's not just Patagonia though; I recently tried on most of the shells in REI  (skipped a few that were stupidly expensive) with pretty much the same result.

 

I do tend to need shirts with larger arm holes, but have been wearing the same off-the-shelf dress shirt in the same size forever, so it's not me who changed.  

post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

I'm not sure if you can call it inconsistency.   I'd be more inclined to think that they are trying to improve the fit and move in a good direction for their demographics.  Much like different manufacturers will keep the same name on a ski but change the dimensions and construction. 

For instance, the PowSlayer kit is designed to appeal to the skier who wants a fitted outfit that keeps the elements out while allowing some mobility. 
The Untracked is a bit more of a freeride look with a more relaxed fit. 
There are several different cuts and styles to appeal to the masses, much like Arcteryx or North Face, but you need to know what you're looking for. 

Still going to use my example from last year with two pairs of the same sized long underwear, one lightweight, the other medium.... One fit, the other, I need to drink about four cases of beer to fit. I went into the Seattle store to try stuff on... Same jacket model/name, one with full zip, one with half zip. Both should fit the same, no? No... Completely different. Maddening.
post #48 of 56

$99 for some fancy boot top bottoms and they fit like baggies around the knees.

Seriously, they are cut more like board shorts than underwear bottoms.

If they sold them as a loose second layer it would be OK but they are wway too baggy in the legs for a baselayer.

Don't buy them unless your legs are like Magnus Magnusson's.

post #49 of 56
I finally took my medium Powslayer bib to Rainey Pass (Seattle) to have it altered. The medium fit me better than the large in the legs, waist, seat, but was tight in the rib cage. They are going to put a gusset in the back of the bib. Hated to spend any extra, but wanted them to fit me.
post #50 of 56
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I'm 5' 7" 185 Lbs with a 44" chest, 33" sleeves.

ROTFL

This does kind of illustrate what the manufacturers are up against. You and I are the same height, but otherwise we could be different species. Must be hard to design for that.

<<rant>>Seriously, I would just like to be able to read in plain English, in a way that does not vary from brand to brand, and is not couched in opaque marketing speak, whether something tends to be a trim cut, whether arms and legs run long, etc. In the old days some of the catalogue outfits were better at providing this kind of service - i.e. translating the b.s. for everyman. Some online places have latched onto this a bit (Zappo's). But lots of shops seem more interested in keeping big brands happy by - for example - putting all of a brand's stuff together in store or catalog. When I'm looking for a jacket I'm looking for a jacket; I want to compare them side by side not visit the Arcteryx area and then the Mountain Hardwear area, etc. I want to find what I need and move I with my life.<</rant>>
post #51 of 56

Arcteryx has it right.  As mentioned above, they state exactly the fit, and differences between each.  Trim, Athletic, Relaxed, Expedition fits.  Pick what you prefer, and off you go.  They've divided their lineup in order to attract those various body types and target a larger market segment, rather than the stupid "baggy fits everyone!" approach of most companies.

post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

I like Patagonia products but struggle with their sizing as well. I have found that if you talk to them ahead of time, even with the pro deal, they will give you a great deal of information to include sizing.

When it comes to sleeve length, some times it matters if it is in the snowboarding/skiing line or Mountaineering line. The latter has longer sleeves.

I've also been wondering if some of this is from the fact they have these items manufactured in different countries; the Primo Down is made in Bangledesh while the Primo is made in Vietnam. More countries are involved as well.


Ken

Exactly. And not just different countries, but different subcontractors within the same country may have differences in fit, color, details . And this is true for a lot of big clothing companies. I've bought the same size and model Levi's and you couldn't tell that the two pair of pants were from the same company if it weren't for the label. (Or maybe one pair was a knockoff?)

 

Now why would the mountaineering line have longer sleeves. Could it be that mountaineers reach over their heads and skiers don't (except for the woman I saw the other day skiing bumps whose arms flew over her head with every turn.)

post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

Exactly. And not just different countries, but different subcontractors within the same country may have differences in fit, color, details . And this is true for a lot of big clothing companies. I've bought the same size and model Levi's and you couldn't tell that the two pair of pants were from the same company if it weren't for the label. (Or maybe one pair was a knockoff?)

 

Now why would the mountaineering line have longer sleeves. Could it be that mountaineers reach over their heads and skiers don't (except for the woman I saw the other day skiing bumps whose arms flew over her head with every turn.)

 

 

Yes.  Not just up but out.

post #54 of 56
Used to be a huge Patagonia purchaser - totally like their ethos and Yvon Chouinards guiding principles. I could even be ok with different pieces having different fits - but when the same piece varies significantly from one year to the next - its just pot luck. Example would be the Ultralight Down Jacket Hoody/Jacket - try one on from last year and this year. this years is anything BUT a slim fit (which is the old "regular" fit BTW). I just buy Arcteryx now and know what I am getting. Would come back if they would figure it out. They arent alone - try Mountain Khaki's - oh my, that is pot luck within a year for the same size and same piece. However I hear MK's gotten better.
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

Exactly. And not just different countries, but different subcontractors within the same country may have differences in fit, color, details . And this is true for a lot of big clothing companies. I've bought the same size and model Levi's and you couldn't tell that the two pair of pants were from the same company if it weren't for the label. (Or maybe one pair was a knockoff?)

 

Now why would the mountaineering line have longer sleeves. Could it be that mountaineers reach over their heads and skiers don't (except for the woman I saw the other day skiing bumps whose arms flew over her head with every turn.)

 

 

Yes.  Not just up but out.

And down, for that matter.

And this may not be relevant to the particular items discussed in this thread, but soft shells are going to be a bit more snug than hard shells, due to the stretchiness. (Spell check doesn't recognize stretchiness. Is it like truthiness?)

post #56 of 56
Only of you're stretching the truthiness... Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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