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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

This year I have been skiing in a Smith Phenom Goggle with the Igniter Lens and a pair with the Sensor Mirror, they sometimes get a litte fog  and in really low light days they don't have the greatest clarity, foundd myself last weekend going to the car and pulling out a pair of old Oakley E-Frame Clear Goggles and off I went, had a great day. I have tried on this week a Anon with a Blue Lagoon Lense, the Smith I/O and the Zeal Detonator PPX Polarized Photochromic Lense, I like the fact that on the I/O I change the lenses and at night I can go to a clear lense, the Anon I like the clarity, but whose to say that when I'm out on the trailis they aren't  going to fail me and the Zeal I like the polarized photochromic lense.

post #2 of 12

So what is the question?  All three are reputable googles.

post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

Any opionion either way, kind of tried of buying goggles, have gone thru several pairs thought that the Phenom's would have done the trick, but no where close.

post #4 of 12

Are you having problems on days with flat light causing definition issues ???


If so i am sure Smith has a lens in their collection to handle that issue


for either the Phenom/IO series frames


this post may be helpful to you if its a lens issue



post #5 of 12
I really like the oakley HI persimmon, no good when the sun comes out though.
post #6 of 12
Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

Are you having problems on days with flat light causing definition issues ???


If so i am sure Smith has a lens in their collection to handle that issue


The 'Sensor' is the one normally recommended for flat light.  I think they have a blue one now if you prefer that to the yellow or rose.


If you don't like the Smith lenses, the I/O won't improve anything (other than being able to swap out lenses easily).  I went with the I/O because I like the hot-swap capability, but the lenses and fit are practically identical between the Phenom and I/O.


Smith does have polarized and photochromatic options for the I/O now, but not a polarized+photochromatic like the Zeal PPX.

post #7 of 12
I'm a huge fan of my Zeals (PPX) - no need to switch lenses because of their photochromic properties, and rarely fogs. Well worth the convenience, IMHO.
post #8 of 12

Smith goggles fog when they haven't been properly dried out. Sometimes it's best to remove the lens overnight. Make sure you dry out the google bag or case as well if you're using them. Properly dried and assuming the lenses haven't been cleaned improperly, there shouldn't be an issue.

post #9 of 12

Which smith "sensor" lens did you use?  The red and the blue are very different animals, and will perform quite differently in flat light conditions.  Remember also, that as light flattens and the overall intensity drops, your eyes will shift into that great nether region of sight called mesopic vision.  There isn't any magic lens on the planet that will create light and contrast that simply isn't there in the first place.  But, with that said, the right goggle lens can go quite far in maximizing vision in those super flat conditions.


Bear in mind as well, that the "right" lens for you can be a highly subjective experience.  What I like, or the next guy likes may be completely different than what makes you happy.  A few general places to start:


* Spherical lenses are a big plus.  Yes they cost a little more, but the visual improvement is measurable.

* Yellow or warm base colors will help minimize blue light - which is very tough for our retinas to chew on.

* Be aware that mirrors will reduce light to the eye, and that the color of the mirror will affect the colors you see.


Another often overlooked situation is visual correction.  When was your last eye examination?  Even an extremely slight refractive error (almost all of us have one to a greater or lesser degree) will be exacerbated in flat, mesopic conditions.  If you need glasses or contacts - even an extremely slight correction, wear them.  Believe me, it helps!  These are all basic and initial things to consider.  Be sure to ask if you have more specific questions we can assist with.





post #10 of 12

The phenoms should be a pretty good goggle- I have it.  The lenses have all the latest smith features, and is spherical.



1) Is it a genuine product? Or did you buy it grey market?

2) Did you mess up the lens? Do you wipe/polish your goggles often, or when wet or damp?  If you do, this actually ruins the lenses.  Don't do it.


3) For fogging, whole threads are devoted to this, but if the lens is new, and the slider switch is on open, then you may need to change up the way you are wearing your clothes and hat/helmet to allow the moisture to escape better and not chimney up.

post #11 of 12

I don't know all the Smith models but in my experience the models with the nonadjustable airflow ventilation fog less than the regulator models like the phenom. Not sure why anyone would want less ventilation by closing the vent holes on the regulator models, unless they ski really, really fast. I wear glasses and finally broke down and bought turbos. They work. Now if someone would make goggles where the buckle is not in the middle of the strap, where the helmet clip wants to go. 

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for their input, went with the Smith I/O, it came with a Sensor and Ignitor lens and I ordered a clear lense and I'm back in business again, Thanks

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