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Loooking for new frontside skis. Couple of questions regarding integrated bindings and models.

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I ve been looking for some new skis and would like to hear some thoughts from people on here. I'm 6 feet tall, 165 lbs and probably a low advanced skier.

Currently I have the following:

Moment Ghost Chant 186 for powder.

Moment Ruby 188 for days when we get decent snow around Tahoe.

 

Elan 888 in 186 for my all around ski. Got this as a great deal, but it is a bit too long for me. It does great on long radius turn, but I would like something a bit quicker and something that would be good in moguls, which I plan on practicing more.

 

K2 Omni 5.5 in 176. This is about 6-7 years old and I bought the Elan to replace it. Good ski but not as stable as the Elan at higher speeds.

 

Looking at Elan Amphibios Waveflex 14 and 88Xti. I demoed the 88XTI in 170cm and loved the ski. I can get a used model with Fusion binding for basically the same price as a new model that is flat with Tyrolia bindings. Any suggestions if there will really be a difference between the bindings?

 

Not sure if I should go with a size 176 or 168 for the Waveflex 14. I would appreciate if anybody could give me some input here.

 

I also found a Volkl Werks RTM 84 for a "reasonable" price and would like to know if that model is any stiffer than their regular RTM 84. I demoed the RTM 84 in 176 and thought it was good, but wanted it a bit faster to turn. Was thinking about the Werks in 171.

 

Looking forward to some responses. Thank you.

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I would say don't be in too much of a hurry to buy new skis as the new 2014 models are going to start to appear at ski resort demo days. I tested out the Elan Amphibios 88xti at an Elan demo event at my local ski resort and loved it, but I'm holding off on making a decision because the Elan tech told me he would be back in mid-March with the new 2014 models. I

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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post

I would say don't be in too much of a hurry to buy new skis as the new 2014 models are going to start to appear at ski resort demo days. I tested out the Elan Amphibios 88xti at an Elan demo event at my local ski resort and loved it, but I'm holding off on making a decision because the Elan tech told me he would be back in mid-March with the new 2014 models. I

Thank you for the answer and suggestions. I was willing to wait and was really considering the Waveflex 14, but had no opportunity to demo it. I demoed the 88xti and loved it. I just ran across the 88 xti on ebay for a decent price as a new model and picked it up. Its not the fusion, intergrated binding, model, but the flat model. I have bindings from my other skis so it was a very good deal.
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Glad to hear you enjoyed the 88xti. To me it feels like a ski that is going to make you a better skier, so good luck as you advance up the skill ladder. Regarding bindings, the 88xti is such a good looking ski, I would hestitate to mount a used set of bindings. One of the things I like about the 2013 88xti is Elan's new binding design, but bindings are a personal choice, so go with what works for you. Would be interested to hear if the flat mount binding makes a noticeable difference over the integrated binding. Looking forward to seeing a report on the skis after you have put in a few miles on the new boards.  

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Originally Posted by StoicDude View Post

I ve been looking for some new skis and would like to hear some thoughts from people on here. I'm 6 feet tall, 165 lbs and probably a low advanced skier.

Currently I have the following:

Moment Ghost Chant 186 for powder.

Moment Ruby 188 for days when we get decent snow around Tahoe.

 

 

Looking at Elan Amphibios Waveflex 14 and 88Xti. I demoed the 88XTI in 170cm and loved the ski. I can get a used model with Fusion binding for basically the same price as a new model that is flat with Tyrolia bindings. Any suggestions if there will really be a difference between the bindings?

 

Not sure if I should go with a size 176 or 168 for the Waveflex 14. I would appreciate if anybody could give me some input here.

 

 

Looking forward to some responses. Thank you.

I've been skiing Elans as my frontside skis for several season now and have had a great experience. I think you'll find that the Fusion binding system may be a little heavier than a flat set-up ( it is also heavier than the new Elan ELX system which is very nice). However, unless you are a really discriminating skier I don't think you'll notice the additional weight at all. It's not like you're skinning or hiking with these skis.

 

If you are considering the both the 88 XTi and the WF 14, and if you're not a big heavy guy who skis fast all the time, I might suggest you consider the Waveflex 12. IMO the WF 12 is  very quick and and a little more forgiving in the moguls you indicate you are interested in improving. It still performs at a very high level and is by no means a soft ski.  The WF 12 has one sheet of metal where the others have 2.

 

I think at your weight, the WF 14 or 88XTi would be better in a 170/168. A WF12 in 176cm  would be a great option. It will give you performance now and in the future while a shorter 88 or WF14 may leave you wishing you had a longer ski when you are skiing at the highest level. The WF 12 works better than the others when you are skiing at less than mach schnell speeds and is therefore a better tool for technical development.

 

 All of these are great frontside rippers. You won't go wrong. Any of the three will perform at the highest  level. The only question is about your size, weight and skiing preferences. Eat your Wheaties and Enjoy!

 

PS.  No, I don't have any connection to Elan. I'm just a satified customer.

post #6 of 11
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Wow! Thank you for that response FlashGordon. That is what I was looking for. smile.gif

I was looking at the WF 12 ski as well. My main concerns were the proper lengths for me and the differences in the bindings. Thank you for clarifying that.

I have an Elan 888 ski in 186 and I love it for speed, but making quick, short turns on it is tough. That was my first experience with a metal ski.

The WF 12 sounded good, but I demoed the 88 and really liked it. That was one of the main reasons I went with it. I didnt want to buy another ski, in this case the WF 12, without trying it first. Finding Elan skis is tough and getting demos is even worse.

I ll posr the pictures of the bindings I'm taking from the 888 to use on the new amphibios.

I think that the 88 should have 1 sheet of metal and then carbon instead of a second sheet of metal.

Ill be at Rose, Alpine and Squaw to test these and report back.
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This is the binding that I was going to switch over to the 88 XTi. It is an Elan binding.

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What's the maximum DIN setting on that binding? I assume it is a 12 DIN. If it's at least a 12 DIN you should be fine. If it's the flat version of the  Fusion 12 it is basically the binding Elan paired with the 88Xti's predecessors, the pre-amphibio Waveflex 82 XTi. Bigger, burlier guys may want a bigger, burlier binding on that ski, but you'll have no problems.

post #9 of 11
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It goes up to 13, so its a 13 DIN binding. It looks like the heel and toe piece from 2-3 year old fusion bindings. Basically a Tyrolia binding. My only concern would be finding somebody to mount it, because it is a rental/ demo binding and I don't know if that mihht present a problem. I ll find out on Wednesday I assume.
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Originally Posted by StoicDude View Post

It goes up to 13, so its a 13 DIN binding. It looks like the heel and toe piece from 2-3 year old fusion bindings. Basically a Tyrolia binding. My only concern would be finding somebody to mount it, because it is a rental/ demo binding and I don't know if that mihht present a problem. I ll find out on Wednesday I assume.

Shouldn't be a problem. Enjoy those new skis!

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks Flash. I will report back when I get them and get to take some turns on them.
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