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Actual Steepness of the trails vs. color coding (Park City resorts)

post #1 of 21
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We are traveling to Park City in March and am hoping some of you can share your knowledge please.

I'm looking for advice on the "actual" difficulty of the various ski slopes in general from the three area resorts around Park City (Canyons, Park City, Deer Valley).  I've been studying the trail maps and the color coded maps from the 3DSkimaps website, comparing the colors listed to resorts I'm familiar with in Colorado and New Mexico.

The only resort or the three mapped by this site is Park City.  So, comparing it to something like Breckenridge or Copper Mountain leaves me to conclude Park City might be a bit more difficult (read steeper slopes in general) mountain than Breck and Copper in Colorado. 

Can someone who has been to all three compare The Canyons and Deer Valley to Park City as far as slope steepness grading (ie. Is a Blue slope in one place generally the same average angle or steepness as a Blue slope at either of the other two resorts) 

 

From what I can guess, Deer Valley looks to be the most "friendly" mountain for folks like us who don't ski all that often, who skills might be considered "light" intermediate (think Greens and about half of the Blues at Breck. or most of the right half of Copper).  In other words, Deer Valley looks to have the most runs accessible to us based on our skill level.  (but no snowboarding!...one member of our group boards).  Also, I am thinking the Canyons might offer the least amount of easier terrain to our skill level.

 

Please help me confirm or alter my thoughts on these three resorts.

 

 

PS: For point of reference and accuracy of the 3d ski maps site, I have been to Taos and looking at the coloring for their slopes on that website, I was able to confirm my suspicions that a "Blue" in Taos could be considered a "Black" at other resorts and that in reality, there are very few areas (besides the snow covered roads) there that could be considered Green.  If you are a good intermediate or an expert...Taos is a great place to go!

post #2 of 21

Of the three, PCMR has the most green terrain. Close second would be DV. All three have plenty of easy blue groomers.Re ratings, I think all three would be pretty close to Copper's ratings. To me, Breck has a lot of slopes marked blue that would be green elsewhere and a fair amount of blacks that seem blue. But it's been a while since I've been either. The Canyons is light on true beginner terrain. PCMR has a long green called Homerun which you can take from bottom to top that anyone who can ski at all should be able to do. Wide and easy.   

post #3 of 21

Just relooked at your post. If you only feel comfortable on about half the blues at Breck (which all seem easy) I would probably avoid The Canyons. Not that it's hard, but sounds like you're looking for green or easy blues. DV has an abundance of easy blues. Also, King Con chair at PCMR.

post #4 of 21

All three resorts do a very nice job of fluffing the egos of their skiers.  Think you will find a considerable amount of terrain to explore.  

 

If you are comfortable with them, go explore some of the runs off of the Dreamscape and Daybreak lifts at The Canyons. Some interesting meandering runs through very nice wooded neighborhoods, and normally very uncrowded.

post #5 of 21

The canyons is pretty big and has plenty of fairly easy groomers.  The "colony" as they call it is an interesting area.  Lots of gentle, but somewhat narrow terrain that sort of snakes between on the mountain houses and streets.  Lots of bridges to ski over and under.  It really is quite unique and kind of fun.  Overall though, the groomers at Park City are more fun IMO.

 

And one other thing when skiing Utah...stay away from Snowbird.  Seriously, the greens there are probably steeper than some of the blacks at breck.  

post #6 of 21

The blues off peak 7 in Breck are amongst the easiest in the entire state of colorado
 

post #7 of 21
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The blues off peak 7 in Breck are amongst the easiest in the entire state of colorado
 

I have to agree. They are really greens but if you find a section that is bumped up then I might call them blue. But generally the lower parts of Breck are NOT steep at all except for a few select areas. Its great for beginners. As a comparison some blues on Beaver Creek proper are MUCH steeper and since some can get icy some sections are way beyond the limit for a lot of lower intermediates. Vail is somewhere in between. 

post #8 of 21
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I've only skied two runs on Peak 7, probably a year or two after it opened.  I remember there being short sections on a run where the terrain changed from a flat slope to steep for a short length and then back to flat.  At least that's what it seemed to be like this beginner at the time.  I think it might have been the 2nd ski trip for me.
 

post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by MuchosPixels View Post

I have to agree. They are really greens but if you find a section that is bumped up then I might call them blue. But generally the lower parts of Breck are NOT steep at all except for a few select areas. Its great for beginners. As a comparison some blues on Beaver Creek proper are MUCH steeper and since some can get icy some sections are way beyond the limit for a lot of lower intermediates. Vail is somewhere in between. 


also goes for peak 8 a little bit as peak 7 has more rolling hills, and theres nothing wrong with that it gives people confidence they can ski blues on big mountains i just hope they realize that a blue there will not be as difficult as say a blue somewhere else, its much like vermont, southern vermont okemo and stratton blues are relatively easy compared with northern vermont ski areas

post #10 of 21
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Let me try to pose this another way?

 

At Breck, there are 5 or 6 blue runs after exiting the Beaver Run lift.  (Columbia, Sundown, Bonanza, Cashier...etc.) and a few towards the right marked as Blue/Black (American or Peerless).  I think the blue/black are generally un-groomed and have natural carved moguls.  Plus they appear to be a little steeper according to the 3d ski maps.

 

Are any of those runs similar or easier or steeper than the "single square" blue runs under King Con at PCMR? 

 

According to the coloring on the 3d ski maps, most of the King Con runs look more like the Blue/Black runs at Breck.

post #11 of 21

For runs marked intermediate, I think the biggest impact to difficulty would be whether or not the run is groomed. Some areas groom virtually every single blue run every single day of the year, with one or two left to bump up to be transitition runs to ungroomed advanced skiing. Or, areas will groom every blue run and some black runs, which kind of bothers me as I think groomed black runs is an invetion pretty much solely designed to stoke skiers egos, and leads to issues with the same skiers tackling groomed blacks getting caught on an ungroomed black run completely lacking the skillset to tackle it.

 

I think a low intermediate skier should not have an issue tackling almost any groomed run (I mean a West Coast "packed powder" groom, not a translucent ice, grooming marks don't go away even when they are skied on groom), so if difficulty is a concern, just stick to the groom until you have a feel for the area.

 

Along those lines, I have not skied at any of the Park City areas, but Deer Valley is certainly the one with the grooming rep- Lots and lots of stories out there of them grooming epic dumps to cord on 90% of their mountain.

post #12 of 21

I think in DV's case they know who their clients are, and most want groomed trails no bumps etc and thats why they mow down the pow.  I dont blame them one bit im pretty sure if they left it after a storm they would have tons of complaints from their skiers that they could not ski most trails etc.
 

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by stevez33 View Post

I think in DV's case they know who their clients are, and most want groomed trails no bumps etc and thats why they mow down the pow.  I dont blame them one bit im pretty sure if they left it after a storm they would have tons of complaints from their skiers that they could not ski most trails etc.
 

Yeah but on big pow days you will find tons of lines in the trees.  DV's target clientel has good points.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by dschae1 View Post

Let me try to pose this another way?

 

At Breck, there are 5 or 6 blue runs after exiting the Beaver Run lift.  (Columbia, Sundown, Bonanza, Cashier...etc.) and a few towards the right marked as Blue/Black (American or Peerless).  I think the blue/black are generally un-groomed and have natural carved moguls.  Plus they appear to be a little steeper according to the 3d ski maps.

 

Are any of those runs similar or easier or steeper than the "single square" blue runs under King Con at PCMR? 

 

According to the coloring on the 3d ski maps, most of the King Con runs look more like the Blue/Black runs at Breck.


Wondering if anyone this weekend has a comment about my restated steepness comparison.

post #15 of 21

Mauisteve covered it.  Blues at Breck are overall not as steep as PCMR/Deer Valley.  Copper is about the same as the PC resorts.  The top part of Upper American at Breck is briefly steep enough to be black, but pure blue after that.

 

If you can do 1/2 the blues at Breck you will be fine at PCMR/DV.  The other factor is even though the blues at PC are overall steeper than breck, they're really wide at both so shouldn't be an issue.

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 Or, areas will groom every blue run and some black runs, which kind of bothers me as I think groomed black runs is an invetion pretty much solely designed to stoke skiers egos, and leads to issues with the same skiers tackling groomed blacks getting caught on an ungroomed black run completely lacking the skillset to tackle it.

 

To be fair I really enjoy hitting the occasional groomed black run. IT's really fun to be able to just let it go in terms of speed and black runs give you the terrain features to play with while at those speeds 

post #17 of 21

ill add to this thread as i arrive at PCMR on thursday and will do some skiing that day thru the weekend
 

post #18 of 21

Agree with Lone Wolf that groomed blacks can be really fun. There is one off the Crescent lift at PCMR called Silver King (at least I think that's the one) which is really fun.

post #19 of 21

Ya it looks like that lift brings you to about 5 signature black runs from the trail map
 

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

We are heading to Park City Utah today!!!  Once I get back, I'll update this thread with my own opinions on the differences between resorts...probably via a mini trip report or something.

post #21 of 21

i noticed when i was there a few weeks ago the blues at pcmr were normal blues not to crazy some steeper than others off the kingcon lift, alot of the single blacks were often skied off and well icy in the afternoons, they do have steep terrain in the bowls thats challening but nothing that will scare the crap out of u like altabird

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