This thread is some flashback.
I don't know what happened, one minute I was walking down the street and then this guy with a DeLorean pulled up and I got in...
Now I'm here.
Okay - this seems to be moving toward a valid discussion.
First, Tog: You say there were serious issues with our bindings two years ago. I know of no such issues. Meanwhile, OTHER brands have gone through through large recalls, but somehow you think WE have an issue? You also say we got terrible reviews here. Not so - a few people who have never skied on them (and apparently never even SEEN them) dissed us, but people who actually skied on them liked them a great deal. All of the actual reviews I can find are very, very positive.
As for left/right, we think we have a very reliable way for people to get this right. It isn't 100%, but it is about as reliable as putting your boots on the correct feet. In addition - if, for some reason, you fail to get this right - then they work very much like ordinary bindings.
Ok, so the product on the market now is essentially the same as two years ago? Or have there been changes?
I know you came out with the Carbon model. What's the difference? Just the shell? Was it for weight or strength?
As for "reviews" of bindings, I wouldn't put much stock in it. I mean what are people reviewing? Basically the foot goes in fine, it feels ok, they didn't release on me as I cruised around etc. Those are essentially annecdotal and have no data to make any sort of claim from.
The NHTSA (Nat'l Hghwy Trans Saftey Admin) doesn't ask for safety "reviews" from people and publish them. They also don't take the manufacturers word that they do such and such in an accident. They go and crash test the cars and see what happens. These tests have had a huge impact on the safety of cars because consumers can view them and they're easy to understand. - Car goes into wall at x mph, what happens? - pretty simple.
Going even further, the insurance companies themselves developed their own tests because so much of their money depends on real data as opposed to annecdotes. The IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) recently developed a new offset frontal test that more closely resembles common accidents. Those where a car impacts a solid object on only part of the front, instead of running into a wall. (http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html)
Some cars that might be considered annecdotally safe, as in "that's a safe car" - the Mercedes C class, Audi A4, Lexus IS 2/350, - they all failed the test. (http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/08/iihs.html)
So what tests and what data can you show us to validate your claims for your binding?
You could say that other binding manufacturers don't have data either. True, but unfortunately we've been living with it and are used to it. You're also claiming something new and different.
You're going to have to show some kind of test data to really convince people.
Last time we had ChrisfromRI on here saying how "safe" they were, but that was based merely on nothing happening while he used it. - annecdote.
OK, let's try to be fair to you. Of course everyone would agree that IF we lose 70,000 ACL's a year (and I don't know that's true; I'm only using your number), we all would like to fix/mitigate/alleviate this issue. But you seem to imply that other companies are not doing any work on this, that they are willfully and "negligently" ignoring a dangerous hazard, and that they are intentionally attempting to profit from an inadequate product and drive you out of the market.
Perhaps you have evidence that supports these assertions, but you sure haven't produced it. If your binding actually does solve the problem, the world will beat a path -- no a 6-lane highway -- to your door. And, you will be able to license it for plenty more. The world of machinery and technology is rife with examples of complete paradigm shifts within very short time spans built on proven innovations. But...... I don't see that here. Could it be that you don't have a complete solution? That you don't have and can't produce a competition-level binding ... or technology even adequate to submit to testing and evaluation?
In a world where shaped skis, then rockered skis infiltrated and then took over the market, where brake-lever shifting on bikes rendered down-tube shifting immediately obsolete, where the IPhone dominated the market as soon as it debuted..... KneeBinding is one lone visionary lost in the cold, cold world of corrupt binding companies and can't get a break????? Your story line is improbable, and your lack of solid proof as to the value of your technology leads me to believe there's a lot of hot air here, but no substance.
You do yourself no good by pontificating and accusing w/o proving.
tch, I'm not saying the chairman's binding works or not, but what you're saying isn't the way the world works. I know it's completely illogical, but just because something works, would benefit people, and other companies could use it to benefit their customers, doesn't mean those companies will embrace it. In terms of bindings, what it comes down to (and this is conjecture) is that if binding company A embraces this technology, then essentially they're saying that their other bindings are unsafe. So now they all have to have it. Plus, it calls into question everything they've been making.
Before you argue with that, I'll give you a real world example. (sigh...kicking the tires of the DeLorean because I did this last time).
About 13 years ago this guy invents something to prevent people from cutting off their fingers in a tablesaw. Essentially, he used airbag technology and the device senses when the blade contacts flesh, fires and jams the blade in a hunk of aluminum. It worked. They tested it with hot dogs to mimic a finger and it stopped the blade extremely quickly - could've saved the finger. It was reliable too. Not a lot of false blow offs, though for a few materials you have to turn it off and thus don't have protection. The replacement cost when it goes off is about 100$. Plus a new blade, but you might be able to repair it.
Ok, sounds great right? What table saw manufacturer wouldn't want to put this on their saw? So he brought it around and showed it to every manufacturer. Almost all thought it was brilliant and were impressed. Yet not a single one wanted to buy it, or license it for their own product.
This from an article in Fortune Small Business in 2005:
But when he tried licensing the technology to tool manufacturers, they rejected the idea. He approached Delta Machinery, headquartered in Jackson, Tenn., one of the largest tablesaw manufacturers, but Gass says the company told him safety doesn't sell.
"I was flabbergasted. The industry didn't see this as a solution to a problem," says Gass. "They saw it as a problem, because it creates a product-liability issue for them." In other words, the existence of such technology could make saw manufacturers who didn't use it seem negligent.
So, he ended up starting a company to produce tablesaws with the device in it. The first saw was produced in 2004 and the company, Saw Stop, is still in business and still the only one with that technology. (http://www.sawstop.com/)
cue Paul Harvey...."and now you know the rest of the story"
John, please run your post by marketing before posting ... here is what you just said ( searchable via the the entire internet) :Here's why: Our bindings don't make skiing safe. They do not prevent crashes. You can still get injured on KneeBindings. You can even injure your knee on KneeBindings.
People searching Google will read this and make a split second decision on a purchase.
I think you have done all you can do here.
I wouldn't worry about it. It's an honest statement about the state of bindings. It acknowledges the risk. Read the back of your ski ticket. You're still skiing. Replace "bindings" with "cars", "skiing" with "driving" , and there you go. No one would claim cars are 100% safe considering we have tens of thousands of deaths in cars per year in the US.
Actually, if he claimed the opposite, ie they're totally safe, it could be trouble down the road. Almost surely.
Edited by Tog - 2/7/13 at 10:59pm