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Atomic Blackeye Ti

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My son who is 6' and about 215lbs. is looking to but the Blackeye Ti. He's about a level 6/7 and skis east (Ontario and Quebec). I've never been on these so don't know what size to suggest to him. There's nowhere to demo these around here so looking for advice from someone who's been on these. Sizes are either 174 or 181.

 

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I'm pretty much the same size (+ 5 lbs or so), pretty much the same level, maybe a little below:  I ski mid-west blues and blacks, carve at least some of the time (says the instructor, not just me), working on turn shape and speed control on steep(er) stuff.   On groomers, 'cause that's all we've got.

 

I have these skis and really like them.  I have the 174, bought the shorter one partly to make turning easier (see above about speed control on steeps...).   For turning, side-slips, moving from carve to slipping around a turn, skiing anything from hardpack to 5 inches or so of fresh, they're great.   With one qualification:  there seems to be a speed limit, beyond which I lose a little stability.   It's about as fast as I care to go anyway, and probably faster than I should go.

 

If your son likes speed, is comfortable turning on steeps, in crud and in tight corners, maybe plans to take them into deeper snow, I'd say get the 181s.  At least as of a few weeks ago, there were some pretty good deals on 2011-12 models to be had.

 

Disclaimer:  NOT an expert.   NOT somebody who has tried a whole bunch of skis, though I do have some basis for comparison.

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Thanks SlowObstacle. I'm leanung toward the 181cm just because of his size but am a little leery as he still needs an easy turning ski. He's been on my Crimson Ti, 178cm, and found them a little too much for him.

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Thanks SlowObstacle. I'm leanung toward the 181cm just because of his size but am a little leery as he still needs an easy turning ski. He's been on my Crimson Ti, 178cm, and found them a little too much for him.


The Crimson is a beefier ski, so that might not be just the extra length.   Are your skis new enough to have the early rise in the tips?  If not, that would be four things working against easier turning:  greater length, width, and stiffness, plus the lack of tip rocker, which does in my experience make for easier turns, especially in softer snow.

 

I went with the 174 after having a pretty bad time a few years ago in softer snow on some steeper Western blues, on a 177 Volkl AC 30.   "Bad" in the sense that I reverted to stemming turns from traverse to traverse, rather than actually skiing down the slope.  Fully cambered, too stiff, too long a radius, too demanding on technique for where I was at the time.  Blackeye 174 helps me ski better, AC 30 didn't.  And like I said, the apparent speed limit is a good ways up, even at my weight.

 

But I'd still probably get the 181's, especially for a younger guy.

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Think I'll tell him to wait to see the 2014 models. Phil had mentioned both the Blackeye Ti and Crimson Ti saw changes for 2014. Hopefully he'll put up some review on them.

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