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Vwerks Katana

post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
Heard it was awesome. Anyone ski it?
post #2 of 48

I'm sure Phil or Jim will have more specifics when they get back from Colorado, but one of our other testers got on them at SIA and said they were the best skis he tried at the demo day - and he doesn't like fully rockered skis. 

post #3 of 48

I own the V-Werks 84, and I love them. My other ski is a Kastle MX 88.

I love them both. If they come up with a wider Katana version next year I might

buy a pair. The V-Werks feels light, and quick. It is stable like a heaverier ski.

post #4 of 48

I saw these today at Stratton. The most awesome ski ever. Never have I seen anything like it. I really wouldn't have thought you can build a ski like this. I don't think I even have words that can describe it. The Katana is already my favorite powder ski, I must have this new one. Next, they need to take this build and make a V-Werks Mantra.

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post #6 of 48
Thread Starter 

Echos of what I have already heard.  Non-Volkl Non-Katana people are in love with it.  This ski could be the next big thing--it seems everyone is pushing a 105-109 ski for next year.  And $999 isn't that bad.  

post #7 of 48
Originally Posted by epic View Post

 I don't think I even have words that can describe it.


Katana/Exxon Graftek  cyborg?

post #8 of 48

'More info in our video, along with some on-the-snow time:


post #9 of 48

It's definitely one of the more radical looking skis that I saw at SIA. Now I'm kind of sorry I didn't take a pair out when I had the chance.

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With the dimensions of the ski remaining unchanged, but going to the carbon fiber and aramid construction, I'm curious how this skis' "personality" has changed? Is the Katana still the hard-charging, crud busting, great edge-hold (for its size) ski as before just taking each to a higher level, or has the new construction significantly added to its bag of tricks? I'm curious if the lighter weight and/or quick response of the carbon fiber has made them more playful and nimble (???at the possible expense of stability in crud???), how it's affected the flex, if it's made the skis more or less forgiving if the skier gets lazy, etc...  The material advancements we're seeing in skis right now is pretty cool. 

post #11 of 48

^^^ bumping old thread


Anybody ski this and have opinions to share ?

I saw them in person a couple weeks ago at a shop and they are visually stunning IMO.


Blister Gear did a review last week and it was extremely favourable:



- Andy

post #12 of 48
It's actually not a bad ski... Bette than I thought it'd be. Excellent torsional stiffness seems to make up a bit for the full rocker profile. Arc'd well on groomers, good in crud and powder. I still prefer the FX 104 and even the MX 98 and Experience 100 for crud, but it's going to be a great ski for the Volkl fan that has a pair of RTM 84's in their closet and wants something wider.
post #13 of 48

I had a pair but sold them...only because I really don't need powder skis right now.  With that said I loved the skis.  They railed turns on groomers, they weren't unskiable in moguls, and offered enough float in soft snow to keep my happy.  They weren't as good as my Wailer 112's in powder but they were exponentially better everywhere else..

post #14 of 48
The 191 KVW is my everyday ski. I have around 35 days on them so far this season. Solid, stable, crud buster. Not as damp as the regular Katana, but still a great ski. The 191 KVW has a smoother overall flex than the regular (metal) 191, and is stiffer underfoot than the metal Katana. It simply rails big GS turns. You have to be always on it to make it go. If you are the least bit hesitant, it'll throw you.

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I'm thinking about getting these but can't decide on the length???  I can get a killer deal on 184's but 191's are regular price.  I currently ski DPS Wailer 99's in 184cm and 112's in 191cm.  I'm 6'1" and about 220lbs fully loaded ;)  I've got no problems with the 191's but I believe the DPS has much more rocker than the katana and therefore ski's shorter.  Any advice??  Cheers.

post #16 of 48
My Wailer 112's were 190's but my V Werks were 184.
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I couldn't resist a great deal on uber-sexy skis and impulse snagged some KVW at 177cm.


Haven't told my wife yet I bought 2 sets of skis last night ( the other being FX94 176cm ).

They both may have to remain unmentioned & hidden offsite until I unload some "excess old ski inventory" around here :D


Me -> 5'9" 175lbs, just an intermediate ski hack trying to get better along the way.

I went for the KVW at 177 as the Blister Gear reviewer Jonathan Ellsworth skied them at 184.

I figured if an uber-skilled ski reviewer rocks the 184, my lesser skills should put me in a smaller length.


I also have 112RP at 184 and length is very good for me.

The DPS banana rocker is a different shape than the Volkl's gentler  early-rise rocker.

So I think more of the Volkl tip will touch ground sooner than the DPS tip.

Hence me selling myself on the 177 over the 184.


- Andy

Edited by ARL67 - 3/19/14 at 2:47pm
post #18 of 48

  I had a chance to ski the 177 yesterday just a bit- The shop was closing early and that's what they had out, I grabbed them and did one quick top to bottom lap off the Payday lift..

    We had about 7" of powder the night before from a cold snap that made mid winter conditions on top of refrozen solid ice from the 50' spring temps earlier in the week. My Soul 7s are great in soft snow but helpless on ice. 

  The KVWs were good in the powder we had, if a little stiff, but a smooth, round flex, a lot like my old pre rocker Gotamas. Where they were really great was transitioning from powder to crud to ice sometimes in the same turn. To find late day pow, I went directly under the lift- often an overlooked corridor-and darted along the edges, around Aspens, and back through low bumps in the center. "Dart" is the word. In 177, they go right where you point 'em, no hesitation, and feel much narrower than they are. Not quite as quick as the silly fast Soul 7's- almost- but they're a different ski-  edging on the icey stretches, they bite like ...a Volkl. They pivoted easily in low bumps and basically ignored the changing conditions- Pow to crud to ice. I didn't have to think about the ski at all, just where I wanted to go, like, let's clear that aspen by 12" to hit that  untracked powder pillow.


   The next stretch was a low angle groomer that parallels the Nastar course on our hill. The KVW's pulled into and fired off short turns easily and felt very solid- I also ski the Mantras and the Kendos and they felt very similar on this run.


   The next stretch has a bit of a pitch to it, but it was pretty much mid winter corduroy thanks to the low temps and the fact that it's a low traffic run. I got them up to speed and laid them over in some big arcs and here's where I really noticed the light and thin factor. 

They were not nearly as damp and stable as I expected- I'm used to banking the Mantras into rock solid arcs, and even the Soul 7s, which I'd hit the same run with not 20 minutes before, provided a more solid ride. But... I'm thinking that these need more dialing in between rider & ride than just the one shot. The Mantras are a no brainer on a big arc, you pretty much roll & stand on em. The Kendos, with their smaller mass, need a bit more attention to create that same stable arc. I'm thinking that with a little more familiarity, the KVW's can be just as solid. The other factor is that my Mantras and Kendos are 177s, cambered, early rise and the Souls are 188's. Comparing a 177 rockered KVW may be apples and oranges.


 The biggest surprise was the rebound. Load these babies up and they'll shoot you into next week. The first zing took me by surprise, then I happily made high speed air turns all way down the rest of the mountain.


So- I would demo, certaiinly, and probably try the 184 for my height & weight. Very intuitive ski- you think, it turns. It wants you forward (as opposed to centered), silky smooth, quick & nimble, round, even flex in powder, skis narrower than it is, lively, like alive.... Jury's out on the GS turn, will just need to do more investigation on that...


Me; Advanced, 5'11, 170 #, skiing 25 years, skied at PCMR.

post #19 of 48

I'm confused, what's the upside of the VWerks carbon version of the ski? I thought it was purely weight savings for touring, hence the change to the BMT line next year. Why would you get this ski other than for touring?

post #20 of 48

The BMT line next year ( 3 widths ) does not replace the Katana.

The Katana is stilled poised to fill its niche, though not the same burly ski as the non V-WERKS Katana.

The Blister Gear reviewer lamented the loss off the traditional Katana from the Volkl lineup.




- Andy

post #21 of 48

Got my 177 today.  Fondled them heavily, but that's about alI I can do with them for now.

I also like that the topsheets are asymmetric - never clued into that via pics at review sites.


And NO I won't be buying lime-yellow ski pants or goggles to match them !  :D



Edited by ARL67 - 3/21/14 at 1:45pm
post #22 of 48
If I had to have a 1 ski quiver and I lived out west the KVW would be it.
post #23 of 48
Yes, the KVW is a great, western, 1 ski quiver. Mine just rip.

But along with Blister Gear, I too am lamenting the loss of one of best crud-busting, stiff, damp, big skis ever made - the regular Katana.

post #24 of 48

Further remarks on the V-Werks K. Finally went on sale (new graphics next year) so I picked up some 184's and mounted Griffons. 

 Skied them yesterday in some of the worst conditions I've ever seen at Park City- lumpy, refrozen groomers that Vail forgot to groom, a layer of rain, then a few inches of glop that collected in piles. At first, I thought I'd made a mistake and gone too long ( I didn't) - I've been skiing the Soul 7s in 188 but these need one's full attention as Volkls tend to do. After awhile, I just laid them over in big turns on the uneven boilerplate and blasted through the muck crud. They held, I survived.


 I had them out today at Alta and conditions couldn't have been more different. 6-8" of new champaign snow, 29 degrees, perfect corduroy, and I mean perfect. There was just enough powder to cover some very nasty frozen crud- coral reef- and hardly anyone there. The VWKs were amazing. In soft snow, they make a beautiful, round, creamy arc- the flex, though stiff is perfect- The Blister Review describes this really well. They carve powder much the same way as my old cambered Gotamas did- but are livelier and spring from turn to turn. A dream in powder- perfect amount of float. They are fast, but also light and nimble. They are amazingly quick edge to edge. Finesse charger - kind of a contradiction in terms- fits.

   Hiking, they're feather light and all the little stuff, from kick turns, narrow traverses, bushwhacking, skating, is easy because they're so damn light. And they hold like a scalpel on ice. On the groomer run outs I hit 47 mph  ( I got an app...) without really trying and they held rock solid- like on rails- in the big carve.

Outstanding ski. Not a lazy ski, or slow, but the more you put into them the more they come alive...


Here's a shot of the conditions we had to put up with today...    


post #25 of 48

^^^^ Question: The standard rap against these is that in variable the same nice liveliness transmits a lot of shock back into the legs. I've found some of that with DPS Pures. What's your take for the Katanas? 

post #26 of 48
Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ Question: The standard rap against these is that in variable the same nice liveliness transmits a lot of shock back into the legs. I've found some of that with DPS Pures. What's your take for the Katanas? 


It would be somewhat interesting to hear about a set of UVO'ed  DPS Pures.  :D

post #27 of 48
Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ Question: The standard rap against these is that in variable the same nice liveliness transmits a lot of shock back into the legs. I've found some of that with DPS Pures. What's your take for the Katanas? 

I thought they felt really smooth.

post #28 of 48

I was thinking that on that really crap snow day, they were probably the best skis I could have from my rack except maybe the Mantras (cambered). But it was tiring, no question. Not so in pow.... I'm not sure how the Souls would have worked, they tend to slip on ice.  In any case, they're going to be pretty much a "big day" ski, I expect. 

post #29 of 48

Mr. Crab  have you ever tried Shiro's ? I haven't been on Katana's but did notice a few guy's on them at Okemo last Spring. All said they were having a great day on them.

post #30 of 48

Both myself and my pal have owned a few sets of DPS over the last 3 years. 

Between us -> 112RP Pure, 112RP Pure2, 99 Pure2, 99 Pure3 


Both of us also have the VW Katana ( me 177, he 191 ) and it is significantly more damp than any DPS we have ridden.

As Mr. Crab above mentioned, The Blister Gear review is spot on in its description.


I am surprised the VWK's have not garnered more real-skiing attention.

I think maybe because it being  A) a Volkl  B) its radical construction  C) uber-aesthetics .... combine to make it perceived as a "novelty ski"

Of course, at 112 waist it wouldn't be in the daily-driver category for most people, thus garnering more frequent chat/inquiry.


I have my 177 up for sale in Gear Swap not because I dislike, but because I would readily re-buy them longer.

I should have learned by now ( but didn't in my 177 purchase ) that any carbon ski can be purchased much longer as the swing weight is much lower.

Like the DPS , the VWK are so easy to throw around if one has to make a quick move.


- Andy

Edited by ARL67 - 3/25/15 at 4:22pm
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