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Ski jackets....insulated puffy vs. layering with shell

post #1 of 16
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hey everyone, first post!

 

I'm going to Telluride from 2/28 to 3/5 and would like some advice on gear.

 

I currently own, and plan to use on this trip, a Mtn Hardwear Kryos jacket as my outer shell, a Mtn hardwear Desna hooded technical fleece as a midlayer, and under armor heat cold gear as my baselayer.

 

However, my girlfriend is purchasing a new semi-puffy patagonia insulated jacket (rubicon rider) and it got me thinking that it might be nice to have a thick insulated one a super cold day so I would just have to wear maybe a long sleeve tee and the puffy, and thats it.

 

Which do you think is better?  I generally tend to be warm, but did get a little cold with my setup at Snowshoe and Snowmass on trips last year.  So, I've started to look at the Marmot Shadow insulated jacket.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 16

Why not just get a down sweater?  My usual setup is Patagonia R1 pullover, Patagonia down sweater and Patagonia Powder Bowl jacket(non-insulated).  I've been comfortable on some very cold days here in Montana using that.  There are lots of good quality down sweaters around; Patagonia, Outdoor Research, Marmot, Mountain Hardwear plus house brands from places like LL Bean and REI.

post #3 of 16

For the colder day's I wear my 200wt fleece under a insulated jacket.

Nromal day's I wear the 200wt fleece under the shell.

 

I'll increase the wt of the base or mid layer on colder day's too.

 

If you want to spend you money and the latest fad, those puffy things come and go.

 

Don't get them wet.

 

Think about how much room there is in your shell now. Is there room ?

post #4 of 16

Insulated puffy outer layers  tend to be less windproof than shells, unless we're talking mountaineering-grade insulated puffys.

 

How windy was it when you got cold at Snowshoe?    Telluride is likely to be colder and windier both.

 

 

Don't get them wet.

post #5 of 16

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that. We were talking about the lack of wind proofing in the puffy things on the lift rides over the weekend.

 

A buddy has one and mentioned that too.

 

Oh yea, did anyone say, don't get them get.

post #6 of 16

I can go either way - Arcteryx Fission (btw, Goretex and Polartech so wet isn't an issue), or alternately baselayer + Arcteryx Atom + Arc Shell.

 

For the past 4-5 winters I always go the layering route just because it's easy to decide what layers to wear to be most comfortable versus having a real heavy layer that might be too much for the conditions.

post #7 of 16

I recommend you go with your shell and add some additional layering options.  As mentioned, the down sweater (or vest) is very good on really cold days.  I have both the Patagonia down sweater and the vest.  Additionally, for merely cold days I use the Patagonia ultralight down shirt instead of the down sweater.  The addition of both a down sweater and a down shirt should prepare you for anything you encounter in southern Colorado.  And they compress for travel purposes. 

post #8 of 16

Uninsulated shell + variety of layers gives more options.

 

A good insulated/windproof shell is going to be more comfortable on very cold days, since you can get away with much less 'stuff' under it.

 

I tend to overheat while skiing unless it's brutally cold, so I lean towards uninsulated shells.

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 

I figured most would side with the shell and layering....that seems to be the smart way to go.  However, I cant seem to get out of my head the idea of a being toasty warm on a 14 degree day with only a long sleeve tee and an insulated puffy.

 

I dont know, i'm still thinking it over.  Either way I feel like I cant go twrong because I know what I currently have will work, especially with that new Desna mid layer I got which is sweet.  I love Mt Hardwear....every time I envision what I need one of their products almost always matches exactly what I want better than the other big names and at a decent price.  Cant go wrong.

 

Thanks for the advice!

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

Agreed, normally Telluride would blow Snowshoe away, but this particular weekdn last February was crazy.  It was like a high of 11 degrees, snowed a foot, and windy as hell.  Freezing cold on the lifts.

 

And when I left the next day on Sunday morning my car thermometer said 0.  

post #11 of 16
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Agreed, normally Telluride would blow Snowshoe away, but this particular weekdn last February was crazy.  It was like a high of 11 degrees, snowed a foot, and windy as hell.  Freezing cold on the lifts.

 

I reckon we're talking about the same weekend, just around Valentine's Day.  

 

 It was 10F at Timberline, and my gf was cursing her Spyder puffy because it was nowhere nearly as wind proof as her Vist/Bailo coat. 

post #12 of 16
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I reckon we're talking about the same weekend, just around Valentine's Day.  

 

 It was 10F at Timberline, and my gf was cursing her Spyder puffy because it was nowhere nearly as wind proof as her Vist/Bailo coat. 


 

Ha...yep!  sounds like the same weekend!  I was lucky to make it up the mountain on Friday evening, it was a blizzard by the time I got in around midnight. 

 

And....since you mentioned it, I'm going to Timberline on Pres Day weekend for the first time!  I know Snowshoe is thought of as the better place overall, but I'm kinda intrigued by Tline and I thin it may be far less crowded.

 

I'm really excited about Salamander....nice long run.

post #13 of 16

In dry climates like Colorado, I'm a big fan of a breathable softshell and an insulated hardshell (NOT a puffy layer like Patagonia Down Shirt).

 

The softshell is for warm sunny days. Typically warmer than 30 degrees and no real cloud layer. I prefer a non-membrane breathable softshell, like the Marmot Tempo Hoody (~10-15cfm), since your sweat and heat can easily escape when working hard, but it blocks just enough wind to keep you comfortable on the lift.

 

The insulated hardshell is for not-so-sunny or cold days, typically 30 degree highs and sunny is my limit. I like the Flylow BA Puffy. The insulated hardshell works better than the layering concept due to the fact that you can instantly bypass the insulation with pitzips and front zipper. Having a single baselayer on, underneath, means that venting cools you off almost instantly. This also works great for hikes, since you can easily strip down to a single baselayer (since you have no midlayer) by dropping the jacket.

 

The concept is basically taken from here:

http://www.telemarktips.com/RevPuffyLove.html

post #14 of 16

Take a look through this catalog. Lots of good pricing.

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/?afsrc=1&gclid=COrqqsrtn7UCFcyf4Aod9ikAHQ&codes-processed=true

 

 

I've been buying most of my layers from there for almost 20 years.

post #15 of 16

The Rubicon rider is nice.  insulated with synthetic - so no worries as with down.  It has pitzips so you can dump heat and it is warm - had one.  That said, I usually go with a shell and determine the midlayer based upon weather (sun or cloudy, temp, wind and humidity). That can mean anything from just a merino baselayer (Spring) to and an R1 with a down sweater midlayer covered by the shell.  You are headed to T-Ride where in my experience, 20 degrees there is warmer than 20 degrees in WV - humidity plays a role at least that in my theory.  Went to App Ski Mountain in NC the other weekend to try out some bootwork - it was 25 but also,80% humidity - I wore a Flylow Iceman Puffy and was a tad chilly - humidity.

 

long story short - shell + midlayers (depending on conditions) = most flexibility.

post #16 of 16
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Ha...yep!  sounds like the same weekend!  I was lucky to make it up the mountain on Friday evening, it was a blizzard by the time I got in around midnight.

 

Yeh.   I was macho/silly enough to try to go through Dolly Sods that night.    Operative word: 'try'.     

 

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And....since you mentioned it, I'm going to Timberline on Pres Day weekend for the first time!  I know Snowshoe is thought of as the better place overall, but I'm kinda intrigued by Tline and I thin it may be far less crowded.

 

I'm really excited about Salamander....nice long run.

 

You may want to talk to jimmy, JohnL and Ludovic on this board (or over on DCski).    Salamander is long, true.     Personally, I'd rather leave it to the condo-access crowd - it's flat enough that I can kick and glide up it on nordic skis, without herringboning.    And it gets a ton of daytime snowblower action, to keep condo access open.

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