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post #31 of 39

These are my everyday ski too and I find them very versatile. Great for all but the deepest or hardest days. I took off the system binder and put on a pivot 14. I like the way it skis much better. I didn't think about moving the mounting point back but, there is a standard mount point mark on the ski like a non-system ski has.

   I think they ski powder great, the only time I get in trouble with them is coming off a drop into deep snow, sometimes it gets buried a little. they also perform well on all but the most boiler plate ice but, that may be my shortcoming.

  I also had a good deal of work to do out of the wrapper, far from flat, razor sharp all around, and inconsistent bevels. Add full tune cost to prospective purchase price. Worth it I believe.

post #32 of 39
How much does the change from the system binding to the Look Pivot 14 reduce the overall ski weight?
post #33 of 39
I don't know the actual but, the "feel" is significant. I think it flexes better too.
post #34 of 39

Resurrecting this old thread, hoping someone can help me out. Apologies if this is bad forum etiquette, I don't post on forums very much.

 

I recently acquired a pair of Outland 87's (by reverse-inheritance from my teen-ager!) :-)

Ski length 165cm and the ski has the adjustable PX12 Fluid binding.

 

I have adjusted the boot location as far back as allowed by the PX12 Fluid, but it still looks and feels like the boot is too far forward on the ski. 

 

I am planning to remove the PX12 Fluid system binding and replace with Tyrolia Attack 13. 

 

Several testers have reported that following the adjustment instructions for the PX12 Fluid binding (using sole-length grid marks on the track) results in the boot being located too far forward, and have recommended moving boot back anywhere from 2 to 6 cm.

 

The Attack 13 binding are fixed-location bindings, no adjustment track, they are screwed into the ski, so I will be stuck with wherever the boot placement ends up being. So I have the following questions about installing the new bindings:

 

If I have the new binding mounted using the mount center point that is scribed on the ski, will the boot end up at the same location relative to the ski as if I had followed the adjustment instructions for the PX12 Fluid (using sole length grid marks on the track)? Or will the boot end up farther forward? Or farther back?

 

I see someone recommended using the "8" of 178 as the center point, but as I said these are 165's, so that won't work.

 

I guesss what I'm asking is, is this a case where the mount point marked on the ski actually is in the "correct" location, but the PX12 Fluid system adjustment limits prevent the boot from being moved back to the 'correct" location? Or is the mount point scribed on the ski actually farther forward compared to most other skis in this length range (specifically compared to same-length Rossignol Experience 88 "sister" ski)?

 

Thanks in advance for any guidance anyone can provide for my binding-swap project

post #35 of 39
I think the ski is correct as marked.
post #36 of 39

Thanks for your reply. I see you've done the same binding swap as I'm planning to do. Do you still have the skis and are you still liking them? 

In case you're wondering why I'm asking about these mount point details, it's because the work will be done "at a distance". I'm skiing Whistler in March, the skis are with a friend in Vancouver and I want the binding transplant done at a local shop before I get out there. So I don't have the skis in hand to take measurements myself.

Do you know if the mount point scribe mark on the skis is located exactly at ski mid-point? Like, if you take a tape measure from tip to tail (straight line measure), where does the scrbe mark sit relative to half-way point? Reason I ask is for comparison purposes - I was looking at some Rossi Smash skis at a local ski shop and they have a scribe mark labelled "mid-ski", another scribe mark 5cm back from mid-ski labelled "all mountain", and another scribe mark 7cm back from mid-ski labelled "free ride". I'm looking for best all-mountain mount point for my Outlands.

post #37 of 39

I dunno, I think you just pretend there never was a system binder on there and mount as marked.

post #38 of 39

Ski Moose, not sure if you are still looking but I posted a response to you on another thread.

 

To answer your question from this thread, yes the mounting point on the Dynastar looks further forward on the ski than other skis.

 

For example I have a pair of Head Rev at 171 length and the Outland at 172 length.  The mounting point on the Dynastar is about 5 CM forward of  that on Head.

 

But both the Head and the Dynstar work very well at the recommended points which is where I ski them.  But they are different skis and do ski somewhat differently as the Dynastars are 87 underfoot and the Heads are 105.

 

I also have the Dynastars in a 165 which I also ski at the recommended placement and like.  But it is a little different feeling due to the shorter length.

 

These are the ones with the green top sheet from about 4 years ago.  I did try moving the mounting point back 2 cm's as per some comments by another poster but I preferred the manufacturers point.

post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by twa2w View Post
 

Ski Moose, not sure if you are still looking but I posted a response to you on another thread.

 

To answer your question from this thread, yes the mounting point on the Dynastar looks further forward on the ski than other skis.

 

For example I have a pair of Head Rev at 171 length and the Outland at 172 length.  The mounting point on the Dynastar is about 5 CM forward of  that on Head.

 

But both the Head and the Dynstar work very well at the recommended points which is where I ski them.  But they are different skis and do ski somewhat differently as the Dynastars are 87 underfoot and the Heads are 105.

 

I also have the Dynastars in a 165 which I also ski at the recommended placement and like.  But it is a little different feeling due to the shorter length.

 

These are the ones with the green top sheet from about 4 years ago.  I did try moving the mounting point back 2 cm's as per some comments by another poster but I preferred the manufacturers point.

 

Let us know how it goes!

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