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Binding Fail - what the heck happened?

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BF and I were skiing at Sierra at Tahoe today.  He takes a tumble, comes up and his bindings are like this (see pictures).  It was the first run of the day, and he wasn't going fast and was in control.  He doesn't even know what caused him to fall.  Ski experts - would love it if you guys could take a look and tell us how the heck this happened.  Is this a normal type of binding break caused by a fall, or was there something wrong with it?  It was his first run on these skis (they're demos).  

 

Thanks! 

 

From the front:

 

 

Side: 

 

 

Closer up: 

 

 

This last is what it's supposed to look like - it's the other side of the binding: 

 

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I don't know what binding that is, but that's what my Salomon Z12ti looked like when the heel base plate cracked--a very common problem with the Z12ti. A cracked heel plate is not due to abuse or a particularly bad fall.  It develops over time until the crack is bad enough for the screws to come loose.  I hope he wasn't charged for the damage--he should have at least gotten a free demo for the day--or a free demo another day if he rented them off the hill and the bad ski blew his day.  I don't think the binding failure caused the fall--I don't think the brake could come down while his boot was in the ski, but I could be wrong about that--would have to see what it looked like with the boot in the binding.

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Ah I forgot to say what bindings they are.  They're the Salomon Z12s (mounted on the Lord).  We didn't get them on the hill - rather, from a ski shop closer to home where he's considering purchasing (and using the demo credit towards the purchase).  We head back tomorrow and will return the skis then, so hopefully he doesn't get charged for the damage.  It did kill a chunk of his afternoon waiting for the ski patrol to get him, taking them back to the car, and then swapping out (thank goodness he had brought two pairs to demo!).  


Thanks for the info.  I didn't know that was a common problem with the Z12.  I'm just glad he wasn't hurt in the fall.  It did shake his confidence though - he's an intermediate skier and had a great day yesterday on the Rossi Experience 83, so it's really too bad that today ended with that fall.  

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The only way that brake failure could happen is not mounting the locking tabs in place before tightening the lock screw down.
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That failure is common, I've had about three of those, not just the Z series but the 812 or 914 (?) series. I think the cracking aluminum heel track is yet a separate problem, and I've had a few of those also. Salomon aluminum and Salomon brakes of those models are pretty poor, IMO.  It's very easy to screw that brake on without securing the bar in the groove, and then it self destructs when used.

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Originally Posted by Denny1969 View Post

The only way that brake failure could happen is not mounting the locking tabs in place before tightening the lock screw down.

The brake locking screw is threaded into a hole in the base plate.  When the base plate cracks the screw comes loose and the brake comes off, as pictured. I found one brake in the parking lot.  Went to the shop where I bought the skis and binding--they had no part but were happy to order the part for next season, or sell me a new binding. (Still under warranty).  Went to another shop and bought the last base plate they had.  Ordered one to replace the other side--got it the following year and when I took the binding apart found the second base plate was cracked as well. So many of these were cracking that Salomon ran out of spare parts. The shop should definitely not charge you and I'd say you're entitled to a refund of your demos (both of them) plus the demo discount off the sale price if you wind up buying from them. And if they give you a hard time you should have not trouble disputing the charge with this thread and your picture as evidence, and you certainly wouldn't buy from them. After all I predicted what kind of binding it was. 

post #7 of 7
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Thanks for the advice and insight, everyone! 

 

The guy at the shop said it didn't seem to be mounted correctly :-\ He did refund the demo fee, though it was a moot point as BF ended up buying skis there anyway and his demo fees apply toward the purchase.  He ended up getting the Experience 83 (but NOT with the Z12 binding - he got the Rossi Axial 100).  

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