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post #91 of 118
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Originally Posted by swisstrader View Post

...are you equally opposed to the government's stance on drugs? 

 

Not only Yes, but I would prefer the gov't arm the crack, smack, and meth users with full-auto assault weapons!  Just think how exciting walking your dog in the city would be!!!  icon14.gif

 

I have a question for you now.  

You're skiing down the hill when you notice another skier without a helmet standing alongside...no...in the middle of the trail.  Outraged, you turn to chastise the ne'er-do-well for his irresponsible recklessness.  While doing so, you stop watching where you're going and plunge off a 100' cliff, breaking both legs into 927 pieces.  Ski Patrol arrives quicker than you can say "Get a helmet on , Loser!", and horror of horrors, none of the hypocritical bad examples are wearing helmets!  mad.gif

 

So, do you stand by your convictions and refuse their aid, lest your association with them imply any sort of approval of their disgraceful shunning of helmets?

OR...do you let it go this one time and accept their aid?  If you do, isn't there a term for one who disapproves of another, yet accepts some sort of benefit from that person?  

Lessee, what is it....hypnotic?  No...uh, hypodermic?  No, no, it's...uh...hypochondriac?  No, no, no, that's not it!  Oh well, it'll come to me.... 

post #92 of 118
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

With seat belts, ultimately we're forcing people to do something that will prevent us from having to support their FUBAR vegetable carcus for 40 years thanks to their bad luck and lack of precaution. 

 

Oooh, how about mandating people also wear helmets in the car?  Low cost and added safety!

post #93 of 118

The way I drive 

 

It probably should be required biggrin.gif

post #94 of 118
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

 

Oooh, how about mandating people also wear helmets in the car?  Low cost and added safety!


or they could just require this and make cars that start at $100,000....

post #95 of 118

THANKYOU EVERYONE, haven't laughed so much since the last helmet thread.   Sorry I can't tell ya all if I wear a helmet I am WAY too busy chasing Windmills that are located in knee deep powder fields.

 

 

1000

 

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From Alaska to No. Idaho there are many windmills.

post #96 of 118
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

1000

 

From Alaska to No. Idaho there are many windmills.

 

Is that^ Iliamna on the west side of Cook Inlet? 

post #97 of 118

Yep, taken from shore while waiting to go Halibut fishing in August.  

post #98 of 118
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

Yep, taken from shore while waiting to go Halibut fishing in August.  

 

I gazed at that mountain quite a bit during my years in AK.

post #99 of 118
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

Yep, taken from shore while waiting to go Halibut fishing in August.  

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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

I gazed at that mountain quite a bit during my years in AK.

 

It appears you guys have ruined a perfectly good helmet thread with...with...with substance!  Nice going.  mad.gif  

I hope you're pleased with yourselves...

 

BTW...Pete, I can only speak for myself, of course, but...You're Welcome!

post #100 of 118

1.  I'm a patroller (again).

2.  I've worn a helmet EVERY DAY I'VE SKIED since 1998 - MY choice.  The only time I've felt I really needed it was a time I tagged a low-hanging tree branch.  

3.  I don't support mandatory helmet use for anyone, anywhere.  One exception - terrain parks.

4.  I am very weary of govt "nanny" intervention in every aspect of our lives.

5.  If you don't want to wear a helmet, fine, your choice, but I invite everyone to read a little about Natasha Richardson and Sarah Burke.  

6.  Showers are statistically more dangerous.

7.  I have yet to see a study that proves they make skiing "safer".  

post #101 of 118

I think Sarah Burke was wearing a helmet... pretty sure matter of fact, but feel to correct me if I'm wrong.

post #102 of 118
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I think Sarah Burke was wearing a helmet... pretty sure matter of fact, but feel to correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, Burke was wearing a helmet
post #103 of 118
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

I think I'm going to start a thread that somehow combines the question of helmet necessity with that of gun control.
It should help me exceed even Treckchick's post-count within a few months!!!  biggrin.gif

We should ban all assault helmets.
post #104 of 118
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post

7.  I have yet to see a study that proves they make skiing "safer".  

Not exactly proof that they make skiing safer, but the article below discusses research that suggests that helmets don't make it less safe, which is one of two principal arguments people seem to make against helmet use (the other is a more general libertarian, "freedom," get the government out of my life argument).  Feel free to critique my logic, but if wearing a helmet doesn't make you less safe (by encouraging you take more risks or by impairing your hearing or vision), and it can protect a fairly important part of your body from certain types of potentially catastrophic trauma, then wearing a helmet seems like a "no brainer" to me. 

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/wear-a-helmet-when-hitting-the-slopes/

 

Whether all people, or certain groups of people, should be required to wear a helmet is a separate question that will get resolved at some point in time, but only after the Republicans and Democrats in the House celebrate their compromise in resolving the country's problems with a nice Kumbaya sing-along. 

post #105 of 118
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Originally Posted by fuzinboston View Post


We should ban all assault helmets.


Shall not be infringed!

 

post #106 of 118
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Originally Posted by ADKS View Post

...wearing a helmet seems like a "no brainer" to me. 

 

Ha-Ha, that's a knee-slapper!

 

I have no doubt whatsoever that helmets do make skiing at least a tad safer.  That's just common sense to me.  

If nothing else, they would be good at protecting one's noggin from wayward branches while tree-skiing, from a safety bar unexpectedly coming down, ski tips on a suddenly turning oblivious person carrying them on his/her shoulder, possibly in a collision with another skier, and I'm sure in numerous other ways as well.

 

I just get my pretty pink panties in a wad when people tell me that I or other unimpaired adults should be required to wear one...even if the unimpaired adult is a Patroller.  I would never criticize anyone for wearing one, and I don't expect helmet aficionados to criticize me or any other adult for not wearing one.  So, I guess that's the libertarian live-and-let-live side of my sparkling personality coming to the fore.

 

I do have a theory why some people insist that others wear helmets, though.  You guys wanna hear it?  Alright, I knew ya would!  smile.gif

Ahem...I suspect that the busybodies that insist on trying to impose their own practice of wearing a helmet onto others are, on some level, self-conscious about wearing one themselves.  They may not even be consciously aware of their deeply repressed helmet-use insecurity.  Anyhoo, for these people, the more other people wear helmets, the more that particular insecurity dissipates, and the better the self-conscious helmet-wearer feels about his/her own decision to don a helmet.

 

Damn, I knew that Psych-101 I took years and years ago would finally come in handy for something one day!

post #107 of 118
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post


I do have a theory why some people insist that others wear helmets, though.  You guys wanna hear it?  Alright, I knew ya would!  smile.gif
Ahem...I suspect that the busybodies that insist on trying to impose their own practice of wearing a helmet onto others are, on some level, self-conscious about wearing one themselves.  They may not even be consciously aware of their deeply repressed helmet-use insecurity.  Anyhoo, for these people, the more other people wear helmets, the more that particular insecurity dissipates, and the better the self-conscious helmet-wearer feels about his/her own decision to don a helmet.

I think dementia has officially set in.
post #108 of 118
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Originally Posted by swisstrader View Post

I think dementia has officially set in.

 

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Swissie. nonono2.gif  Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step toward resolving it, ya know.  (That's Psych-102, I believe wink.gif)   

BTW, may I call you Swissie?  I feel we've bonded like brothers, like...like battle-brothers...the battle over Ski Patrol wearing helmets.

 

That's not to say you're not onto something with the early-onset dementia thing, though...  frown.gif

post #109 of 118
Bang your noggin' one too many times....
post #110 of 118

What is that thing??

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post


Shall not be infringed!

 

 

 

Now I'm proud to say that this inflatable helmet thing below was posted here last year in another of our scintillating helmet threads.

So, ski patrollers, you can wear a scarf that's really a helmet, thus preserving your (insert psych 102 quotes here). Even comes in a fur model. I'd imagine they could make the scarf look very Patrolish - maybe even put some loops and a carabiner on it. (No guns - it's Swedish)

 

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The Ridiculous High-Concept Inflatable Bike Helmet Is Finally Buyable

 Leslie Horn , Gizmodo

http://gizmodo.com/5949067/the-ridiculous-high+concept-inflatable-bike-helmet-is-finally-buyable

The ridiculous part is that it was designed by two women at the Faculty of Engineering at Lund University in Sweden who said they "wouldn't be seen dead in a polystyrene helmet." So, they went with this? Fashion makes no sense. But it's not just a statement—it actually keeps your brain safe. Accelerometers and gyrometers can tell whether you're just riding or you're actually in an accident, and when they sense an abnormal movement, a inflator pumps helium into the crazy thing, making a soft airbag for your sweet, fragile brain. It's powered by an onboard battery that's charged through a micro USB port.

 

The video clip off Gizmodo is priceless for it's absurdity, but I give you a slightly longer one that's a little more "fair and balanced". ( I couldn't get it off that site or I would include it to be extra balanced)

 

itnnews                                                                                                 http://youtu.be/0XCPNRnkbpg

post #111 of 118
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Originally Posted by ADKS View Post

Bang your noggin' one too many times....

+1 to that...I think the poor guy has gone off some sort of mental cliff, with or without his helmet on, one too many times!
post #112 of 118
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I think Sarah Burke was wearing a helmet... pretty sure matter of fact, but feel to correct me if I'm wrong.

She was.  Low speed accident.  Helmet didn't necessarily help in this situation.  No inverted super-Ollie-cork-misty thing...she just tipped over, and had a freak accident that tore a blood vessel.  Just pointing out that it isn't always a high-speed gate crasher or cliff hucker that this happens to.  Or a congressman.

post #113 of 118
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post

She was.  Low speed accident.  Helmet didn't necessarily help in this situation.  No inverted super-Ollie-cork-misty thing...she just tipped over, and had a freak accident that tore a blood vessel.  Just pointing out that it isn't always a high-speed gate crasher or cliff hucker that this happens to.  Or a congressman.


I think you're thinking of Natasha Richardson that just slipped and fell standing still when she sustained her fatal hematoma.  And she was NOT wearing a helmet at the time.

 

According to all reports I find, Burke was skiing in the pipe and doing tricks at the time she crashed, but it was at the bottom of the transition, not a fall from an air that killed her...

 

 

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Sarah Burke

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Onlookers reported that Burke had completed a trick fairly well yet fell onto her head, and the accident did not appear to be very severe.[13] Moments later, however, she went into cardiac arrest while still on the ski slope,[14] making her chance of survival extremely low
 
 
 
post #114 of 118

I know how they died.  Bad point evidently.  Jeez us.  

 

Key thing - neither "seemed" severe.  They both died.  Natasha wasn't wearing a helmet; Burke was.  Helmets don't protect you all the time, so a false sense of security from requiring it?  Do they really help?  Not every time.  

 

the illustration here - one with, one without, both seemingly minor, both dead.

post #115 of 118

a helmet would make it more difficult to hear a radio call or someone saying "SP where's the lift"...

post #116 of 118
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Originally Posted by Freestyle1975 View Post

a helmet would make it more difficult to hear a radio call or someone saying "SP where's the lift"...


No, it wouldn't.

post #117 of 118

As a former resident of the Kenai Peninsula and a daughter of a fisherman Cook Inlet fisherman. I can tell you that is REDOUBT volcano and not iliamna. You can tell them apart because Iliamna has 3 smaller peaks next to it. I know I had trouble keeping them straight too until I learned that little trick.

post #118 of 118
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Originally Posted by blossomqt View Post
 

As a former resident of the Kenai Peninsula and a daughter of a fisherman Cook Inlet fisherman. I can tell you that is REDOUBT volcano and not iliamna. You can tell them apart because Iliamna has 3 smaller peaks next to it. I know I had trouble keeping them straight too until I learned that little trick.

 

I've no doubt that you're right.  It's been many years since I was on the Kenai. 

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