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Volkl Racetiger Speedwall SL

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Anyone have thoughts/feedback/experience about using the ski outside the gates? I like the stability and the responsiveness in short and medium turns. It's a volkl sl ski so I'm acutely aware of both it's strengths and weaknesses. Used to ski the earlier models and loved the stability and grip here in the east.

Am looking for a solid short/medium turning ski. I ski smaller hills and need to maximize the available realestate. Tried the RTM 84 and 80 but they fell sluggish in the fall line. My analysis of The Code was similar except this ski had characteristics similar to the GS and requires ample room to run. Used some K2 recently and am unimpressed with the direction K2 has gone. Am interested in Rossi Persuit but have a haunting suspicision that line would be ideal/great for those lucky enough to have some room. I keep returning to the 170 volkl racetiger but am open to suggestions.
post #2 of 29

They're awesome, best carvers I've ever skied.  It's not a stock race ski so it's just mellow enough be pretty versatile, great in short and medium turns.  Obviously it's best on groomed and hardback, though it does just fine in bumps.  In powder/3D snow or spring glop you'll want something wider and softer.  Great ski for any East Coast hill, especially a smaller one.

 

I have not been using them in the gates, had to bail on my Beer League.

post #3 of 29
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Granted that it does not have the cracked edges like skis of 'yore, but would you go as far to say that it's a "soft slalom" ski?  I realize that this is a dangerous description but with the race-stock available to the public and the absence of this category would be it fair to categorize the ski as such?   I looked at your previous posts and enjoyed reading the one on "short turning skis."  Very good info.      

post #4 of 29

Some race stock skis are softer than the consumer models.

post #5 of 29

I've never been on a race stock ski.  But I only weigh 145 lbs, and I assumed stock skis were too stiff for me.  Plus, I wanted 160 cms, not an option in the race stock skis.

post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 

 I'm 188, 5'11, and most important technically proficient so I feel pretty confident that I can flex the Racetiger in a 165-70 (ideally 170). I don't subscribe to the school that a skier needs a lot of arrows in the quiver.  While it clearly depends where you ski, all east coast for now (even worse mostly mid-atlantic) I believe that a skier should be able to take one ski and make it work everywhere (excluding boards with aggressive layer of metal).      

 

I see that you're up in western mass.  What are you on and what is your local hill? What is the best short turn ski you've owned, or been on?  What would you recommend?

 

Again, thanks.  

post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 

Some race stock skis are softer than the consumer models.

 

Why is this?  

post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by wallyk View Post

Some race stock skis are softer than the consumer models.

 

Why is this?  

The softest skis that will adhere to the race line are often fastest.

Soft skis require finesse or you will overpower them.

Race Stock Atomics can be ordered in three different flex configurations.

A World Cupper probably starts the testing season with 20-30 pairs that differ primarily in flex pattern.

I have a pair of womens race stock Atomic GS skis from 2009 that have early rise and are so soft they make my Volkl Racetigers look like I beams.

When I can get them through a GS course cleanly thay are quite a bit faster than the Volkls.

The Volkls have a strong tip that can dig and cost speed, the Atomics ski underfoot without extra drag.

post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by wallyk View Post

I see that you're up in western mass.  What are you on and what is your local hill? What is the best short turn ski you've owned, or been on?  What would you recommend?

 

Again, thanks.  

 

I ski the Speedwalls most days and Kastle FX 94s for newer snow or spring conditions.  The Kastle is my 1 ski quiver for western trips.  I agree that most skis will do fine in a large variety of conditions, which is not necessarily the majority view on Epicski.  But it is true that skis keep getting more specialized.  

 

I usually ski Berkshire East and Killington. I like the Speedwalls best of all the short turn skis I've tried, and the Blizzard Supersonics second.  I haven't tried a great number of skis like some members here have, especially those in the industry.  They may have a deeper list of skis for comparison.                                                                                                                                                                                                            

post #10 of 29
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Thanks for taking time to view and the explanation. Thats is a very interesting answer. I never knew that about race stock skis.
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

 

I ski the Speedwalls most days and Kastle FX 94s for newer snow or spring conditions.  The Kastle is my 1 ski quiver for western trips.  I agree that most skis will do fine in a large variety of conditions, which is not necessarily the majority view on Epicski.  But it is true that skis keep getting more specialized.  

 

I usually ski Berkshire East and Killington. I like the Speedwalls best of all the short turn skis I've tried, and the Blizzard Supersonics second.  I haven't tried a great number of skis like some members here have, especially those in the industry.  They may have a deeper list of skis for comparison.                                                                                                                                                                                                            

Great answer and thanks for the advice/comments.  Berkshire East is a great little area.  I appreciate your communicating that information.  Being able to relate to another members actual experience with a product enhances the value of the comments and the community.  Now that I have better clarity where you ski, and what your style is while skiing there, it makes a HUGE difference when assessing and analyzing a product.      

 

I'm primarily down at Camelback and Mount Snow.  Just ordered the 165's over the weekend and can't wait to hammer on them.  Skiing a properly tuned volkl on hardpack is a pleasure.  Those skis truly "corner like [they] are on rails".

 

Again, thanks for the time.

post #12 of 29
How did the RaceTiger SLs turn out for you? Just curious as I got mine very recently after the season end. Rmotion bindings seem flimsy. Have you had any pre-release issues? The base structure looks coarse and it's absorbing a lot of wax. I put three thick coats of ch10 wax and it looks like it can take some more.
Edited by nochaser - 6/6/13 at 9:07pm
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

How did the RaceTiger SLs turn out for you? Just curious as I got mine very recently after the season end. Rmotion bindings seem flimsy. Have you had any pre-release issues? The base structure looks coarse and it's absorbing a lot of wax. I put three thick coats of ch10 wax and it looks like it can take some more.

is the rmotion equivalent to the piston plate system?
the bindings should be comps right?
why do they feel flimsy?

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

is the rmotion equivalent to the piston plate system?
the bindings should be comps right?
why do they feel flimsy?

 

Rmotion and piston plate are far from the same. Rmotion is a proprietary consumer plate/binding comb that is directly connected to the ski via a rail system. The piston plates are drilled onto a flat ski (a ski that can take any type of binding/plate system). The bindings are generally 12s or 14s on the consumer models, which are plastic bodied, unlike the metal 16s, 20s, and 30s.

post #15 of 29

RTTT thank you,
So is it possible to switch the bindings to the 16/20? that might help with the feeling...

post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

RTTT thank you,
So is it possible to switch the bindings to the 16/20? that might help with the feeling...

 

You can't really swap out the bindings on this type of platform, unless you know exactly what you are doing. If you look closely at the bindings on the speedwalls, there are no screw holes on the front toes. The only way to swap out the bindings to a 16 or 20 (which are only made EPS style, not rMotion) is to take just the binding off the ski, not the housing that connects the binding to the ski. I have done it before on a pair of Tigersharks with the iPT system, but it was a major pain in the ass, really not worth it. Just stick with the bindings on the skis, they should be more than good enough for freeskiing (which is what these skis are designed for). If you are really concerned about the bindings, just go for the RS/WC skis. You can mount whatever you want on those.

post #17 of 29

     FWIW, the Racetiger 165 stock ski with a 14mm piston plate is a VERY good ski...no sense in messin' with the consumer version, imo.

 

 

    zenny

post #18 of 29
My WC RT SLs came with 16/14mm plates. I thought that was kind of odd as Marker markets 11/9s as SL plates and 16/14s as GS. I have both WC and non-WC RT SLs.
post #19 of 29

Umh no, the SL one is the higher of the two at 14mm so your skis have the correct one.

post #20 of 29
^^^^what jzamp said wink.gif

zenny
post #21 of 29
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Edited by nochaser - 1/19/14 at 7:58pm
post #22 of 29

so you have both race stock and consumer models? may I ask why?

And I believe all race stock skis come with a structure, but don't quote me on that. It might depend on the "level" of race stock...

-edit-
apparently Volkls don't come with a structure.


Edited by jzamp - 6/8/13 at 5:55pm
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

Did your WC SLs come with structure in the bases?

Can't wait to take these bad boys out.

   No...Volkl wc's come without structure (well, there is a very fine, cold, dry snow pattern on them) or bevels. Your wc's have a 0/90...which is actually pretty sweet!! A lot of manufacturers are still imparting a 1* base edge bevel on their stock sl's, which is moronic IMO. You WILL have to set your bevels before you ski them. They are beauts, aren't they?? biggrin.gif  You may find you don't want your consumer versions after skiing the stocks...just sayin'.

 

    zenny

post #24 of 29
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Edited by nochaser - 1/19/14 at 7:58pm
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

Yes I like them, although, from up close, the top sheet looks like a big manufacturing mistake. I like the 2011 version the best cosmetically. Is that what you have?

I wanted a pair of WC SLs in 165 for running gates to compliment the 155 WC SLs I have. I demoed and absolutely loved the 2014 Stöckli non-FIS SL so I knew I also wanted softer more forgiving SLs in my quiver. Plus, I found 65%+ discount deals.

   No...I have the 2012's which you just bought. Prettier than the '11s, IMHO...biggrin.gif

 

   zenny

post #26 of 29
Nice - how do you like your WC RT SLs in comparison to your other SLs?
post #27 of 29

   They have excellent edge-grip on the hard stuff icon14.gif and at the same time provide a "zesty" feel...best of both worlds! smile.gif

 

     zenny

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

so you have both race stock and consumer models? may I ask why?

I just wanted to experience them both--most of my skis were FIS/WC stocks at the time.

Sorry took a while to respond. I just came across the question.
post #29 of 29

Is anyone familiar with this version?

2012 Volkl Racetiger SC PSI

The slalom version of Racetiger PSi.  Full Power Grip System

I've seen them in Germany and they were on the Volkl site last year.

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