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Rash/Swelling + Liner Problem

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Sorry to gross you out, but.... I bought a pair of Dalbello Axion 10 boots with ZipFit liners. They fit great. But the problem is that every time I wear them I get a rash on my ankles and they swell right up. All my previous boots have had the standard liner and Ihave had no problem. Seems to be something to do with v.sweaty feet + dry skin + maybe circulation issues.
Has anyone else had these problems with ZipFit liners?
Can anyone recommend any other liners for the boots?
Which liners might be less hot? (I seem to have the opposite temperature problem to most people!)
Thanks
post #2 of 15

Welcome to EpicSki.  Sorry about the troubles with your liners.  What kind of socks are you wearing?  Do you change them around midday?

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
I started with some ultra thin socks that were recommended by the store I bought the ZipFit liners from. I've been using thicker socks since which is better, but I've tried various different socks. I haven't changed them at midday day yet but I did wonder if that might help.
post #4 of 15

dumb question, are you sure it is a rash and not chaffing from the ankle moving in the liner?  Seems interesting that a thicker sock helped.

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
It's definately a rash. I think the thing is that thicker socks are better because they soak up the sweat more. I think the problem is something to do with what the liners are made of causing a problem combined with the sweat/the liners just making my feet too hot. Which is why I'm trying to see if anyone out there knows anything about alternative liners that may be cooler. (I believe that the padding in ZipFit liners is made of some kind if cork + oil mix rather than foam.)
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by CanBritSki View Post

I haven't changed them at midday day yet but I did wonder if that might help.

 

What is the material in the socks?  That can make a big difference.  I change into dry socks whenever it is I take my lunch break.  I'm always amazed at how damp they are.  Putting on a pair of nice dry socks at midday is a treat.  Try it.  It might solve your trouble and certainly won't hurt.  If your feet are really sweating a lot it will also give your skin a chance to dry out.


Edited by mtcyclist - 1/28/13 at 7:28pm
post #7 of 15

Sounds like it might just be sweat rash - as in: the ZipFits are both closer-fitted and also simply don't absorb as much as your usual liners so the sweat stays on your skin.

 

I say 'just' but sweat rashes can be complicated by yeasts and bacteria, requiring antifungal/antibacterial creams.  'Daktacort' comes to mind here.

post #8 of 15

Zipfits are known to run warm (so much so that they're often recommended as a solution for cold boots!)

 

You're not the only person with this problem -- I always overheat on warm days, including my feet.

 

Definitely make sure you have wool or synthetic (usually polypropylene) socks, and change 'em at lunch if they are wet.  Wet+friction will be no fun.

 

Some people also use spray-on antiperspirant on their feet.  If you're sure it is sweating that is the problem, that's easy and cheap to try too.

 

If you feel like circulation is being cut off it's also possible the liner didn't form well to your foot/leg.  You could ask the shop about having it reheated and molded again.  One thing you can do is to wear thicker socks or two pairs of socks while they mold the liner, so it won't be as tight when you're just wearing one pair of thin socks.

post #9 of 15

Is there neoprene in the socks or liners? Maybe an allergic reaction.

 It would also explain the excessive sweating. Just a guess, eh.

post #10 of 15
Came across this thread in my search... I too am having similar problems like OP except in my case, I have Intuition PowerWrap liners instead of ZipFits. I wear SK2 from Falke for socks. Usually, after a day of skiing when I take my socks off, I feel like I lose a whole layer of skin with the socks - it gets really itchy with my legs and when I scratch them, a layer of skin comes off. Otherwise, my boots are fitting well - great shell fit, liner supportive. The problem really comes when I ski more than 2-3 days consecutively. Then I start to get red rashes at the front of my ankles. They are like little "bumps" on the skin and itch a lot. Sorry for the not so nice picture, but just wondering if anyone else has similar problem or if anyone has found a solution smile.gif
post #11 of 15

This year I have ZipFits for the first time.  I have never had such wetness in my socks and on the liners at the end of the day.  

I expect I am sweating as in the past, but the liners themselves are not absorbing any of that sweat.

It stays on the surface of the liner and/or gets soaked up by my socks.  Thankfully, I am not suffering from any rash.

 

My conclusion is that ZipFits sure handle the foot-sweat differently from stock liners. 

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by skiprincess View Post

Came across this thread in my search... I too am having similar problems like OP except in my case, I have Intuition PowerWrap liners instead of ZipFits. I wear SK2 from Falke for socks. Usually, after a day of skiing when I take my socks off, I feel like I lose a whole layer of skin with the socks - it gets really itchy with my legs and when I scratch them, a layer of skin comes off. Otherwise, my boots are fitting well - great shell fit, liner supportive. The problem really comes when I ski more than 2-3 days consecutively. Then I start to get red rashes at the front of my ankles. They are like little "bumps" on the skin and itch a lot. Sorry for the not so nice picture, but just wondering if anyone else has similar problem or if anyone has found a solution smile.gif

That looks like a place where you foot has been rubbing against the liner, and then scratched. I assume since you've read this thread you've already tried changing socks midday if your socks are damp, or at least airing your feet at lunch. I also assume you didn't have this problem with the same socks in different boots or at least a different liner. Intuitions are waterproof so feet do get sweatier in them. (I don't know about zipfits.) Whatever the cause the first thing to do is to stop scratching, which won't be easy. Scratching sets up a vicious cycle--when you scratch you cause changes in the skin that cause more itching>more scratching>more itching. A brief use of an over-the-counter steroid cream or ointment may help break the cycle, but you still have to figure out the root cause. 

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by skiprincess View Post

Came across this thread in my search... I too am having similar problems like OP except in my case, I have Intuition PowerWrap liners instead of ZipFits. I wear SK2 from Falke for socks. Usually, after a day of skiing when I take my socks off, I feel like I lose a whole layer of skin with the socks - it gets really itchy with my legs and when I scratch them, a layer of skin comes off. Otherwise, my boots are fitting well - great shell fit, liner supportive. The problem really comes when I ski more than 2-3 days consecutively. Then I start to get red rashes at the front of my ankles. They are like little "bumps" on the skin and itch a lot. Sorry for the not so nice picture, but just wondering if anyone else has similar problem or if anyone has found a solution smile.gif


This may be a yeast infection.  The clue is the itchiness you feel.  The evil buggers may be living in the Intuition liner, and attacking your leg.  Pull the liners out of your boots and (yuk factor here) give them the sniff test.  Do they smell odd in any way?  If so, yeast may be at fault.  Another test:  you can buy hydrogen peroxide at your local pharmacy in a squirt bottle for not much money.  Squirt some of that hydrogen peroxide onto the liner; if it fizzes, there's something alive on/in that liner that needs to be gotten rid of.  If that's the case, maybe Intuition can help.  I find hydrogen peroxide to be pretty good at killing this kind of stuff, but who knows what you've got growing in there.


Edited by LiquidFeet - 1/8/17 at 5:42pm
post #14 of 15

yeast infection seems very unlikely. the rash is a classic excoriation (scratching) rash, most likely from rubbing between the foot and the sock. Any form of irritation will cause itching. I think having a fitter check the fit might be the best solution--can try the peroxide--it probably won't help the rash but the fitter might appreciate it if the liners don't smell, although I imagine they're pretty much immune to the smell.

post #15 of 15

Yes looks like it is most likely caused by sweat since Intuition Liners are waterproof they don't absorb your sweat.  Might be a good idea to wash your liners with some antibacterial soap and rinse.  Then make sure to allow your liners to dry completely before wearing again.  Using an athletic foot powder could also help your situation a bit.  Just remember don't scratch as it will make it much worse even though that can be quite difficult...  Maybe try putting some aloe vera on your skin to soothe the itch to help you not itch the area.

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