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Yesterday, we had hard skier packed, skating rink in some areas, chalk on the edge of the runs and sun warmed softness in the afternoon.   After reading this thread I decided to try the Apex on the line instead of 1.5 back.  It definitely shortened up the radius and made the skis more playful.   I liked it a lot and will probably use that setting for those types of conditions.  I also want to try them in the powder with that mounting point just as a comparison.  I'm thinking in softer stuff I'll leave at -1.5 but on hard pack on the line is the ticket.  

 

glad I could help indirectly.

 

I actually put a look binding w/ no movement on mine in the end. I find i second guess mounting too much if I'm tweaking too much, so I leave it on the line and make adjustments to technique.

 

cheers,

holiday

post #32 of 40

Nice to read all the comments on the Amphibio 88xti. I had never paid much attention to Elan skis until this past weekend when I demoed a pair at Grouse Mountain near Vancouver, BC. I'm an intermediate type skier who sticks mostly to blue runs, so technically the 88xti is way above my skill level, but man did I have a blast on those things! I was smoking down my familiar blue runs at just about twice my usual moderate pace and feeling in total control the whole time. For a powerful high end ski the 88xti is surprisingly easy to handle, forgiving, stable, a real confidence builder. I was on the 170cm length and found it carved nicely on the groomers, although not a "turn, turn, turn" type of ski. The 88xti does well in soft, cut-up snow where the stiffer flex allows it to motor over and through the uneven snow. Everywhere I went, the 88xti had a kind of "on rails" feeling but without the sensation of being locked into the turn. I know I probably wasn't even close to accessing the performance of the 88xti, but for me it was a fun afternoon of motoring around Grouse Mountain. The Elan tech told me they will have samples of the new Spectrum series available for demoing in March. I have the date marked on my calendar, looking forward with anticipation to trying out next season's crop of Elan skis.  

post #33 of 40

My two cents on the subject of  "Why doesn't Elan sell better?" From what I have seen, I would say it's basically a matter of poor marketing. Grouse Mountain near North Vancouver uses Elan skis exclusively for it's rental fleet and offers the latest Elan models for rent, but nowhere on the resort's website will you find anything about Elan skis. The website uses the generic term "High Performance" to describe any ski that isn't your standard beginner-to-intermediate ski. This doesn't help the skier who wants info on what is available before heading up to the mountain. Even the rental staff seem to be clueless as to what they have in stock. Cypress Mountain, also near North Vancouver, takes a more active approach to marketing their rental skis. A good selection of the latest models from Salomon, Head and Rossigniol are available for rent and each one is described in detail on the resort's website. Also, Elan seems to make a half-hearted effort when it comes to demoing their skis. At a recent Elan demo day at Grouse, there was a total of four ski models available, two for the ladies and two for the gents. For the men, there was the Amphibio 82xti and the Amphibio 88xti, nothing more. Both great skis, but why so few? I don't have the answer as to why Elan is so poorly represented in the local ski market. Is it a problem with the resorts, is it because Elan sales reps don't push hard enough to get more exposure, or are people just getting tired of Elan's aging frontman Glen Plake? It seems odd that just about every other major ski brand has a stronger presence in the market than Elan. There is certainly nothing wrong with their skis. 

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glad I could help indirectly.

 

I actually put a look binding w/ no movement on mine in the end. I find i second guess mounting too much if I'm tweaking too much, so I leave it on the line and make adjustments to technique.

 

cheers,

holiday

 

It was a good trial run of 3 days for on the line boot position, everything from skating rink to boot top somewhat heavy but not our typical cement snow.   Today I just wasn't feeling it so I went back to -2 by accident as I was in a hurry to catch my son down the front side.  It felt like I was back where I needed to be.  I moved to -1.5 and bingo I was on my own personal sweet spot again.  I love these ski's and they are my daily drivers and the first ones I grab when the conditions are unknown.    Unless there is a big dump I just throw the apex in the truck and go with it.  Beautiful day at Xtal today!

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Edited by RodPNW - 2/15/13 at 5:16pm
post #36 of 40

I was out on a rental set of the Apex last weekend. Very stable, basically okay for my intermediate skill level. I would like to know if there is much difference between the Apex and the current model of the 888 ALU. I saw a comment from dawgcatching that said the new 888 is a bit softer with mild tip and tail rocker. Presently looking for a set of 888's to demo. If they were just a touch easier to handle than the Apex, this would be the ski for me.   

post #37 of 40

AFAIK the Apex's and the 2013 888 are exactly the same.  The pre Apex 888 didn't have the slight tip rocker.  I wouldn't say there is a tail rocker of any amount.  They are a little easier if your boot position is on the line but they still don't have a lot of side cut so that may be what you are sensing in terms of difficulty.   Even though they aren't stiff or have a lot of camber they still like to be driven.  Absolutely awesome ski if it fits your style.

post #38 of 40

Can some one comment on east coast hardpack edge grip of the 888? Most reviews here are from the west where I find hardpack to be a lot softer than ontario/quebec hardpack... which is usually icepack. I am looking for a tree oriented ski, but often tree areas have a lot of ice. It's kind of a hard compromise. Most skis that grip well on ice in tree runs are quite stiff and require quite a bit of work, especially at my 150LBS. Still I prefer a ski a grips even if it requires a lot of work. Not sure if this ski would suit me or would it wash out on east coast conditions?

post #39 of 40
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Can some one comment on east coast hardpack edge grip of the 888? Most reviews here are from the west where I find hardpack to be a lot softer than ontario/quebec hardpack... which is usually icepack. I am looking for a tree oriented ski, but often tree areas have a lot of ice. It's kind of a hard compromise. Most skis that grip well on ice in tree runs are quite stiff and require quite a bit of work, especially at my 150LBS. Still I prefer a ski a grips even if it requires a lot of work. Not sure if this ski would suit me or would it wash out on east coast conditions?

 

I like the grip of the 888. 

and for trees, it has the right type, with limited shape. 

 

at the demo, I tracked down some totally wind scoured, scraped out snow, almost E coast snow to test all the skis on, and hte 888 was in there w/ the best for me. best hold for me that day was rossi e88 and nordi hell and back, but they also had the best tunes of the crop.

 

so much of it is the tune imo. put a great tune on a solid 80something ski, and it will hold for creating that tree skiing type hard snow "platform". not SL carved turns on a world cup ice rink, but good confidence in a drift to edge set.

 

cheers,

Holiday

post #40 of 40
Yea, I always wondered what's up with some skis. For some reason my used and abused K2 PEs won't hold an edge even if I hammered it in. My 112 wailers on the other hand always stick where I want them to. Weird. The PEs just fail to deliver for how much work they require in trees. Both are tuned by me in similar way.

Remember EC ice rivals WC soft rock. maybe the WC guys should review their skis on rock to make the review relevant smile.gif

The 888 are very tempting ($), but I think I should wait for the metal bushwacker. Blizzard always delivers.
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