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post #1 of 13
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Im heading up to snowbird tommorow and just put chains on my sonata hybrid rental.  Question is, are chins going to be enough or is 4x4 better than 2wd with chains

post #2 of 13

Traction is what is important.  A front wheel drive with winter tires is way way better then a 4x4 with summer tires. 

 

Grip does 3 things: helps you acclerate..steer....and brake.  All cars have brakes on all 4 wheels, so no advantage with breaking in a 4x4...front wheels steer the same, so again no advantage...only advatage then for 4x4 is acclerating...but again, that is mostly grip of tires.  Front wheel drive, is better then rear wheel as the motor places the weight over the wheels...4x4 is really nothing more then a front wheel drive.

 

 

With chains you will have tons of grip...but if you have never driven with chains, I hope you are not going too far...not a comfortable ride!

post #3 of 13

hummm, how bad is the snow/ice.   I still will claim my 89 Nissan King Cab with 2 ... well, one wheel drive never failed me with cables ... I would drive midwest ice/snow with no issues over 30-40mile one ways ...never an issue, but slowly and without the "I can do anything" attitude.

 

much depends on tires as today, the fine midwest had a nice icestorm - 1/8-1/4 inch ice, having upgraded to a Silverado with 4wd, but one that is out on the fritz (I was litterally dropping it off at the dealership today, 30 miles out) but with new 200 miles on em, Firestone Destination LE2's, well, I was really really impressed given the default mode was 2 wheel drive.

 

I'll agree with skidude 72, if you have good winter or winter performance tires, then the 4wd should do well in most anything, but I 've never had any issue with 1wheel drive and cables (chains) if one is ok with taking it easy ... well, don't be dumb and presume you can do anything with 4wd ...

post #4 of 13

4wd with snow tires is ideal

 

chains are a pain in the butt, and the road conditions often vary considerably, so you may find yourself driving on a mix of snow/pavement with chains, or depending on where you are, you can go in and out of chain control areas.plus with chains it's 25mph max.

 

i've driven an AWD car w/snow tires in ridiculous conditions up mountain switchbacks (to big bear and mt baldy in CA) and on crazy steep back streets in mammoth, and never had any issues.  chains may do as well, but they're a hassle

post #5 of 13

Go out and take them off. The drive to the canyon will be miserable with chains. Max speed 20 to  30 mph.

 

If the chain lights are flashing as hit the uphill section then fit them.

 

But check them after 1/2 mile and retighten if required, mine ALWAYS can be tightened.

 

Why not park and ride? Let the bus take the strain.

post #6 of 13

I just drove to work in Salt Lake.   The surface streets are still pretty snowy.  You might actually need the chains to get to  the mouth of LCC.

 

The road up the canyon will be in pretty good shape by now.

 

If you are comfortable driving with chains and are sure they will stay on, have at it. 

 

Just don't be "that guy" who slides off the road and holds up the powder-crazed hoard.

post #7 of 13

From my experience the worst vehicle/tires in the world with chains are better than a 4wd.  Sounds like you only have to go about 10 or 15 miles and roads are mostly snow covered, then go with chains and go with confidence.

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Traction is what is important.  A front wheel drive with winter tires is way way better then a 4x4 with summer tires. 

 

Grip does 3 things: helps you acclerate..steer....and brake.  All cars have brakes on all 4 wheels, so no advantage with breaking in a 4x4...front wheels steer the same, so again no advantage...only advatage then for 4x4 is acclerating...but again, that is mostly grip of tires.  Front wheel drive, is better then rear wheel as the motor places the weight over the wheels...4x4 is really nothing more then a front wheel drive.

 

 

With chains you will have tons of grip...but if you have never driven with chains, I hope you are not going too far...not a comfortable ride!


4X4 does steer better than 2X4. Power/Traction to the steer axle. 4X4 is much more than front wheel drive.

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Traction is what is important.  A front wheel drive with winter tires is way way better then a 4x4 with summer tires. 

 

Grip does 3 things: helps you acclerate..steer....and brake.  All cars have brakes on all 4 wheels, so no advantage with breaking in a 4x4...front wheels steer the same, so again no advantage...only advatage then for 4x4 is acclerating...but again, that is mostly grip of tires.  Front wheel drive, is better then rear wheel as the motor places the weight over the wheels...4x4 is really nothing more then a front wheel drive.

 

 

With chains you will have tons of grip...but if you have never driven with chains, I hope you are not going too far...not a comfortable ride!

You're missing the most important thing that grip does, which is prevent you from slipping, particularly on hills, turns and curves. Start slipping and spinning tires in an FWD and you're stuck. Start slipping and spinning in a 4WD, put it in 4WD mode (or whatever fancy setting your newer 4WD has) and drive out. I've done it both ways and having power routed through four wheels is always better than two.

post #10 of 13

DEPENDS ON THE TIRES ON EACH....  With identical tires, 4x4 gets the nod for the deep stuff or steep ice.  But honestly if your sticking to the main roads then a FWD should be fine so long as the plows are running.    just don't go cruising down a side road with a foot of snow on it, or ram into a parking spot with a few feet of snow on it. :) 

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

You're missing the most important thing that grip does, which is prevent you from slipping, particularly on hills, turns and curves. Start slipping and spinning tires in an FWD and you're stuck. Start slipping and spinning in a 4WD, put it in 4WD mode (or whatever fancy setting your newer 4WD has) and drive out. I've done it both ways and having power routed through four wheels is always better than two.

 

Depends.  If you're 'stuck' or 'slipping' it's less likely that all four tires will be slipping at once, so 4WD/AWD can sometimes help you hold traction or be able to move significantly better than FWD.

 

If all your tires are in something snowy/icy, chains or snow tires will help a LOT more than AWD.

 

Snow tires (and chains to some extent) also make an enormous difference in stopping on snow/ice, which AWD does nothing to help with.  (ABS will help you stop as quickly as your tires will allow, but doesn't improve your maximum braking performance.)

 

I always try to rent a 4WD/AWD with snow tires if I can...

post #12 of 13

If I might add........when in doubt throw the Iron. Being stuck and then chaining up can be a tedious chore not to mention a dangerous situation.  Chain the rear axle unless your FWD. Carry a Winter kit of gloves,ect. Oh and  one more thing. Pull your head out of your ..... and turn your headlights on!

post #13 of 13

I have a 2WD truck and I've been using low profile chains this year that work awesome.  As long as I don't goose the throttle they climb up everything I've attempted so far.  I think the only thing that would defeat them would be deep snow on dirt.

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